Can Richmond go back to back? # Did overconfidence cost them against Collingwood #

Did overconfidence cost Richmond the win against Collingwood?

  • yes

    Votes: 75 61.5%

  • no

    Votes: 47 38.5%
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BM123 said:
I know it's not the most competitive mindset but I'd imagine Richmond supporters wouldn't be too crushed after they broke their premiership drought last year anyway. Collingwood just seemed like the better team on the night regardless of peoples predictions beforehand and it's not like Collingwood didn't have to play well to roll the Tigers. Kinda cringe worthy how some people rip into a team and it's supporters for failing to go back to back when even Geelong couldn't achieve that with a much stronger team.
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Yeah fair call, happy to be Richmond than crows fan right now.

We pinched one last year we shouldnt have, and coughed one up we maybe should have won this year..

..but to say that is unfair to the WCE, think they are the best team this year even though we finished top
 
Winning Premierships is tough. To win a flag you need to win 3 finals in a row against pretty good teams. being just a little off, opponents producing some outstanding performances and a good well coached side can be out.

I think saying over confidence is a bit disrespectful to Richmond,. a good well coached side, not perfect, see their ruck set up, a bit reliant on a couple of players, but almost everyone is. A bit Plan A with little Plan B, but a darn good plan A.

No side has the monopoly of toughness, tackling or 1 % ers.

The way Collingwood and Richmond play, both can convert a little dominance to a bit of scoreboard distance, a little dominance, either side can look to win easy and the actual difference not much at all.

PF Collingwood controlled stoppages better, Richmond just could not score from forward stoppages, and the ruck. A convincing good win, but Ruck aside it was built on little margins, contests, stoppages, which margin while fairly constant in the pies favor was not much a all.
 
pugsville said:
Winning Premierships is tough. To win a flag you need to win 3 finals in a row against pretty good teams. being just a little off, opponents producing some outstanding performances and a good well coached side can be out.

I think saying over confidence is a bit disrespectful to Richmond,. a good well coached side, not perfect, see their ruck set up, a bit reliant on a couple of players, but almost everyone is. A bit Plan A with little Plan B, but a darn good plan A.

No side has the monopoly of toughness, tackling or 1 % ers.

The way Collingwood and Richmond play, both can convert a little dominance to a bit of scoreboard distance, a little dominance, either side can look to win easy and the actual difference not much at all.

PF Collingwood controlled stoppages better, Richmond just could not score from forward stoppages, and the ruck. A convincing good win, but Ruck aside it was built on little margins, contests, stoppages, which margin while fairly constant in the pies favor was not much a all.
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Interesting, all three games this year ended up being convincing victories one way or the other, maybe once either game style gets on top it just completely overwhelms.
 

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BM123 said:
I know it's not the most competitive mindset but I'd imagine Richmond supporters wouldn't be too crushed after they broke their premiership drought last year anyway. Collingwood just seemed like the better team on the night regardless of peoples predictions beforehand and it's not like Collingwood didn't have to play well to roll the Tigers. Kinda cringe worthy how some people rip into a team and it's supporters for failing to go back to back when even Geelong couldn't achieve that with a much stronger team.
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Less crushed than I would have been but still pretty crushed. Don't get many opportunities to go B2B - that's about as well placed as you can get - and we blew it in a half. Plus doing so against Collingwood makes it shitter.
 
PetterdHoisted said:
Interesting, all three games this year ended up being convincing victories one way or the other, maybe once either game style gets on top it just completely overwhelms.
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it tends to, but not always.

The Pies have had few games where they were unable to translate dominance to goals. But generally "modern footy" ability to turn a short term burst of dominance into 4-5 goals in 10 minutes tends to be the hallmark of the good sides, the flip side is absorbing the pressure of repeated entries of anther side mid dominance without giving up goals which was perhaps the more impressive part of the pies PF. Richmond are a very good side. they have some weaknesses as do every body else. The pies dominated 2011 and yet it all went pear shaped in the GF, it's a hard slog to get back to the opportunity that a PF/GF loss represents. Just because you worked very hard and were a great side in that year don''t actually give you anything for the next year. I expect the Tiges to reload and be around about next year, pick up a Ruck seems obvious, Stefan Martin getting on now, but the Tiges should have gone hard at him last year. Vardy did enough against Grundy in the WCE final, limiting the power rucks is necessary right no.,
 

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adammania9 said:
The Pies make two grannies a decade and still grabbed a bigger crowd than Richmond who played their first grand final in 35 years. Minnows gonna minnow/
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Not completely true. We actually had the same number of empty seats - 2. One of our "empty" seats was reserved for a guy who died who was a Richmond supporter as his family bought him a ticket and held the seat for him.
Add to that fact that you needed about 15,000 more Eagles fans there than we had Adelaide fans to fill the place and your attendance is actually far more inferior.
 
Captain_Bender said:
Nah Collingwood's "win" over Richmond was a complete Bradbury they will most likely pull a Adelaide next year and miss finals completely
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Not really. One of your big four players wasn't fully fit for a final, and you fell apart. Tigers can cover for their inept bottom 18 when they've dragged their opponent down to their level with their high pressure game plan, but when one of their quality players is playing injured and it is tigers under scoreboard pressure instead of their opponents we got a good look of how ordinary the skill level of their average player is under pressure.

Richmond may still be thereabouts next year, because teams haven't been able to consistently turn the heat back on Richmond. If Richmond can be made to feel the pressure Pies put them under in more games next year, then they'll struggle. A middle of the road side individual wise held together by a very effective game plan and well drilled players.

If I had to pick a team out of Pies and Tigers to miss finals next year it would be Tigers, but I think they'll likely both make it.
 
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