Can Ball say no to Melbourne?

[SaintsSeptember]

Although Greg Denham may have said that due to his clear and obvious biased dislike for Collingwood, it is certainly not the view of either Paul Connors or Luke Ball.

KS - You do not know how Luke Ball feels.
You do not know Luke Ball's views
He does not confide in you.
You cannot presume to know the thoughts of another person if they have not told you, or do you claim to have some psycic ( or psycotic) connection?

 

[saj_21]

If this needs explaining you have a problem perceiving reality.

If you think we needed to purposely lose to the top side...you have problems!

Or start pumping up our tyres and tell everyone how good we are and we just toyed with St, Kilda in round 22...if we wanted to we would of won by 4-5 goals..but decided not to!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If you think we needed to purposely lose to the top side...you have problems!

Or start pumping up our tyres and tell everyone how good we are and we just toyed with St, Kilda in round 22...if we wanted to we would of won by 4-5 goals..but decided not to!

And if you could have beaten StKilda upon whim, and StKilda beat every other team in the AFL. Well you could have been a good shot for the flag

 

[spuzzlord]

i think KissStephanie needs a hug. Getting very worked up about this whole thing!

 

[ChipDouglas]

Bottom line is St Kilda gave Luke Ball away for nothing, that's right nothing, he's not going back, that ship has sailed. As for Collingwood it's hard to miss something you never had.

St Kilda gave Luke Ball away for nothing, his final destination is still unknown. What is known is the Saints will get nothing for him.

 

[Bring-Back-Powell]

Luke Ball will stay at St Kilda.
Lock the thread.

 

[MarkT2]

Well according to Greg Denham (known media buddy for Balls manager) on SEN this morning Collingwood was to blame for the failure of the deal to get done. Denham claimed they never want to give up any players which is why they rarely get deals across the line.

Greg Denham claims that does he? So the players offered were mirages? Collingwood have tried hard to land 2 players in relatively recent times that were actually on the market.

Stevens – offered Scottland and a first round pick. Knocked back Didak and a first round pick. The Collingwood offer was fair and the Port demand was not.

Ball – offered Wellingham or Goldsack and pick(s). Saints asked for Goldsack and the second round pick early in trade week and then knocked it back late in trade week.
Source:http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/saints-star-may-walk-for-nothing/2009/10/09/1255019612835.html


Meanwhile Collingwood, under the current administration, have traded out Mal Michael, Paul Williams and Nick Davis who they rated highly and numerous other players of less note. This trade week they landed their main priority in Jolly.

Collingwood waste everyones time by massively overrating their playing stocks.

Just step back for a second - you were SMASHED by Geelong in finals and comfortably beaten by us twice this year (once by 80pts)......why wouldnt Collingwood have attempted to seriously get Ball?,.......cause EVERYBODY knows they desperately need to add some class to an ordinary midfield......and Leon aint no mid.....

I am the first to admit the Collingwood list is not good enough to win premierships. I have long said we need a ruckman and a quick skilled mid that can get centre clearances. We finally got the first priority. The second was not Luke Ball. It should in fact have been Burgoyne but that’s another issue.[/FONT][/COLOR]Ball would have been handy because he is a hard nut but he is not the answer to anything without more pace and skill in the middle which is not what Ball would bring to the list. Collingwood will now have to bank on Sidebottom, Beams, McCarthy and Wellingham improving the midfield. It isn’t a bad bet if you ask me and that is before we add Pendlebury to the midfield beaten in the 2 finals. The way you carry on you’d think Ball was a top end player in a premiership side. When the flag was there to be one Lyon DID NOT turn to Luke Ball.

All this 'fact' from KS & other posters about Goldsack is pure guess work based on media reports from journo's that were guessing.

That is largely what all the supposed scenarios are based on – including the one you mentioned.

That didn't mean that he would give a top 4 competitor like Collingwood a free leg up and not improve his own side at the same time.

Lyon made a speech for impact, he was called on it and he caved. You can dress it any way you like. Inside the club and how the players look at it is what matters and we don’t yet know the answer to that. Luke Ball’s decision, when he makes it, will also be telling.

And Tyson Goldsack is not the player that Ross Lyon decided would do this... if he was ever offered that is.

If he asked for Goldsack as reported then this is just wrong. If he didn’t then I still fail to see how he was being reasonable asking for Brown and Collingwood unreasonable declining.


Still no one has been able to answer the simple question. What was the right price for Luke Ball?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Greg Denham claims that does he? So the players offered were mirages? Collingwood have tried hard to land 2 players in relatively recent times that were actually on the market.

Stevens – offered Scottland and a first round pick. Knocked back Didak and a first round pick. The Collingwood offer was fair and the Port demand was not.

Ball – offered Wellingham or Goldsack and pick(s). Saints asked for Goldsack and the second round pick early in trade week and then knocked it back late in trade week.
Source:http://www.theage.com.au/news/rfnews/saints-star-may-walk-for-nothing/2009/10/09/1255019612835.html


Meanwhile Collingwood, under the current administration, have traded out Mal Michael, Paul Williams and Nick Davis who they rated highly and numerous other players of less note. This trade week they landed their main priority in Jolly.
I am the first to admit the Collingwood list is not good enough to win premierships. I have long said we need a ruckman and a quick skilled mid that can get centre clearances. We finally got the first priority. The second was not Luke Ball. It should in fact have been Burgoyne but that’s another issue.[/font][/color]Ball would have been handy because he is a hard nut but he is not the answer to anything without more pace and skill in the middle which is not what Ball would bring to the list. Collingwood will now have to bank on Sidebottom, Beams, McCarthy and Wellingham improving the midfield. It isn’t a bad bet if you ask me and that is before we add Pendlebury to the midfield beaten in the 2 finals. The way you carry on you’d think Ball was a top end player in a premiership side. When the flag was there to be one Lyon DID NOT turn to Luke Ball.


That is largely what all the supposed scenarios are based on – including the one you mentioned. Lyon made a speech for impact, he was called on it and he caved. You can dress it any way you like. Inside the club and how the players look at it is what matters and we don’t yet know the answer to that. Luke Ball’s decision, when he makes it, will also be telling.If he asked for Goldsack as reported then this is just wrong. If he didn’t then I still fail to see how he was being reasonable asking for Brown and Collingwood unreasonable declining.


Still no one has been able to answer the simple question. What was the right price for Luke Ball?

Simple answer. Draft Pick 22, or other means allowing the Saints to get Andeas Everett.

That would have got the deal done.

 

[Bollox]

Yeah in the absence of any news you'd think he'd likely stay at the aints. Media tend to exaggerate club problems but if it isnt just a minor contract tiff the Dees must be obvious favorites...thats about all we can say at this pt. Highly unlikely the pies can get him now...they threw away their chance if they wanted him.

Still cant figure out why pies fans are still banging away hoping other people think it wasnt their own doing they didnt get him. As time goes on they seem to be inventing new players and pix that were supposedly offered up but its all just excuses in reality. They simply didnt want him enough to trade something the aints were interested in or approaching reasonable.

There's still that overrating thing going on but thats normal...even pick 22-30 is pretty useless to the aints right now (unless it could have been immediately transformed to a player they wanted) and pies fans are only guessing it was Goldsack/Wellingham anyway...just as possible neither were offered coz the media just guessed at it and people reacted to that.

Cant say i would have accepted either Goldsack or Wellingham either...they'll just rate all their guys as future megastars...cpl of yrs ago their fans would've asked for pick 3 for Marty Clarke.

Pity they wasted the chance to get a well priced 25yo inside mid to go with the tap ruckman.

 

[KissStephanie]

St Kilda really didn't want Ball to go to Collingwood if it was not "performance neutral".

Which is hypocritical to me. St.Kilda seemed quite happy to receive Andrew Lovett for pick #16 from Essendon, and Brett Peake for pick #60 from Fremantle. I believe that Tyson Goldsack and pick #30, which is the exact deal that St.Kilda initially requested, is not worse than either of those two deals.

The difference is that in the other two deals is they were receiving players, while in this case, they were giving a player away. It seems to me that St.Kilda were prepared to receive players, but they had no intention of giving players away, even if it's an uncontracted and unwanted player that "is not up for the challenge and wants to move on."

That is, St Kilda desperately did not want to contribute to Collingwood, who were reasonably close to St Kilda this year, getting closer to St Kilda next year. That is why St Kilda would be happier with letting Ball go to Melbourne for nothing, than to Collingwood for what was offered.

Melbourne is not the club he wants to play for though, and it's a dreadful way to treat a former respected captain and best and fairest winner. Ross Lyon said on Grand Final night that if any player that is not up for the challenge, then will be moved on, but to let him enter the national draft is not moving him on at all.

I don't think Luke Ball wants to play for a team that Ross Lyon is pushing him to understandably. If this decision was because St.Kilda were afraid of Collingwood becoming a better team, then it's definitely time for free agency because that is not a justifiable reason not to trade with another team! St.Kilda treated Ball like shit, and it seems to me that they deliberately stuffed this trade up.

Personally, I would have been very interested in the Goldsack offer as I rate him and he could enable St Kilda to either transition from Jason Blake (who will be 29 next year), or move Brendan Goddard forward. But that didn't happen. Neither did any move including Nathan Brown.

I think Goldsack would have been a great pick up for St.Kilda as well. He is quick, and he can play on tall and small players, and he is tough. There is no way in my opinion that St.Kilda would have lost in a deal involving him along with pick #30. Nathan Brown though was not going to be involved in this deal. His type is too hard to find now with the new clubs entering the AFL in the next few years.

Collingwood made some offers, none of which St Kilda found acceptable at the time.

That's because St.Kilda flip-flopped and changed their mind.

St Kilda made counter offers, which Collingwood found unacceptable.

That's because they were. Only Collingwood were trying to find a happy medium, while St.Kilda were trying to be greedy because they didn't want to let Ball go to Collingwood, and they seemed happy to treat him like shit. There should have been AFL mediation.

I'd like why this statement is hypocritical explained to me.

I didn't say it was a hypocritical statement. I do believe that Ross Lyon is a hypocrite though.

I also would have made this deal, for much the same reasons you state. But ultimately it was our/Collingwoods call to make that deal, and they didn't.

It wasn't Collingwood's call. It was Collingwood's offer for goodness sake! St.Kilda initially requested such a trade, but then they rejected it!

Well, it's not. Move on doesn't mean free to a good home. That signature says much more about KissStephanie than Ross Lyon, and IMO not to her good.

I didn't say that Ross Lyon's lie from Grand Final night was hypocritical! I also didn't say quite obviously that Luke Ball should go free to a new home, but it seems that St.Kilda are happy for that to happen. That signature is simply accurate, so therefore it says nothing about me.

I am the first to admit the Collingwood list is not good enough to win premierships.

I disagree, and I believe Collingwood is a lot closer than you think. It seems that St.Kilda feels the same way about that. Such a young team that reached a Preliminary Final should realistically be thinking that the possibility of a premiership is quite close because it's fair to assume that there is further improvement to come. Particularly so as the Collingwood VFL team also reached a Preliminary Final, so the depth is quite strong.

KS - You do not know how Luke Ball feels. You do not know Luke Ball's views He does not confide in you. You cannot presume to know the thoughts of another person if they have not told you, or do you claim to have some psycic ( or psycotic) connection?

Hold on a tic there sunshine. Firstly, how do you know who has and hasn't confided in me? Secondly, I have not once said at any time that I know any of that! Please don't mis-quote me or twist my words. I feel confident about it though, and I trust the source that I mentioned in an earlier post regarding the matter.

I believe that he does not want to play for Melbourne, and there is no chance of playing for St.Kilda again. I feel quite confident that his preferred club is still Collingwood, and he can still get there because draft rules allow that to happen, providing both Luke Ball and Collingwood want it to happen.

Simple answer. Draft Pick 22, or other means allowing the Saints to get Andeas Everett. That would have got the deal done.

Which is an unreasonable request! To request Tyson Goldsack and pick #30, and then for Collingwood to spend time persuading Goldsack to join St.Kilda, and then to flip-flop and request a required player from a different club on the final day of trade was ridiculous! It couldn't be done of course and St.Kilda were incompetent ameteurs regarding this trade.

North Melbourne would have traded pick #25 to Collingwood for Sharrod Wellingham and pick #30, even though it was a bad deal, and Collingwood were prepared to do that, but St.Kilda were not interested in pick #25! The Western Bulldogs would have reluctantly traded Andrejs Everitt for pick #21 only, so pick #22 from West Coast wouldn't have got Everitt anyway! St.Kilda were rigid and were nitpicking over three spots in the draft for nothing then.
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"If anyone's not up for the challenge, they can walk in and tell me and I'll move them on." - flip-flopping hypocrite Ross Lyon lie - 27th September, 2009.

 

[St DAC]

Ross Lyon said on Grand Final night that if any player that is not up for the challenge, then will be moved on, but to let him enter the national draft is not moving him on at all.

Yes it is. Perhaps not in the optimal manner (for the player) but moving on it certainly is. Not that Luke has nominated for either ND or PSD yet. He still may not.

I didn't say that Ross Lyon's lie from Grand Final night was hypocritical! I also didn't say quite obviously that Luke Ball should go free to a new home, but it seems that St.Kilda are happy for that to happen. That signature is simply accurate, so therefore it says nothing about me.

You call him a liar. You call him a hypocrite. You quote numerous newspaper articles as if the were gospel truth, rather than a reporters' estimation of what went on based on their sources, none of which are either quoted or named. You call him those things in a most prominent font, to draw attention to it with your every post.

I reckon that says a fair bit about you. It says to me you are a lying show pony. You have no evidence of your claims, just opinions, which you sprout as if they were fact. You repeatedly post the same gibberish, as though repetition attests to and increases the truth of your drivel.

If I were a show pony like you I'd make up a really big font signature about you. But I don't need to. Your every utterance shows you up for the lying troll you are.

 

[demons64]

Realistically, Ball could tell Melbourne before the draft that he doesn't want to play for them and would appreciate if they didn't select him.

The likelihood is that they then wouldn't pick him. Probable but not definite.


And as for those pleading for free agency I tell you all to shut up. We are the only major sport left in the world with any semblance of loyalty.

You're all angling for free agency so your team gets the good players and so you get enjoyment in the off season but how happy will you be when there is no loyalty left in the game at all and players move around from club to club at the drop of a hat and very regularly? It will kill one of the best parts of our sport.

Well said!!

 

[KissStephanie]

Yes it is.

No it's not. There is no amount of spin that could possibly make me swallow that. Luke Ball has to lodge the nomination himself for either the national or pre-season draft. St.Kilda doesn't do it for him, and nor do they have any control over whether he does it or not.

Perhaps not in the optimal manner (for the player) but moving on it certainly is.

There is no way that preventing a player from moving on so that he decides to enter the draft is moving a player on.

Not that Luke has nominated for either ND or PSD yet. He still may not.

I don't believe he will play for St.Kilda again. That relationship is over. However, let's just say he does stay at St.Kilda, so in other words, if an uncontracted player is not up for the challenge and he wants to move on, then St.Kilda instead tries to force this player to stay by not allowing him to move to another club, even though that other club (Collingwood) offered exactly the trade deal that St.Kilda initially requested. Is that what you're trying to say?

You call him a liar. You call him a hypocrite.

That's right, and I fully stand-by that. There has been nothing that I have seen or heard that has made me doubt my opinion.

You quote numerous newspaper articles

Yes I have, and I have absolutely no doubt that St.Kilda initially requested Tyson Goldsack and pick #30, and then they flip-flopped on that a few days later. If you can show a source that states that is not the case, then please share it.

as if the were gospel truth

I don't believe that the gospel is true. Much of it is made up of Christian fairy tales. I have never stated otherwise either.

rather than a reporters' estimation of what went on based on their sources, none of which are either quoted or named.

What exactly are you on about? The articles that I have included in my posts that support that St.Kilda initially requested Tyson Goldsack and pick #30 before they flip-flopped were written by reporters, and I definitely did include their names because the links to these articles are included in my posts.

You call him those things in a most prominent font, to draw attention to it with your every post.

It's an opinion that I feel very strongly about, and I have no doubt that it is accurate.

I reckon that says a fair bit about you. It says to me you are a lying show pony.

Ha ha ha! Good one! Somehow I get the feeling that you're a little bothered by my opinion of Ross Lyon. I feel that it is an accurate opinion though, and I feel quite strongly about it. However, if you can show me a time that I have lied, then please share it. If you can't, then I assume that you are simply projecting the view that you have of yourself. If you can show an example of what makes you feel that I'm a show pony, then please share it. I don't think you will though.

You have no evidence of your claims, just opinions, which you sprout as if they were fact.

Oh for goodness sake! I have included sources to back up my opinion. If you refuse to not accept the truth, then pull your head out of [strike]your arse[/strike] the sand! I have yet to see one single source that shows that St.Kilda were never interested in Tyson Goldsack and pick #30. Do you feel also feel that Ross Lyon did not in fact state on Grand Final night that he will move players on if they are not up for the challenge?

You repeatedly post the same gibberish, as though repetition attests to and increases the truth of your drivel.

Firstly, which is the gibberish that you speak of? What exactly are you claiming of what I have said is not true? If you are not interested in what I write, then you don't have to read it. You certainly don't have to respond to it. Why on earth are you doing it then if you feel this way?

If I were a show pony like you I'd make up a really big font signature about you.

iHa ha ha! It seems as though the facts I have presented has struck a nerve with you, so you choose to get personal in response because you have nothing at all to add regarding the topic. It seems that at least you are very good at spinning, and to link a signature to being a show pony is certainly some unrealistic stretch on your part.

But I don't need to.

You don't need to do what? Make a strong signature about me? What on earth are you on about? My signature is absolutely accurate, but I certainly have no intention of personally attacking another poster as you have chosen to do. It's clear that is your choice because you simply cannot handle the truth, and that is weak.

Your every utterance shows you up for the lying troll you are.

Every utterance? Not once have I seen anything that disputes anything that I have said. I completely stand-by my opinion and the sources that I have included. If you're in denial, then that is your choice. If you're going to call me a liar, then at least provide an example of which you have failed to do. Therefore I believe that you are projecting the view that you have of yourself.

Finally, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, personal, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, and I certainly have not done any of that. I am interested in the topic, and I do not abuse or attack other members. You on the other hand, has not added to the topic in this post at all. You have personally attacked another member as well. That would in fact make you a hypocrite and a troll by accurate definition.
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"If anyone's not up for the challenge, they can walk in and tell me and I'll move them on." - flip-flopping hypocrite Ross Lyon lie - 27th September, 2009.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Which is hypocritical to me. St.Kilda seemed quite happy to receive Andrew Lovett for pick #16 from Essendon, and Brett Peake for pick #60 from Fremantle. blah blah blah

Not hypocritical. Saints management seek to advantage their team to win finals - DUh

The difference is that in the other two deals is they were receiving players, while in this case, they were giving a player away. It seems to me that St.Kilda were prepared to receive players, but they had no intention of giving players away, even if it's an uncontracted and unwanted player that "is not up for the challenge and wants to move on."Melbourne is not the club he wants to play for though, and it's a dreadful way to treat a former rblah blah blah
You don't know why Luke wants to move on.


I don't think Luke Ball wants to play for a team that Ross Lyon is pushing him to understandably. If this decision was because St.Kilda were afraid of Collingwood becoming a better team, then it's definitely time for free agency because that is not a justifiable reason not to trade with another team! St.Kilda treated Ball like shit, and it seems to me that they deliberately stuffed this trade up.I think Goldsack would have been a great pick up for St.Kilda as well. He is quick, and he can play on tall and small players, and he is tough. There is no way in my opinion that St.Kilda would have lost in a deal involving him along with pick #30. Nathan Brown though was not going to be involved in this deal. His type is too hard to find now with the new clubs entering the AFL in the next few years.That's because St.Kilda flip-flopped and changed their mind.That's because they were. Only Collingwood were trying to find a happy medium, while St.Kilda were trying to be greedy because they didn't want to let Ball go to Collingwood, and they seemed happy to treat him like shit. There should have been AFL mediation.I didn't say it was a hypocritical statement. I do believe that Ross Lyon is a hypocrite though

HA HA I bet ROSS CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT BECAUSE KS BELIEVES HE IS A HYPOCRITE. NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU BELIEVE UNLESS IT INVOLVES SACRIFICING CHILDREN OR ANIMALS.

.It wasn't Collingwood's call. It was Collingwood's offer for goodness sake! St.Kilda initially requested such a trade, but then they rejected it!I didn't say that Ross Lyon's lie from Grand Final night was hypocritical! I also didn't say quite obviously that Luke Ball should go free to a new home, but it seems that St.Kilda are happy for that to happen. That signature is simply accurate, so therefore it says nothing about me.I disagree, and I believe Collingwood is a lot closer than you think. It seems that St.Kilda feels the same way about that. Such a young team that reached a Preliminary Final should realistically be thinking that the possibility of a premiership is quite close because it's fair to assume that there is further improvement to come. Particularly so as the Collingwood VFL team also reached a Preliminary Final, so the depth is quite strong.Hold on a tic there sunshine.

Firstly, how do you know who has and hasn't confided in me? Secondly, I have not once said at any time that I know any of that! Please don't mis-quote me or twist my words. I feel confident about it though, and I trust the source that I mentioned in an earlier post regarding the matter. I FEEL INCREDIBLY CONFIDENT THAT LUKE BALL HAS NOT CONFIDED IN YOU. MAYBE I WILL TAKE A LEIF OF OF YOUR BOOK AND POST IT THREE TIMES A DAY. THE FACT IS THAT WE HAVE SEEN HUNDREDS OF STATEMENTS ON BY KS WITH , I BELIEVE , I FEEL CONFIDENT . BLAH BLAH BLAH.
WE DONT CARE WHAT YOU BELIEVE OR FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT.
YOU COULD TRY TO MAKE CONVINCING ARGUMENTS TO SWAY PEOPLES OPINIONS. THE FACT THAT YOU BELIEVE SOMETHING IS NOT A CONVINCING ARGUMENT. REPEATING YOUR BELIEF DOES NOT STENGTHEN YOUR ARGUMENT.

I believe that he does not want to play for Melbourne, and there is no chance of playing for St.Kilda again. I feel quite confident that his preferred club is still Collingwood, and he can still get there because draft rules allow that to happen, providing both Luke Ball and Collingwood want it to happen.




Which is an unreasonable request! To request Tyson Goldsack and pick #30, and then for Collingwood to spend time persuading Goldsack to join St.Kilda, and then to flip-flop and request a required player from a different club on the final day of trade was ridiculous! It couldn't be done of course and St.Kilda were incompetent ameteurs regarding this trade.

North Melbourne would have traded pick #25 to Collingwood for Sharrod Wellingham and pick #30, even though it was a bad deal, and Collingwood were prepared to do that, but St.Kilda were not interested in pick #25! The Western Bulldogs would have reluctantly traded Andrejs Everitt for pick #21 only, so pick #22 from West Coast wouldn't have got Everitt anyway! St.Kilda were rigid and were nitpicking over three spots in the draft for nothing then.

SOMEONE ASKED WHAT WOULD HAVE GOT THE DEAL DONE, AND I RESPONDED WITH A CORRECT ANSWER. PLEASE DONT QUOTE ME WITH A REHASH OF YOUR TIRED RAMBLINGS.



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"I Reckon we let the Anzacs down . Mick Malthouse, gibbering idiot and coach of Collingwood, suffering from the same delusion as many fans, that everything is about Collingwood, and that we all care when they lose.

You are not striking a sore point with all of this , its just really really annoying. Like my 8 yo when he makes farting noises after the first 10 minutes.

 

[Pie eyed]

If you think we needed to purposely lose to the top side...you have problems!

Or start pumping up our tyres and tell everyone how good we are and we just toyed with St, Kilda in round 22...if we wanted to we would of won by 4-5 goals..but decided not to!

The spoon is an indication of a full season.....not one or two games.

Go read the ladder....

 

[St DAC]

Finally, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, personal, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community
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"If anyone's not up for the challenge, they can walk in and tell me and I'll move them on." - flip-flopping hypocrite Ross Lyon lie - 27th September, 2009.

I rest my case; You are indeed a lying troll.

 

[KissStephanie]

Realistically, Ball could tell Melbourne before the draft that he doesn't want to play for them and would appreciate if they didn't select him.

Yes, and he can also request a very high proce to put other clubs off so that he won't be selected until Collingwood picks him. He is then allowed to re-negotiate his terms once he is selected.

And as for those pleading for free agency I tell you all to shut up. We are the only major sport left in the world with any semblance of loyalty.

I fully support restricted free agency so that clubs cannot pick and choose who they deal with. St.Kilda did not want to deal with Collingwood because of their ladder position. It will not at all change loyalty of course though. Just because players are forced to remain at their club under the current rules, does not mean that player is staying through loyalty, but because he has no other option. That is not right.

Yeah in the absence of any news you'd think he'd likely stay at the aints.

I am quite sure that he won't play for St.Kilda again. That relationship is over following the way they screwed him.

Still cant figure out why pies fans are still banging away hoping other people think it wasnt their own doing they didnt get him.

Because it wasn't. It was St.Kilda's fault as has been explained a number of times previously. Have you read those posts and the articles included?

Cant say i would have accepted either Goldsack or Wellingham either.

St.Kilda requested Tyson Goldsack and pick #30 though. Collingwood agreed to this deal, but St.Kilda had flip-flopped.

You are not striking a sore point with all of this , its just really really annoying. Like my 8 yo when he makes farting noises after the first 10 minutes.

I certainly have hit a nerve with one person in particular, but why on earth are you contributing to the topic? If you have no interest in my opinion, then don't read my posts. If people continually throw up the same points, then I will respond because I am interested in the topic.

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  [*]I don't care whether or not Ross Lyon sleeps at night. I have never stated anything at all regarding that. My opinion still stands regarding him though.
  
  
  [*]I have never claimed that I have confided in Luke Ball. I trust the person that I mentioned in this post though. I believe that he is even more keen to play for Collingwood than he was last week. I don't believe that he will choose to play for Melbourne. His relationship with St.Kilda is over.
  
  
  [*]You claimed that draft pick #22 from West Coast would have got the deal done because it would have meant that St.Kilda would have traded it for Andrejs Everitt. You're wrong though because that pick would not have been enough, and North Melbourne had no intention of trading pick #21. Therefore, St.Kilda were rigid over three places in the draft for nothing instead of sticking to their original request of Tyson Goldsack and pick #30. For St.Kilda to expect so much on the final day was amateurish and complete incompetence.

I rest my case

I think it's fair to say that you are neither an attorney or been to law school.

You are indeed a lying troll.

No, you didn't say anything in this post. I haven't lied because I asked you to show an example which you have failed to do. That would make you a liar. I haven't personally attacked or stated anything inflammatory toward another member, and I certainly have not stated anything controversial whatsoever.

You refuse to stick to the topic though, and to answer the points I made to you earlier regarding the topic, as well as this post for that matter. You are far more interested in discussing and personally attacking other members without providing any examples.

That by accurate definition makes you a hypocrite and a troll, and I have supplied examples as well. Therefore it's quite clear that you are projecting the view that you have of yourself.
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"If anyone's not up for the challenge, they can walk in and tell me and I'll move them on." - flip-flopping hypocrite Ross Lyon lie - 27th September, 2009.

 

[The Punter]

It is quite clear people on here disagree, and will never agree. You can keep re-stating the same arguments, or do something else. The "KissStephanie" nut is not for cracking. Time to move on.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

More repetative garbage.
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BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH, Kiss Stephanie ... annoying Collingwood troll.

 

[St DAC]

I reckon I might have stuck a nerve with the lying troll that is KissStephanie ...

 

[MarkT2]

Simple answer. Draft Pick 22, or other means allowing the Saints to get Andeas Everett.

That would have got the deal done.

The question wasn't what would have got the deal done. That assumes the ask was fair. Didak and a first round pick would have got the Stevens deal done but that just isn't relevant becasue it was far too expensive. Even if 22 is the

The question was what was the fair price for Ball. If Ball goes for pick 22 then that was the fair price. Collingwood didn't have pick 22 and couldn't get it with any reasonable deal. That's life. I don't think he will go for pick 22. I think Ball is worth a late second round pick and if he goes into the national draft that is what he will go for.

 

[St DAC]

The question was what was the fair price for Ball. If Ball goes for pick 22 then that was the fair price. Collingwood didn't have pick 22 and couldn't get it with any reasonable deal. That's life. I don't think he will go for pick 22. I think Ball is worth a late second round pick and if he goes into the national draft that is what he will go for.

All true. And until or unless agreement on the price was reached, then a deal wouldn't get done. Collingwood stood at their buying price; fair enough. St Kilda stood on their asking price; fair enough. That position is the absolute right of both clubs. No matter what any of us think is a fair trade, it's up to the clubs involved to reach agreement. It doesn't always happen; look at O'Keefe last year.

I'm struggling to see the reason for the vitriol on both sides. Yes, Luke's future is uncertain, but he must have known that was a possible result before making his decision to try and be traded. He still has some options; it's even possible (but IMO unlikely) he'll get to Collingwood via the ND, and we'll get nothing. If he does, then good luck to him. If not, he has options.

The only way we get anything is if he re-signs with us. Otherwise, he's gone for nought. Not ideal, but not catastrophic either.

 

[pies_this_year]

Why do you do such MASSIVE posts kisstephanie?? Sumarise into smaller statements and maybe people will take you more seriously....

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The question wasn't what would have got the deal done. That assumes the ask was fair. Didak and a first round pick would have got the Stevens deal done but that just isn't relevant becasue it was far too expensive. Even if 22 is the

The question was what was the fair price for Ball. If Ball goes for pick 22 then that was the fair price. Collingwood didn't have pick 22 and couldn't get it with any reasonable deal. That's life. I don't think he will go for pick 22. I think Ball is worth a late second round pick and if he goes into the national draft that is what he will go for.

Fair comment.
Others consider he is worth an early second round pick.

Fair is a subjective term.

Also fair dosn't get a deal done.
It might be fair to swap my car for an older 4WD. But I'm not going to do it unless I need a 4WD.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

does anybody actually read KissStephanie's mind numbing slabs of text?

TL;DR!!!