Bullants as bad as the Blues

[Dude Lebowski]

It's hardly suprising that they got thrashed. The VFL finals are the closest in intensity & pressure that the players would experience outside a regular AFL season match.

So it isn't any wonder that the same bunch of duds that can't perform in the senior side, melt like ice cream when subjected to any real pressure.

 

[Bluebear]

Since when is it YOUR role to decide what someone does with his money. How much are you putting in?

Agree with the first part of your post though. The 12/10 rule precluded us from playing all of them. The same last year too. In H & A we load up full of Carlton players, which is ok because everyone gets a run at the next level, but it really affects us come finals. The young one's have been great in the 'Ants under Mitchell and in hindsight (a wonderful thing) it may have been a better idea to play them and give them experience.

I pay my membership and buy match day raffles tickets.....as much as I can afford basically. So F cuk you for asking!

Secondly, I'm not the one agitating through the media, waving my money around whigning about how S#$t things are at my old club.
The point of this statement was to highlight the fact that he could serve the best interests of the club in many ways if he wants to put his money in:

• help develope facilities
• hire specialist fitness staff/sports pyschs etc if the club so desired
• sponsor the club (gee, how novel)

- sadly though, the only way he wants to wave his money around in a political way, via media headlines, and make a big name for himself.

 

[BlueWorld]

Well well well, what a surprise, the bullants absolutely smashed. Totally humiliated out of the guts, not a whimper given and who has played in the guts all year you betcha JESSE SMITH yes that is right, when it is not broken no need to fix it. No doubt mitcell seen the errors of his way early today but by then it is bye bye premiership. He needed to get the balance right today, he knew that he was thin with true onballers but no, he went with all his mates today and it backfired on him.Oh and yes blacky got plenty of the ball but all cheap possys when the game is over. This was a golden opportunity for the bullants to be successfull, but they blew it at the selection table last week by dropping the kids that got them there in the first place, the smiths jacksons bowers and so on, replaced them with longy prenda setanta and persisted with jam tart chambers.There is no place in finals for sentiment, and today mitchell became the latest victim to fall for that analogy. 17 wins on the back of these kids and then see ya later we dont need you any more, yeah right.

Rewriting history there. The bullants won so many matches because of the senior players not the kids.

http://bullants.footballvic.com.au/_content/document/00048838-src.html

Check the last column and see how many times smiths jacksons bowers and so on made the best players compared to Harford, Sporn, Teague, Prendergast.

 

[drusswaylander]

Totally disagree that the Bullants are as bad as the Blues They had a great season with a number of young players showing great signs. The problem was we didn't play them in the finals. What were they thinking even with the 12/10 rule they chose to play the wrong Carlton players. The only good thing to come from it will be that a number will now be delisted as they have shown that they are not up to it. It's a shame that a number of great performances during the year will be forgotten because of a poor finals campaign. Playing an unfit Longmuir...walks away shaking his head

 

[Jimthegreat]

I pay my membership and buy match day raffles tickets.....as much as I can afford basically. So F cuk you for asking!

Secondly, I'm not the one agitating through the media, waving my money around whigning about how S#$t things are at my old club.
The point of this statement was to highlight the fact that he could serve the best interests of the club in many ways if he wants to put his money in:

• help develope facilities
• hire specialist fitness staff/sports pyschs etc if the club so desired
• sponsor the club (gee, how novel)

- sadly though, the only way he wants to wave his money around in a political way, via media headlines, and make a big name for himself.

It's still his money and he can spend it anyway he wants. So who the f@ck are you to tell someone where to spend their dough. No one tells you how to spend yours. As much as it's good of you to buy your memebership and raffle tickets, and I'll never knock that as it's probably the best you can do, it doesn't quiet add up to 600 grand.

 

[mike ockerts]

Rewriting history there. The bullants won so many matches because of the senior players not the kids.

http://bullants.footballvic.com.au/_content/document/00048838-src.html

Check the last column and see how many times smiths jacksons bowers and so on made the best players compared to Harford, Sporn, Teague, Prendergast.

i see what your trying to say here.

but we needed real go getters today, not lathargic hacks

P.S. today just topped off carltons last fort-night and year

 

[Jimthegreat]

Rewriting history there. The bullants won so many matches because of the senior players not the kids.

http://bullants.footballvic.com.au/_content/document/00048838-src.html

Check the last column and see how many times smiths jacksons bowers and so on made the best players compared to Harford, Sporn, Teague, Prendergast.

Not saying we shouild've left out every "senior" type player. Certainly some seniors earned a spot and should've played but the youngsters have done very well, especially during the first part of the season before they ended up playing much of the second half in the senior Carlton team. It's about having the gonads to select them. Unfortunately, with the 12/10 rule, we get caught out. As I said though, during the season it gives everyone a crack at VFL level, we just pay at finals time. Okay though as I look at the 'Ants in more development terms, although I'd like to have seen something alot better today.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Well, constuctive rantings, and soft excuses hasn't helped move us up the ladder one iota.

When they do in fact start moving up the ladder, expect a more 'politically correct' type of supporting to emerge.

But back-to-back spoons and a pathetic fade-out in the Magoo's Finals, doesn't hold much short-term hope for this supporter, unless SMART and SHREWD use of the draft happens over the next few months.

Bloody Pagan went on last year about how 'look what Richmond did after being bottom'..maybe Pagan should note what a difference a new coach made as well..

Don't try and talk sense now. Let's revisit the opening post shall we?

LIVO - crap. Possibly the worst defender of all-time.

At the time you posted, had given up one goal. Context is everything. Worst defender of all time? I will bet any money you can possibly name that this is not the case. Simple angry overstatement as I indicated.

TEAGUE - crap, needs another punch in the head.

One of our players needs a punch in the head? Yup, that is bound to help us head up the ladder. What are you smoking here?

DE LUCA - worse than crap, the worst tall I've ever seen.

You maybe, but I've seen worse. Chambers at Sydney springs to mind instantly.

PRENDA - laughing stock. Still kicks with his knee.

****, really? I saw a couple come off his boot in the few minutes I watched just now.

BANNISTER - Sheedy really humoured us with this dud.

Sheedy did nothing. He was delisted and we drafted him. Sheedy got nothing for him.

CHAMBERS - absolute and utter rubbish

Not up to it certainly but I am sensing a theme in all these comments. Oh that's right, you've taken angry pills and not making much sense.

SPORN - feh. Useless

Comments get shorter as his anger starts to fade.

McLAREN - what a poonce.

Can barely be bothered expanding now I guess? Oh yeah, some sort of homosexual jibe will suffice. Very useful, should be heading up the ladder any day now.

SENTANTA - wanna hear an Irish joke?

Totally ignoring the progress he has made this year and how much effort goes into his game.

Nice one. How could I ever doubt such a compelling argument.

My original opinion applies ..... FOR GOD'S SAKE, STOP HELPING US!

 

[drusswaylander]

We needed more of a blend unfortunately. We needed more of the younger Carlton blokes to infuse the older blokes with more enthusiasm. Instead of with the 50/50 selection decisions going for the older bloke as they seemed to do, we should have gone for the younger guy. Most of the senior guys deserved their spots, but many were playing for their Carlton futures rather than the team and it showed. There were four or five spots that could have gone to young runners rather than the way we went. The previous posters are criticising the wrong Carlton list players. Sporn, Prendergast, Teague and Livo have had great years in the Bullants and deserved their spots, but can you say that about all the senior Carlton listed players who made the team

 

[kickgoals]

Do not be fooled by mitchells list of best players, he has a bit of fun with some of his selections Not many of the young guys seem to get a mention.Blacky had 33possys one week no mention and smith jacko and so on all had great years but in the best players list ? It is just the way mitchell goes about his coaching, has a bit of fun just to get a reaction. Do not worry mitchell knows he stuffed up today, but he will wear that, its just the way he is, no stress and has fun. Best players list is just a bit of fun for him and he usually rewards for effort, so before you look up best player lists look up player statistics, it will give you a much better guide to whom plays well week in week out.

 

[blues4flag]

SENTANTA - wanna hear an Irish joke?

Idiot. Have you actually watched the Blues / Ants lately? Against Sydney, was easily in Carlton's best 2 or 3, best on ground last week, made a few errors today. Gave away one goal fine, the second however, it wasn't his fault that Prenda can't mark. He trys as hard as anyone on the list and has made HUGE advancements. Its what, his 27th (including preseason) game of the year in his third year of footy, good on him to be playing for the Ants and giving much more than what other AFL listed did today.

 

[pumped]

Disagree on Setanta. He was far from being disgraced. We have a future star here without doubt. Russell was also very good. The reason we lost was because out selectors felt obliged to play players who will finish up this year i.e Sporn, Livo, Teague, Deluca, Chambers etc. Our best team would have included Bower, Jackson, Edwards and Bryan.

Agree with you there parrot. Bower and Bryan would have made a great difference. Overall the passion was lacking in the side. Setanta was ok and Blackwell and Russell showed a bit of heart at least.

 

[Blues_Man]

The thread author is nothing more than a troll , and should be treated as such .

as for the Carlton listed players playing today :
Prenda ..gone just not good enough
Livo ...gone ..just not up to it (what a waste)
Chambers ...gone ..very very ordinary player
Deluca ...I thought he needed more time ..but i think it's time for him to go
M'claren ...sadly we need to keep him
Russell ...looked very soft and hesitant...question mark over him making it
Sporn ...gone ..very very ordinary
Teague ...gone ..too slow
Blackwell ..showed a lot when others were doing nothing
Setanta ...Gonna be a very very good player in time

 

[drusswaylander]

I agree Livo was a waste of talent Bluesman, but the poor bloke was stuffed up by injury and has never been able to show why we recruited him. He comes across as quality bloke who could have been a great player for us, but it is hard to play football if you are in pain all the time

 

[bluey blue]

Of that list, I would add Longmuir, absolutely hopeless. Setanta is the only one with a future at Carlton. Russell, too timid, I don't think will make it at the higher level, as he is struggling to make it at VFL. In the Bullants V Sandy game at the moment, commentator on Ch 2, Phil Cleary, a Carlton supporter, is disgusted with most of the names mentioned by Slomo. None of them can get a kick. Mitchell, in his 1/4 time address "spat the dummy". He said he picked a "Mature" side because of their experience, and they were letting him down. He could have put some younger ones in. It appeared Sandy are just brushing us aside, and the Bullies are just not prepared to hurt themselves, and do the hard things. Pathetic performance. Get rid of all the bloody no hopers mentioned and choose carefully in this upcoming draft.

Mitchell has lost the support of the playing group because of his stupid coup on Pagan ... so its obviously by by mr mitchell

 

[kickgoals]

How lucky for all the players that you say will be delisted, to no longer have to say that they are associated to the carlton football club. A total laughing stock, good luck to those players lucky enough to fit into this category. Not to have to put up with all the **** that you posters throw at them. Feel good about yourselves you pathetic bunch of tossers.

 

[Smell The Glove]

How lucky for all the players that you say will be delisted, to no longer have to say that they are associated to the carlton football club. A total laughing stock, good luck to those players lucky enough to fit into this category. Not to have to put up with all the **** that you posters throw at them. Feel good about yourselves you pathetic bunch of tossers.

Mate, p1ss off.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Mitchell has lost the support of the playing group because of his stupid coup on Pagan ... so its obviously by by mr mitchell

Think again!

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/16/1158334736467.html

 

[drusswaylander]

How lucky for all the players that you say will be delisted, to no longer have to say that they are associated to the carlton football club. A total laughing stock, good luck to those players lucky enough to fit into this category. Not to have to put up with all the **** that you posters throw at them. Feel good about yourselves you pathetic bunch of tossers.

Thats a bit harsh on all but a couple of posters mate No-one is saying that these guys are bad people, it is just that some of them just aren't up to playing AFL football. Somehow I doubt that many will be glad to leave Carlton, as that would mean that their AFL dream would be over as they are unlikely to be picked up by other clubs, which is why those leaving the club are being delisted.

Frankly True Blues would have been delighted if the players likely to be delisted could have succeeded as most of them are great guys, not to mention the fact that if they could have done well, we as a club would be closer to being a powerhouse again Sadly that is not the case I imagine some of the harsher posters on the Blues board aren't true Blues anyway, but are probably Pies with multiple accounts posting under false names

 

[Bluebear]

Think again!

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/16/1158334736467.html

I've just about had enough of you.
Fine, you might like to post your own opinions, and I may disagree with them. But don't come on this board waving this gutter journalism as if it makes some valid point.

Read the article again JTG, you'll find that the only new bit in the whole lot was about Pagan going to watch the ants...........and she even got the venue wrong (sorry Carro - game was at Teac oval, not Princess Park). The rest of the article just shows that she can read.....and regurgutate others crap. She should be sued for plagiarism!

The only purpose served by printing this rubbish was to try to bring our great club back under the pump......and little gimps like yourself just roll merilly along with it.

Are you still making a case for Mitchel in any capacity - seems to me he has had a great VFL side for two years and can't get them to perform in finals.

 

[[ToTTi]]

Did Hartlett play/do anything?

 

[BlueWorld]

Did Hartlett play/do anything?

No. Very few of the younger players played- Russell, Setanta, Blackwell only.

 

[Kooley]

what a useless piece of crap daniel harford was in the finals. he was too worried about winning the liston trophy than actually getting a kick and performing on the big stage. waste of space.

 

[Corrosion]

What was the final score?

 

[Bluebear]

A draw: Pagan 0, Mitchell 0