Captaincy / Leadership group

[McIvor]

That should save you around $500 then

My son, having seen a fair bit of Kai Lohmann at reserves level, really likes him, so we might even try to sponsor him next year or buy one of his player jumpers at an auction next year if they do any for his birthday next year. We do all we can to contribute to the club where we can.

 

[Nathan Barley]

The one thing I don’t subscribe to is a lack of overall toughness in a football sense, as said by Ling. Zorkos niggle is annoying but we are generally said to be a tough, contested team.

How often do you here the boundary rider say ‘it’s tough and hard down here, both sides going at it’.

Or hear an oppo coach say, ‘you know what you get againts brisbane, it’s going to be a a contested, bruising affair - we were ready’.

We alway commit to the contest it’s just our structural/team D that’s the issue.

We got the niggle vs contest wrong on Friday and took the bait, but generally we are not a bruise free/soft side.

That’s the one element I have found to be OTT and annoying.

I don't hear those comments very often with us at all

Sometimes we turn on a finals like intensity for a quarter here and there like the first quarter of the Richmond game but we don't sustain it for long enough

 

[brutus76]

I always sponsor one of the young blokes under 100 games. You get either a signed Guernsey or framed autographed picture. I get the Guernsey.

Haven't made a choice for next year but Kiddy or Rayner are my considerations presently

 

[martinson]

The one thing that's surprised me out of this saga is that people who are so interested in AFL that they post opinions and have conversations on a public forum are completely oblivious to the things players say to each other on the field.

Much of it's not nice. They're not playing tiddlywinks. What Zorko said isn't up there in some of the stuff players bandy around that the opposition say to put them off their game. Petty's reaction was the only reason this saw the light of day and I agree with everything Buckley said on SEN that someone posted earlier.

Melbourne don't want their dirty laundry aired either.

Zorko's a player that even his own supporters seem to dislike so there was bound to be a pile on.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if this is his last year now. But I hope not. Freed of any leadership roles if he could get his body right he could still be a valuable player.

 

[p4p1]

I haven't gone through the thread yet.
Neale is the obvious choice, unless it is something that he has little interest in. Not everybody wants to be captain. His age doesn't matter to me. Even if he is only captain for 1-2 years he has first hand experience of what a great leader should do due to his time at Freo when Pav was the captain there.
Next in line for me is Starce, he never stops trying all game and leads by example. The captain doesn't have to be the loudest voice but he has to be respected, reliable and lead by example. If Starce does make the shift into a defensive mid next year then he is almost a lock for me as to who I would choose.
Left field choice for me would be Daniher. I know someone floated the idea of him being the forward general but I do wonder if a bit more responsibility would make Joe less prone to flopping etc. Sometime people thrive with added responsibility. I don't know that he would but a team first, pack crashing Daniher would change our forwardline.
I wouldn't make Matho captain but I think he could be deputy-vice. He is completely team first, he fires up the guys and from what I have seen has a lot of attributes you want in a leader. The only thing that holds him back is that he might not be first 22 at times. But 3rd in line would cement him as a leader for the group. Maybe we need to start rewarding guys who make the others around them better, which is something he seems to do.
Clugg is another good option, being that he is already in the leadership group he would have to be the second favourite for the captaincy after Neale. Much like Starc, he never stops trying, he never gives up and leads by example.

I think our leadership group needs to be shrunk down. Captain, Vice-Captain, Deputy-Vice and Reserves Captain.
Lester seems to fill the reserves captain role (from my understanding) last role really well but I also wouldn't be against giving the reserves captaincy to a young player who will definitely be first 22 soon but isn't quite there/a lock and see if it helps them develop traits. IE as much as I think Dev Robertson should be in our first 22, this year it might have been a good to make him the reserves captain, showing some faith in him as a player and a person but maybe with a chat that 'we don't think you are quite there yet but we know you will be and expect you to be there next year but for this year we want you to focus on the 2nds and being a leader so we want you our captain this year in the twos.' I just think if we want our young guys to be leaders going forward we need to start giving them some responsibility now.

 

[martinson]

I don't hear those comments very often with us at all

Sometimes we turn on a finals like intensity for a quarter here and there like the first quarter of the Richmond game but we don't sustain it for long enough

It's what we can do for 10 or 15 minutes that had people believing we were a flag contender.

Intensity though is sustaining it at a reasonable level for a whole game and lifting to another level when you're under pressure and the opposition is coming. Something we've generally been unable to do against good opposition.

Clearly there are some mental issues there as well as our gameplan which is well telegraphed by now and gets busted open when the intensity lifts. As well as the capacity of some of our players who may never develop the whole game level of intensity required.

We're still a good team and have the building blocks if we recruit and trade well.

 

[lioninthesand]

I don't hear those comments very often with us at all

Sometimes we turn on a finals like intensity for a quarter here and there like the first quarter of the Richmond game but we don't sustain it for long enough

I hadn’t heard it up to this week, Cameron Ling and few others saying we like niggle but don’t play tough footy.

 

[mpal6]

I wish Berry isn't so hampered with injuries so often. I'd make him Captain and Starcevich his deputy. You want to embody the effort and toughness when the C or VC is next to your name. Berry has it in spades.

Some neutral cats supporter posted it in main board thread and that's when it clicked for me. The Captain I'd like to see is the one who isn't at the top of the list in terms of individual accolades but absolutely bust his gut playing his role and rising the level for his team mates around him.

 

[martinson]

I haven't gone through the thread yet.
Neale is the obvious choice, unless it is something that he has little interest in. Not everybody wants to be captain. His age doesn't matter to me. Even if he is only captain for 1-2 years he has first hand experience of what a great leader should do due to his time at Freo when Pav was the captain there.
Next in line for me is Starce, he never stops trying all game and leads by example. The captain doesn't have to be the loudest voice but he has to be respected, reliable and lead by example. If Starce does make the shift into a defensive mid next year then he is almost a lock for me as to who I would choose.
Left field choice for me would be Daniher. I know someone floated the idea of him being the forward general but I do wonder if a bit more responsibility would make Joe less prone to flopping etc. Sometime people thrive with added responsibility. I don't know that he would but a team first, pack crashing Daniher would change our forwardline.
I wouldn't make Matho captain but I think he could be deputy-vice. He is completely team first, he fires up the guys and from what I have seen has a lot of attributes you want in a leader. The only thing that holds him back is that he might not be first 22 at times. But 3rd in line would cement him as a leader for the group. Maybe we need to start rewarding guys who make the others around them better, which is something he seems to do.
Clugg is another good option, being that he is already in the leadership group he would have to be the second favourite for the captaincy after Neale. Much like Starc, he never stops trying, he never gives up and leads by example.

I think our leadership group needs to be shrunk down. Captain, Vice-Captain, Deputy-Vice and Reserves Captain.
Lester seems to fill the reserves captain role (from my understanding) last role really well but I also wouldn't be against giving the reserves captaincy to a young player who will definitely be first 22 soon but isn't quite there/a lock and see if it helps them develop traits. IE as much as I think Dev Robertson should be in our first 22, this year it might have been a good to make him the reserves captain, showing some faith in him as a player and a person but maybe with a chat that 'we don't think you are quite there yet but we know you will be and expect you to be there next year but for this year we want you to focus on the 2nds and being a leader so we want you our captain this year in the twos.' I just think if we want our young guys to be leaders going forward we need to start giving them some responsibility now.

Interestingly when Neale was asked who was the best player he played with he only named 2 who stood out. Pav and Zorks.

 

[p4p1]

Interestingly when Neale was asked who was the best player he played with he only named 2 who stood out. Pav and Zorks.

Fyfe is/was oodles better than Zorko so that's a strange 2 to name.
Off topic but one thing I did hear about Pav (not sure how true) is that he was recruited as an inside mid but the dockers needs at the time meant he got thrown around the ground a lot, particularly as a KPP. He did get thrown into the middle every now and then but I wonder what kind of career he would have had if he was in a team whose personal had allowed him to play most of his career as a mid. Pav was a really underappreciated player because not only did he play in WA but he played for the Dockers. He probably perfectly fits our needs right now tbh.

 

[lioninthesand]

The one thing that's surprised me out of this saga is that people who are so interested in AFL that they post opinions and have conversations on a public forum are completely oblivious to the things players say to each other on the field.

Much of it's not nice. They're not playing tiddlywinks. What Zorko said isn't up there in some of the stuff players bandy around that the opposition say to put them off their game. Petty's reaction was the only reason this saw the light of day and I agree with everything Buckley said on SEN that someone posted earlier.

Melbourne don't want their dirty laundry aired either.

Zorko's a player that even his own supporters seem to dislike so there was bound to be a pile on.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if this is his last year now. But I hope not. Freed of any leadership roles if he could get his body right he could still be a valuable player.

I love your input and I’ve tried to bite my tounge on this a few times but I’m going to say it.

There’s saying ‘not nice’ stuff and that’s 100% part of the game. With sledging - maybe some mild personal stuff, you blokes are weak, airing some dirty laundry about what a player was rumoured to do off-field - there are things employed to throw players off their game.

There is nothing normal or vanilla about Zorkos sledge though, you wouldn’t hear it in a maximum security prison yard.

I was speaking to a local footballer/cricket player, I’m heavily involved in local footy myself. He said/we agreed - ‘no way would you ever hear that level of sledge, ever, and if you did - both teams would jump on it’.

So I think, hate the pile on because you don’t like the pile on, protect Zorko based on his good outweighing the bad, but playing down, normalising or suggesting what Zorko said as ‘just part of life’ or common on the feild - is so far off the mark.

It is up their with the Cornes/Minson sledge as one of the most horrific things you could say to anyone is any setting, nothing ‘everyday’ about it.

 

[martinson]

Fyfe is/was oodles better than Zorko so that's a strange 2 to name.
Off topic but one thing I did hear about Pav (not sure how true) is that he was recruited as an inside mid but the dockers needs at the time meant he got thrown around the ground a lot, particularly as a KPP. He did get thrown into the middle every now and then but I wonder what kind of career he would have had if he was in a team whose personal had allowed him to play most of his career as a mid. Pav was a really underappreciated player because not only did he play in WA but he played for the Dockers. He probably perfectly fits our needs right now tbh.

He spoke about Nat but said Pav and Zorks were the 2 best.

Zorks has never been appreciated really . Either in the media or by his own supporters.

 

[Daniels Riches]

He spoke about Nat but said Pav and Zorks were the 2 best.

Zorks has never been appreciated really . Either in the media or by his own supporters.

I appreciate Zorko’s skill and always have. He has done some wonderful things for the club. But I do not agree with his moral standing. From what I have read during Zorko’s time at the club, the large majority of supporters have appreciated him. Strange take imo.


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[martinson]

I love your input and I’ve tried to bite my tounge on this a few times but I’m going to say it.

There’s saying ‘not nice’ stuff and that’s 100% part of the game. With sledging - maybe some mild personal stuff, you blokes are weak, airing some dirty laundry about what a player was rumoured to do off-field - there are things employed to throw players off their game.

There is nothing normal or vanilla about Zorkos sledge though, you wouldn’t hear it in a maximum security prison yard.

I was speaking to a local footballer/cricket player, I’m heavily involved in local footy myself. He said/we agreed - ‘no way would you ever hear that level of sledge, ever, and if you did - both teams would jump on it’.

So I think, hate the pile on because you don’t like the pile on, protect Zorko based on his good outweighing the bad, but playing down, normalising or suggesting what Zorko said as ‘just part of life’ or common on the feild - is so far off the mark.

It is up their with the Cornes/Minson sledge as one of the most horrific things you could say to anyone is any setting, nothing ‘everyday’ about it.

I didn't seek to normalise it. Just saying a lot worse things have been said to players which frankly couldn't really be printed.

Context is another thing . The leadup to it ,what was said . It came out. Some players mightn't react at all. He'll pay a huge price ultimately.

What Selwood said to Headland goes on all the time. Except sometimes even more imaginative.

 

[martinson]

I appreciate Zorko’s skill and always have. He has done some wonderful things for the club. But I do not agree with his moral standing. From what I have read during Zorko’s time at the club, the large majority of supporters have appreciated him. Strange take imo.


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I'm only going off the same ones on here who purport to know a lot about footy and have been getting stuck into him ever since I've been on here

 

[briztoon]

I hadn’t heard it up to this week, Cameron Ling and few others saying we like niggle but don’t play tough footy.

I have definitely thought this for a while.

Trying to think of the main players; it’s mostly Zorko and Andrews.

Can’t think of any of our other players who will start the niggle.

 

[briztoon]

Fyfe is/was oodles better than Zorko so that's a strange 2 to name.
Off topic but one thing I did hear about Pav (not sure how true) is that he was recruited as an inside mid but the dockers needs at the time meant he got thrown around the ground a lot, particularly as a KPP. He did get thrown into the middle every now and then but I wonder what kind of career he would have had if he was in a team whose personal had allowed him to play most of his career as a mid. Pav was a really underappreciated player because not only did he play in WA but he played for the Dockers. He probably perfectly fits our needs right now tbh.

When Neale first came over from Fremantle, there was a lot of speculation that Neale wasn’t that enamoured with Fyfe, and the main reason for moving was to get away from Fyfe.

Last year there was a fair bit of talk here about future captains at the club. A lot of people mentioned Berry, and Mighty Lions insinuated that Berry wasn’t the most liked person amongst the playing group, and unlikely ever to be considered for the captaincy.

 

[martinson]

When Neale first came over from Fremantle, there was a lot of speculation that Neale wasn’t that enamoured with Fyfe, and the main reason for moving was to get away from Fyfe.

Last year there was a fair bit of talk here about future captains at the club. A lot of people mentioned Berry, and Mighty Lions insinuated that Berry wasn’t the most liked person amongst the playing group, and unlikely ever to be considered for the captaincy.

I think that's true.

Despite all the talk on here about how Zorko is unpopular anything I've heard is that he's well liked by the playing group.

There's a lot of talk goes around in footy circles. And in the press. A lot of it is just invented to justify a narrative.

 

[p4p1]

When Neale first came over from Fremantle, there was a lot of speculation that Neale wasn’t that enamoured with Fyfe, and the main reason for moving was to get away from Fyfe.

I was never sure how true that was tbh. The media over here likes to crucify the Dockers sometimes, especially Fyfe for whatever reason. Didn't he invite Fyfe to his wedding? It could be down to something as simple as he felt he was never going to get out of Fyfe's shadow and for his own footy he needed to be the #1 mid, which has worked out well for him IMO. Lachie was good enough to be an AA before he came to us but was often overlooked due to being in the same team and being all the way in WA IMO.

 

[Section 5]

We have a knockout final coming up soon and the Zorko issue is not helping everyone focus on that
Fagan and co have basically said they endorse his leadership skills over the years. So doubt anything happens from their side of things
So it is up to Zorko

If Zorko was a true leader he would resign his captancy for the remainder of 2022. Irrespective of weather he thinks it is,or is not, a resignation issue.
True leaders will do what is best for the Club

He could say something along the lines of " I came to this decision to clear the air for players and the Club as finals are upon us. Everyone needs to focus on the elemination final and my actions have been a big distraction. I have apologised for my actions and now wish to solely concentrate on playing out season 2022. The Club has now appointed ??????? to the captancy role and i fully accept and endores this appointment"

 

[McIvor]

When Neale first came over from Fremantle, there was a lot of speculation that Neale wasn’t that enamoured with Fyfe, and the main reason for moving was to get away from Fyfe.

Last year there was a fair bit of talk here about future captains at the club. A lot of people mentioned Berry, and Mighty Lions insinuated that Berry wasn’t the most liked person amongst the playing group, and unlikely ever to be considered for the captaincy.

Im sure its the same at every footy club and varying times b/c things probably change on annual basis when 10-20% of the list is churned over each year, but from what I can tell from socials, what you read on here and FB and at reserves is that the current squad has a lot of different cliques, perhaps some not enamoured with others. Does it affect how we play, I have no idea or at least I hope not.

 

[McIvor]

We have a knockout final coming up soon and the Zorko issue is not helping everyone focus on that
Fagan and co have basically said they endorse his leadership skills over the years. So doubt anything happens from their side of things
So it is up to Zorko

If Zorko was a true leader he would resign his captancy for the remainder of 2022. Irrespective of weather he thinks it is,or is not, a resignation issue.
True leaders will do what is best for the Club

He could say something along the lines of " I came to this decision to clear the air for players and the Club as finals are upon us. Everyone needs to focus on the elemination final and my actions have been a big distraction. I have apologised for my actions and now wish to solely concentrate on playing out season 2022. The Club has now appointed ??????? to the captancy role and i fully accept and endores this appointment"

I feel the same, but given the character of Zorko, I doubt he'd do that.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

We have a knockout final coming up soon and the Zorko issue is not helping everyone focus on that
Fagan and co have basically said they endorse his leadership skills over the years. So doubt anything happens from their side of things
So it is up to Zorko

If Zorko was a true leader he would resign his captancy for the remainder of 2022. Irrespective of weather he thinks it is,or is not, a resignation issue.
True leaders will do what is best for the Club

He could say something along the lines of " I came to this decision to clear the air for players and the Club as finals are upon us. Everyone needs to focus on the elemination final and my actions have been a big distraction. I have apologised for my actions and now wish to solely concentrate on playing out season 2022. The Club has now appointed ??????? to the captancy role and i fully accept and endores this appointment"

I think any distraction is way reduced in-house. I think they will have moved on to trying to win a game of football in 9 days time. And I'd probably argue against whether it's the best for the club anyway.

But regardless of whether it's warranted or not, Zorko stepping down will not happen before the end of the season. Just not going to happen.

 

[Lets Roar like '44]

We have a knockout final coming up soon and the Zorko issue is not helping everyone focus on that
Fagan and co have basically said they endorse his leadership skills over the years. So doubt anything happens from their side of things
So it is up to Zorko

If Zorko was a true leader he would resign his captancy for the remainder of 2022. Irrespective of weather he thinks it is,or is not, a resignation issue.
True leaders will do what is best for the Club

He could say something along the lines of " I came to this decision to clear the air for players and the Club as finals are upon us. Everyone needs to focus on the elemination final and my actions have been a big distraction. I have apologised for my actions and now wish to solely concentrate on playing out season 2022. The Club has now appointed ??????? to the captancy role and i fully accept and endores this appointment"

What a load of shit. Plenty of worse sledges going around but because Petty becomes the first sports person in history to ball because of it, Zorko now is made out to be some sort of monster. The whole story is a load of crap. And credit to the two teams for dealing with it properly, even if BF know it all’s know better.

 

[Lazza16]

Thinking ahead to when magically, we actually win the GF 2022..........will Zorks n Fages be up there raising the cup to a full MCG with 70% of the crowd booing Zorks? I kind of like the idea.....us against the rest of world. On the flip side....will the Lions have thought of this n stand down Zorks from the Captaincy this week to relieve the pressure on Zorks (wrap their arms around him)?