Certified Legendary Thread Cam Rayner

[danster168]

I was responding to your claim that Fritsch and Rayner are “as bad as each other”.

This is objectively false.

It's the equivalent of saying who was better between Marco Paparone and Cale Morton. When both are so bad, it's pointless to suggest one is better than the other.

 

[Elixuh]

That makes 0 sense. I guess Daniher didn't kick the match winner against GWS because he's now retired. Interesting logic.

Once a player retired their numbers remain. Moving to another club means their numbers at the old club are irrelevant. I wish it weren’t so, but I don’t make those rules.

 

[Miller1971]

Yeah, the game against Geelong was good, but he owed them a 30 touch, 6 goal game such was his horrific game the week before. He literally was about a -40 point disadvantage against GWS, not only playing like trash, getting nowhere near the ball, but then giving dumb free kick after dumb free kick in clutch moments of the game. Had they lost (which was a 99% probability) it was almost a delisting level sort of performance. He probably is paying Daniher about 500k a year for saving his butt and kicking that goal.

right.

So he lost them the game, but they didn't actually lose and he went on to be a match winner in the PRelim.

I get it!

 

[Cyclops]

if it's kicking goals in granny's, he is the best. p.s. its Fritsch, not Fritsh.

Fritz, sure.

Gordon Coventry kicked 9 in a Granny. So did Ablett. Brereton kicked 8 in a badly beaten side, I was there for the last two.

So likely Frish gets a statue.

 

[danster168]

Once a player retired their numbers remain. Moving to another club means their numbers at the old club are irrelevant. I wish it weren’t so, but I don’t make those rules.

Not your finest few posts Elixuh. Gotta be up their with some of the weirdest ones I've read.

I wonder if the pies fans are happy for giving up a first round pick for Dan Houston who didn't record any stats last season. lol what the actual. You been hanging out with Joel Smith or something?

 

[danster168]

Fritz, sure.

Gordon Coventry kicked 9 in a Granny. So did Ablett. Brereton kicked 8 in a badly beaten side, I was there for the last two.

So likely Frish gets a statue.

lol at how far you had to go back. justifying his statue.

 

[danster168]

right.

So he lost them the game, but they didn't actually lose and he went on to be a match winner in the PRelim.

I get it!

they didn't actually lose. no thanks to Rayner. He was worth about 3 GWS players that game.

Rayner vs GWS:
8 possessions, 6 clangers.

Does 18 touches (6 clangers) and 2 goals make up for it? Probably not.

 

[Elixuh]

Not your finest few posts Elixuh. Gotta be up their with some of the weirdest ones I've read.

I wonder if the pies fans are happy for giving up a first round pick for Dan Houston who didn't record any stats last season. lol what the actual. You been hanging out with Joel Smith or something?

 

[Miller1971]

they didn't actually lose. no thanks to Rayner. He was worth about 3 GWS players that game.

Rayner vs GWS:
8 possessions, 6 clangers.

Does 18 touches (6 clangers) and 2 goals make up for it? Probably not.

my advice for you is to watch football and stop reading champion data.

you might learn something

 

[danster168]

my advice for you is to watch football and stop reading champion data.

you might learn something

lol you're not suggesting he wasn't deplorable against Gws surely!

 

[Miller1971]

lol you're not suggesting he wasn't deplorable against Gws surely!

Don't recall him being particularly good or bad. The entire team was average for 2.5 quarters and then set up a flag with a blistering 45 minutes of footy.

All I know is that he was unbelieveable in the Prelim, and then you throw out rubbish like this:

"Does 18 touches (6 clangers) and 2 goals make up for it? Probably not."

I never looked at his stats after that game, didn't need to look at them to know that he was outstanding. Throwing up stats to try and downgrade what was an incredible Prelim final performance, particularly when the game was on the line and came up clutch just tells me you sit watching the footy looking at live stats, rather than just enjoying the show.

someone might have had 40 touches in that game, but they weren't better than Rayner or Starcevich.

 

[danster168]

Don't recall him being particularly good or bad. The entire team was average for 2.5 quarters and then set up a flag with a blistering 45 minutes of footy.

All I know is that he was unbelieveable in the Prelim, and then you throw out rubbish like this:

"Does 18 touches (6 clangers) and 2 goals make up for it? Probably not."

I never looked at his stats after that game, didn't need to look at them to know that he was outstanding. Throwing up stats to try and downgrade what was an incredible Prelim final performance, particularly when the game was on the line and came up clutch just tells me you sit watching the footy looking at live stats, rather than just enjoying the show.

someone might have had 40 touches in that game, but they weren't better than Rayner or Starcevich.

I honestly didn't read past the first sentence. If you didn't recall him being particularly bad then you were probably watching a different game. It was impossible not to notice.

 

[KissKiss]

Don't recall him being particularly good or bad. The entire team was average for 2.5 quarters and then set up a flag with a blistering 45 minutes of footy.

All I know is that he was unbelieveable in the Prelim, and then you throw out rubbish like this:

"Does 18 touches (6 clangers) and 2 goals make up for it? Probably not."

I never looked at his stats after that game, didn't need to look at them to know that he was outstanding. Throwing up stats to try and downgrade what was an incredible Prelim final performance, particularly when the game was on the line and came up clutch just tells me you sit watching the footy looking at live stats, rather than just enjoying the show.

someone might have had 40 touches in that game, but they weren't better than Rayner or Starcevich.

The bad was giving away 2? stupid free kicks when we had the ball was locked into our forward line late in the game. Himmelberg was putting a hard tag on him (it was a very contested moment but he was solely focused on shutting down Rayner) and was completely in Rayner's head. He wasnt playing well and it wasnt a great moment for a guy who is trying to play as a match winner. Danster is right if we had lost that game a lot of the blame would have gone on him. But we won, he was a matchwinner in the next game and the week after. Winners are grinners

Reality is he had a big step forward across the year (hence AA squad and was a big part of getting us the premiership). He still has some issues in consistency (but then again most guys who play that half forward role suffer the same) but looks like things have really started to click for him.

Next year will be another interesting one in how we change the forward line without Daniher. Is Rayner going to step up more as a key target? or will he focus more on the bursts on the forward flank where he looks so dangerous on the ball?

 

[paulige]

…Even last week when he copped a little bit of criticism for maybe not having the best game, if you watch the tape closely, some of his tackling and his contest work particularly in that last quarter when the game was on the line was absolutely awesome. He’s growing as a player, growing as a leader - he’s really important for us.”

Fagan’s thoughts on Rayner V GWS.

I’ll trust the judgment of the premiership coach who knows what Rayner’s role is.

If Danster thinks he knows better - so be it.

 

[Junction Lion]

Fagan’s thoughts on Rayner V GWS.

I’ll trust the judgment of the premiership coach who knows what Rayner’s role is.

If Danster thinks he knows better - so be it.

Fages and Danster both deserve to be recognised for the year Cam Rayner has had. Premiership and AA squad. Fages for ongoing belief, development and support and Danster for the reverse Mozz. I really thought that Dan would change his tune after Round 5 when Cam destroyed his mob and had 25 possessions while his idol had 5 possessions in that game. Anyway, here we are. Dan is fixed in his ways.

 

[Nunez]

"Sure he was an AA squad calibre player and won us a prelim, BUT REMEMBER HOW BAD HE WAS AGAINST GWS?!?!"
- anonymous

 

[Miller1971]

I honestly didn't read past the first sentence. If you didn't recall him being particularly bad then you were probably watching a different game. It was impossible not to notice.

I don't watch games just to see how bad or good Cam Rayner is going, I don't have that level of obsession where I contribute 5 posts per page in a 200 page thread. Nor do I monitor stats sheets during or after games to form a view that my eyes could have told me from just enjoying the game.

I don't think I would enjoy footy if I consumed it in the fashion you seem to, it would be incredibly frustrating

 

[danster168]

I don't watch games just to see how bad or good Cam Rayner is going, I don't have that level of obsession where I contribute 5 posts per page in a 200 page thread. Nor do I monitor stats sheets during or after games to form a view that my eyes could have told me from just enjoying the game.

I don't think I would enjoy footy if I consumed it in the fashion you seem to, it would be incredibly frustrating

You may as well. It's either that or go for the saints. welcome aboard.