Captain Judd!!

[Salaryman]

Edited for accuracy.

Unfortunately for the Blues what other option did you have?

Stevens......didn't even want to go to the Blues in the first place and messed around off field for the first 1-2 years.

The fact that the Blues really had no one else with even close to what is needed to Captain a club is a poor reflection on the current playing group and on the recruiting department. And that is an indisputable fact.

You can bag the Eagles based on the poor behaviour of a minority group all you like but when you compare Pridis and Cox both coming from the rookie list and both now in the leadership group and well set to be a future Club Captain.

One thing there is no doubt about is the quality of Judd as a Captain. Unlike many other posters I hope and look forward to seeing him getting 100% fit and showing the footy world how a champ can play the game.

If you are going to put recruitment and poor behaviour in the same post, would you care to discuss woodhouse recruiting his godson who is up on police charges before playing an AFL game.......watch the door on your way out numbskull

And to be honest, this isn't a once-off numbskull post, you really are a serial numbskull

 

[Flymaster]

You quite simply can't be serious

I think he makes some good points. The Eagles did deteriorate under Judd's captaincy but that is not Judd's fault anymore than it is Worsfold's fault. The administration is ultimately to blame for the off-field problems. No one is questioning that Judd is the best player at Carlton, but the fact is his appointment as captain is all about maximising marketing opportunities and sponsorship dollars. West Coast made the same mistake. He is not the best man for the job at Carlton, nor was he the best man for the job at the Eagles in 2006 (Glass, Cox or Stenglein would have been better choices). Simpson or Stevens would have been much better choices as captain, but they just don't have the same promotional appeal as Judd. Poor decision that will one day come back to bite Carlton.

 

[BlueYoss]

I think he makes some good points. The Eagles did deteriorate under Judd's captaincy but that is not Judd's fault anymore than it is Worsfold's fault. The administration is ultimately to blame for the off-field problems. No one is questioning that Judd is the best player at Carlton, but the fact is his appointment as captain is all about maximising marketing opportunities and sponsorship dollars. West Coast made the same mistake. He is not the best man for the job at Carlton, nor was he the best man for the job at the Eagles in 2006 (Glass, Cox or Stenglein would have been better choices). Simpson or Stevens would have been much better choices as captain, but they just don't have the same promotional appeal as Judd. Poor decision that will one day come back to bite Carlton.

Noted and bookmarked.

When that day comes you can come back and say 'I told you so'.

Now f*ck off back to your own board until then!

PS. If premierships 17 and/or 18 and/or 19 come before then, don't come back at all.

 

[Flymaster]

Noted and bookmarked.

When that day comes you can come back and say 'I told you so'.

Now f*ck off back to your own board until then!

PS. If premierships 17 and/or 18 and/or 19 come before then, don't come back at all.

I will bet anything you like that Judd will never again be a Premiership captain. That day may be sooner than you think when he barely manages to play 3 or 4 good games in 2008. His groin is shot and he knows it but is hoping for the best.

 

[HBF]

Well done Chris Judd.
Not a real shock, although i'm sure Nick Stevens must have thought he was in with a pretty big chance of being captain of the club.

Just cannot wait to see the great man in Navy Blue out there in a game.

 

[BlueYoss]

I will bet anything you like that Judd will never again be a Premiership captain.

I would like a Maserati GranTurismo containing Sienna Miller, Adriana Lima and Rhona Mitra
Let me know when they are yours to lose...

That day may be sooner than you think when he barely manages to play 3 or 4 good games in 2008. His groin is shot and he knows it but is hoping for the best.

As I said in my previous post, bookmark it and come back then -but f*ck off back to your own board now.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

awsome selection, could not be more happier with this choice.

once again the powers at be have made the right decision.

Richard Pratt, thankyou

 

[BlueYoss]

awsome selection, could not be more happier with this choice.

once again the powers at be have made the right decision.

Richard Pratt, thankyou

Aren't you now due for a bookmark gloat?

 

[sticks74]

Another Great Choice by the Blues!

When in doubt choose the player you most want your young players to emulate....CHRIS JUDD by a country mile...




"The giant is awake"

 

[Obeanie1]

If you are going to put recruitment and poor behaviour in the same post, would you care to discuss woodhouse recruiting his godson who is up on police charges before playing an AFL game.......watch the door on your way out numbskull

And to be honest, this isn't a once-off numbskull post, you really are a serial numbskull

So I take it instead of refuting what I have said about Carltons recruitment and player development you are narrowing the debate to the handful of bad apples at the Eagles.....AGAIN and change the subject.

Mate, people can say what they like, the Eagles sacked Gardiner, sacked, Cousins, sacked Chick and sacked Edwards. Other who I know of have also been sacked over the past three years for doing the wrong thing as well and Masten has copped a $2,750 fine and a club suspension.

All barrels of apples have a couple of rotten ones, even yours.

What all clubs do not have is a good recruitement record, and that is the point I have raised in my post. Not surprisingly you failed to counter this with anything of any substance but surprise surprise come out with personal insults.

I am still a Chris Judd fan and hope he comes good. Previously I posted that IMO he can only earn the Captancy at Carlton only after he has played for the club. Otherwise it sends a not so subtle message to every other Carlton player that no one else was good enough.

IMO Stevens or even Waite should have got the job for at least one season.

Other Blues supporters have the same view......I take it they are all numbsculls as well

 

[Flymaster]

I would like a Maserati GranTurismo containing Sienna Miller, Adriana Lima and Rhona Mitra
Let me know when they are yours to lose...


As I said in my previous post, bookmark it and come back then -but f*ck off back to your own board now.

Hmmm, no. I prefer to hang around the Carlton board because it is more amusing seeing how many Blues fans actually believe that Judd was made captain because they think he is the best man for the job. Time to wake up and smell the coffee I think.

 

[BlueYoss]

IMO Stevens or even Waite should have got the job for at least one season.

I can aknowledge when you raise a valid point

 

[Bluebear]

So I take it instead of refuting what I have said about Carltons recruitment and player development you are narrowing the debate to the handful of bad apples at the Eagles.....AGAIN and change the subject.

Mate, people can say what they like, the Eagles sacked Gardiner, sacked, Cousins, sacked Chick and sacked Edwards. Other who I know of have also been sacked over the past three years for doing the wrong thing as well and Masten has copped a $2,750 fine and a club suspension.

All barrels of apples have a couple of rotten ones, even yours.

What all clubs do not have is a good recruitement record, and that is the point I have raised in my post. Not surprisingly you failed to counter this with anything of any substance but surprise surprise come out with personal insults.

Well we pulled of the recruiting coup of the year last year, and so far look to have the pick of the PSD.

I am still a Chris Judd fan and hope he comes good. Previously I posted that IMO he can only earn the Captancy at Carlton only after he has played for the club. Otherwise it sends a not so subtle message to every other Carlton player that no one else was good enough.

IMO Stevens or even Waite should have got the job for at least one season.

Other Blues supporters have the same view......I take it they are all numbsculls as well

So Nick Stevens should have got the gig.........interesting, was it the ONE good pre-season he has done where he led the way and showed the kids how its done.......by coincidence when the captaincy was becoming available...........or was it the 3 poor pre-seasons where he showed up over weight and struggled to keep off the booze during the week..........

Which was it that shows he is a better leader than a guy who has walked in and had everyone at the club re-assess what it means to train hard and become a good player.
He has led the group in every sense since he arrived...........Stevo only started to do it when he thought it might get him a title.........that's the difference.

Waite?
I won't dignify this with a response.

 

[Flymaster]

Well we pulled of the recruiting coup of the year last year, and so far look to have the pick of the PSD.


So Nick Stevens should have got the gig.........interesting, was it the ONE good pre-season he has done where he led the way and showed the kids how its done.......by coincidence when the captaincy was becoming available...........or was it the 3 poor pre-seasons where he showed up over weight and struggled to keep off the booze during the week..........

Which was it that shows he is a better leader than a guy who has walked in and had everyone at the club re-assess what it means to train hard and become a good player.
He has led the group in every sense since he arrived...........Stevo only started to do it when he thought it might get him a title.........that's the difference.

Waite?
I won't dignify this with a response.

Not hard to do when your recruiting people were tipped off that he was returning home at the end of the season and then tanked games to ensure that your in the box seat. Oh yes I forgot, it also helps when your club president is a convicted criminal who happens to have lots of cash.

 

[thylacine60]

Not hard to do when your recruiting people were tipped off that he was returning home at the end of the season and then tanked games to ensure that your in the box seat. Oh yes I forgot, it also helps when your club president is a convicted criminal who happens to have lots of cash.

Wrong club. Get a clue.

 

[Beloved]

Not hard to do when your recruiting people were tipped off that he was returning home at the end of the season and then tanked games to ensure that your in the box seat. Oh yes I forgot, it also helps when your club president is a convicted criminal who happens to have lots of cash.

West Coast is full of climinals and drug addicts. See? I'm sure you don't like people bringing up the past, although, I do beleive Wet Toast is still full of junkies...

Come along 2018, "Carlton tanked games 11 years ago."

Wood, hammer, nails, bridge.

 

[thylacine60]

West Coast is full of climinals and drug addicts. See? I'm sure you don't like people bringing up the past, although, I do beleive Wet Toast is still full of junkies...

Come along 2018, "Carlton tanked games 11 years ago."

Wood, hammer, nails, bridge.

As Eddie spears another rocket-propelled, lookaway handpass. Go hard, son.

 

[mediumsizered]

Not hard to do when your recruiting people were tipped off that he was returning home at the end of the season and then tanked games to ensure that your in the box seat. Oh yes I forgot, it also helps when your club president is a convicted criminal who happens to have lots of cash.

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Our club president has never been found guilty of a criminal offence, unlike some people associated with the Indian Pacific Football Club. One thing I really dislike is people posting stuff that is totally untrue. Even worse when it is an opposition supporter on our board. Calling someone a criminal when they are not is tantamount to libel/slander. It is a pity the grapes are so sour this year.

 

[Jackfrost]

We had a Captain who's groin broke down once. Now it seems you have the same problem

 

[Flymaster]

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Our club president has never been found guilty of a criminal offence, unlike some people associated with the Indian Pacific Football Club. One thing I really dislike is people posting stuff that is totally untrue. Even worse when it is an opposition supporter on our board. Calling someone a criminal when they are not is tantamount to libel/slander. It is a pity the grapes are so sour this year.

You are misinformed Mr Moderator. Pratt pleaded guilty to the charges laid by the ACCC (see below). He admitted to doing the crime and that makes him a criminal. I am a solicitor and I know what amounts to libel/slander and what doesn't. No concerns for me on this one. However, you should get your facts straight before you shoot from the hip in future. Do you care to name those associated with "the Indian Pacific Football Club" who have been found guilty of a criminal offence?

In December 2005 the ACCC commenced prosecution against Pratt for involvement in a cartel in the packaging industry.[5]
On the 10th of October 2007, Richard Pratt was formally accused of price fixing, cheating customers and companies out of approximately $700 million Australian dollars in the nation's biggest ever cartel case.[12] The ACCC alleged "very serious contraventions" of the law and that these had been "carefully and deliberately concealed" by Pratt.[13] The ACCC counsel further stated: "There can be no suggestion that Visy acted in ignorance of its obligations under the act," and that the use of pre-paid mobile phones that could not be traced and the holding of meetings in private homes, motel rooms and suburban parks "provides a strong indication that Visy was fully aware that the conduct was illegal".[14]
After more than a year of denials Pratt subsequently admitted his guilt, acknowledging he and his company VISY, and "rival" company Amcor deliberately broke the law.[15]

 

[jonoman89]

You are misinformed Mr Moderator. Pratt pleaded guilty to the charges laid by the ACCC (see below). He admitted to doing the crime and that makes him a criminal. I am a solicitor and I know what amounts to libel/slander and what doesn't. No concerns for me on this one.

Well, maybe as a solictor you should realise that a criminal is someone who committs a criminal offence and is convicted of that offence. Pratt did not commit a criminal offence, and did not recieve a criminal conviction. He was only fined. Therefore, he is not a criminal. Pretty simple.

And im sure if you were someone who actually held gravitas in the community, and you called him a "criminal" on public record, he wouldn't be too hesitant to sue you for everything you've got.

 

[Flymaster]

Well, maybe as a solictor you should realise that a criminal is someone who committs a criminal offence and is convicted of that offence. Pratt did not commit a criminal offence, and did not recieve a criminal conviction. Therefore, he is not a criminal. Pretty simple.

And im sure if you were someone who actually held gravitas in the community, and you called him a "criminal" on public record, he wouldn't be too hesitant to sue you for everything you've got.

Today's lesson in Law 101 is...pleading guilty = conviction.

 

[jonoman89]

No it isn't. Not in Victoria. You can still plead guilty and have a judge/magistrate/jury not convict you. Also, Pratt's charge was not a criminal one, it was only for breeches of a non-criminal law based statute.

Many people have committed minor offences such as theft and have not recieved a criminal conviction. No idea how it works in W.A.

 

[iRemember87]

You are misinformed Mr Moderator. Pratt pleaded guilty to the charges laid by the ACCC (see below). He admitted to doing the crime and that makes him a criminal. I am a solicitor and I know what amounts to libel/slander and what doesn't. No concerns for me on this one. However, you should get your facts straight before you shoot from the hip in future. Do you care to name those associated with "the Indian Pacific Football Club" who have been found guilty of a criminal offence?

In December 2005 the ACCC commenced prosecution against Pratt for involvement in a cartel in the packaging industry.[5]
On the 10th of October 2007, Richard Pratt was formally accused of price fixing, cheating customers and companies out of approximately $700 million Australian dollars in the nation's biggest ever cartel case.[12] The ACCC alleged "very serious contraventions" of the law and that these had been "carefully and deliberately concealed" by Pratt.[13] The ACCC counsel further stated: "There can be no suggestion that Visy acted in ignorance of its obligations under the act," and that the use of pre-paid mobile phones that could not be traced and the holding of meetings in private homes, motel rooms and suburban parks "provides a strong indication that Visy was fully aware that the conduct was illegal".[14]
After more than a year of denials Pratt subsequently admitted his guilt, acknowledging he and his company VISY, and "rival" company Amcor deliberately broke the law.[15]

But was Pratt himself convicted???

That is what MS was saying.

Admitting and being convicted are 2 different things, i thought as a solicitor you would know that.

You also didn't include the following info in your retort; typical solicitor!!
On November 2, 2007, Pratt and the Visy group received a A$36 million fine, representing both the largest fine in Australian history and an estimated 0.75% of the Pratt fortune.Federal Court judge Justice Heerey said Mr Pratt and his senior executives were knowingly concerned in the cartel, which involved price fixing and market sharing.

Correct me, but does it say Richard Pratt himself was convicted???

 

[Flymaster]

No it isn't. Not in Victoria. You can still plead guilty and have a judge/magistrate/jury not convict you. Also, Pratt's charge was not a criminal one, it was only for breeches of a non-criminal law based statute.

Many people have committed minor offences such as theft and have not recieved a criminal conviction. No idea how it works in W.A.

He breached Federal laws not Victorian ones.