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I'm at an age now where I've seen family, friends and others suffer through cancer. Sadly young people as well.

We were getting belted and Zorko in the heat of the moment as is his wont thought he'd try to put Petty off his game. It was wrong and he went too far.

But he seriously didn't mean what he said about Petty's mother , Petty would know this . He apologised , obviously that's not enough. I personally don't take offence on behalf of all the people I've been involved with through chemo and death through cancer.

The pile on here over Zorko will probably go on forever till they get rid of him. I'm certain he's ashamed and embarrassed as he should be but the reaction of some people is right over the top.
 
martinson said:
I'm at an age now where I've seen family, friends and others suffer through cancer. Sadly young people as well.

We were getting belted and Zorko in the heat of the moment as is his wont thought he'd try to put Petty off his game. It was wrong and he went too far.

But he seriously didn't mean what he said about Petty's mother , Petty would know this . He apologised , obviously that's not enough. I personally don't take offence on behalf of all the people I've been involved with through chemo and death through cancer.

The pile on here over Zorko will probably go on forever till they get rid of him. I'm certain he's ashamed and embarrassed as he should be but the reaction of some people is right over the top.
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I was lost my mum to cancer, IMO sorry is not enough.

You can only do so many dumb things in life until someone calls you out.

Zorko was trying to get under Petty's skin and he went to the bottom of the barrel to get there.

There needs to be repercussions and at the moment I feel can't support this team until something more than a hollow apology is made.

Leaders need to set the example for others to follow, if this is an example of our captains leadership style, we can do better.
 
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knaf said:
l’m confused, if Zorko has a mental health issue over the pile-on from the media for a statement he agrees was wrong and apologised for, should the club not support him? Or should they abandon him the mob? Basically that’s what Daly was saying.

I don’t condone what Zorko said, and don’t think he will be captain next year, but the social media pile-ons are becoming far worse than the original offence.
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Apologies for coming here but I don't agree.

The club is making it a lot worse by pulling the mental health card. They can privately support him, but coming out with this statement just further fans the flames.

They should have punished him in the first place rather than a slap on the wrist, then the social and traditional media wouldn't have piled on as much. People were expecting a response to bad behaviour and got nothing, so they give their own response.
 
Daemon said:
Apologies for coming here but I don't agree.

The club is making it a lot worse by pulling the mental health card. They can privately support him, but coming out with this statement just further fans the flames.

They should have punished him in the first place rather than a slap on the wrist, then the social and traditional media wouldn't have piled on as much. People were expecting a response to bad behaviour and got nothing, so they give their own response.
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I don’t think they have “played the mental health card”. That’s lazy cliched criticism. Their first response was to condemn what he said and apologise. Melbourne didn’t want to take it any further and were satisfied with the club’s handling of it.

Moving forward the club has a professional responsibility to look after the well being of its staff, Zorko included. While the situation Zorko is in is essentially all self-inflicted, the media furore would definitely be putting him under significant emotional stress and the club is obligated to ensure he is okay.

“Playing the mental health card” has always meant using mental health as a way to explain, mitigate or excuse bad behaviour. That is clearly not what has happened here, and it doesn’t help anyone to claim otherwise. At no stage have Zorko or the club tried to rationalise, minimise or excuse Zorko’s deplorable comments.

A little bit of vigilantism disguised as morality going on. Ultimately this is an issue between Zorko, Petty, the Lions, the Demons and the AFL. All of those parties appear to feel the issue has been resolved appropriately amongst themselves and they don’t want any more of it to play out publicly in a media that cares only for clicks.

Zorko will pay a significant price in a range of ways. He clearly will not be captain next year, will lose endorsements and he has drastically limited his post-playing career options at clubland and in the media.

As fans we can have opinions and express them but we aren’t entitled to anything beyond that.
 
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Zorko has hurt this club. A price must be paid.

Watching Friday on the telly I went

Zorko don't be a grub
Zorko stop being a grub.
Zorko ffs you are a grub.

Was not surprised he went overboard. It won't happen, but I would go as far as dropping him for Dev next week.
 
Hollow Knight said:
I don’t think they have “played the mental health card”. That’s lazy cliched criticism. Their first response was to condemn what he said and apologise. Melbourne didn’t want to take it any further and were satisfied with the club’s handling of it.

Moving forward the club has a professional responsibility to look after the well being of its staff, Zorko included. While the situation Zorko is in is essentially all self-inflicted, the media furore would definitely be putting him under significant emotional stress and the club is obligated to ensure he is okay.

“Playing the mental health card” has always meant using mental health as a way to explain, mitigate or excuse bad behaviour. That is clearly not what has happened here, and it doesn’t help anyone to claim otherwise.

A little bit of vigilantism disguised as morality going on.
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I don't want to outlive my welcome here so I'll make this my last post and you can agree or not.

They are playing the mental health card to shut down any further ramifications or debate on what Zorko said, and how the club has responded. Imo they are now trying to sweep it under the rug and move the narrative on. In 2022, the mental health card is a perfect strategy to use for such things
 
Daemon said:
I don't want to outlive my welcome here so I'll make this my last post and you can agree or not.

They are playing the mental health card to shut down any further ramifications or debate on what Zorko said, and how the club has responded. Imo they are now trying to sweep it under the rug and move the narrative on. In 2022, the mental health card is a perfect strategy to use for such things
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I don’t agree again with your misunderstanding of the “mental health card”.

I do agree that the Lions want to move on. So does Petty and the Melbourne FC.
 
martinson said:
I'm at an age now where I've seen family, friends and others suffer through cancer. Sadly young people as well.

We were getting belted and Zorko in the heat of the moment as is his wont thought he'd try to put Petty off his game. It was wrong and he went too far.

But he seriously didn't mean what he said about Petty's mother , Petty would know this . He apologised , obviously that's not enough. I personally don't take offence on behalf of all the people I've been involved with through chemo and death through cancer.

The pile on here over Zorko will probably go on forever till they get rid of him. I'm certain he's ashamed and embarrassed as he should be but the reaction of some people is right over the top.
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We are talking about a 33 year old man. He certainly knew what he was doing, do not act like he is a child playing under 14's. There is no free pass for what he said, white line fever or not.

To be the captain of a professional football club and saying things like that, is totally unacceptable and any social "pile on" is totally warranted when it's hardly the first incident either. He has lost the faith of our supporter base and quite frankly I'd be worried if he hasn't lost the faith of the playing group & club.

He should be ashamed, he should be embarrassed and he should hand over the captaincy immediately after the finals is over.
 
Hollow Knight said:
I don’t think they have “played the mental health card”. That’s lazy cliched criticism. Their first response was to condemn what he said and apologise. Melbourne didn’t want to take it any further and were satisfied with the club’s handling of it.

Moving forward the club has a professional responsibility to look after the well being of its staff, Zorko included. While the situation Zorko is in is essentially all self-inflicted, the media furore would definitely be putting him under significant emotional stress and the club is obligated to ensure he is okay.

“Playing the mental health card” has always meant using mental health as a way to explain, mitigate or excuse bad behaviour. That is clearly not what has happened here, and it doesn’t help anyone to claim otherwise. At no stage have Zorko or the club tried to rationalise, minimise or excuse Zorko’s deplorable comments.

A little bit of vigilantism disguised as morality going on. Ultimately this is an issue between Zorko, Petty, the Lions, the Demons and the AFL. All of those parties appear to feel the issue has been resolved appropriately amongst themselves and they don’t want any more of it to play out publicly in a media that cares only for clicks.

Zorko will pay a significant price in a range of ways. He clearly will not be captain next year, will lose endorsements and he has drastically limited his post-playing career options at clubland and in the media.

As fans we can have opinions and express them but we aren’t entitled to anything beyond that.
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That was an exceptional post.
 
Toffee Lion said:
We are talking about a 33 year old man. He certainly knew what he was doing, do not act like he is a child playing under 14's. There is no free pass for what he said, white line fever or not.

To be the captain of a professional football club and saying things like that, is totally unacceptable and any social "pile on" is totally warranted when it's hardly the first incident either. He has lost the faith of our supporter base and quite frankly I'd be worried if he hasn't lost the faith of the playing group & club.

He should be ashamed, he should be embarrassed and he should hand over the captaincy immediately after the finals is over.
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We know.

What else would you like to see happen. Besides extrapolating everything as you have there string him up by the nearest tree for something he said on the footy field ?
 
Toffee Lion said:
We are talking about a 33 year old man. He certainly knew what he was doing, do not act like he is a child playing under 14's. There is no free pass for what he said, white line fever or not.

To be the captain of a professional football club and saying things like that, is totally unacceptable and any social "pile on" is totally warranted when it's hardly the first incident either. He has lost the faith of our supporter base and quite frankly I'd be worried if he hasn't lost the faith of the playing group & club.

He should be ashamed, he should be embarrassed and he should hand over the captaincy immediately after the finals is over.
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Scott Pendlebury should be the standard both on and off the field and Zorko is absolutely miles off. Looking at the list of captains cross the league in the aflpa awards 2022 AFLPA MVP Nominees announced Zorko in my view is by far the worst representative of what a captain should look and act like. On reflection, how is it that our past 3 captains have all been really average blokes that shouldnt be anywhere having captain next to there name.
 

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LIONS08 said:
I am in no way condoning what Zorko said but it is sounding more like it was a back and fourth which led to Zorko saying what he did…. Hence why both clubs are so keen to move on from it
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That is actually 100% correct. It'd been going on from the first bounce.

If Petty hadn't had a cry no one would've been the wiser.

Zorko as no one is surprised by went too far and he'll suffer the consequences. But don't think he's the only one in the AFL who's said that or similar things.
 
What annoys me about Zorko is the fact he doesn't believe any of the crap he carries on with. He belts blokes, headlocks them, wrestles, sledges and carries on all with a stupid smile on his face, cracking jokes and so on. I'm sure he would be more well liked and respected if he showed genuine aggression and didn't back away from it with a stupid smile and a joke, pretending its the oppositions problem they cant handle it.
 
martinson said:
We know.

What else would you like to see happen. Besides extrapolating everything as you have there string him up by the nearest tree for something he said on the footy field ?
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Twenty thousand dollar fine donated to Cancer Council would be a start.
Lions have lost heaps of respect in the public arena.
 
scoman said:
What annoys me about Zorko is the fact he doesn't believe any of the crap he carries on with. He belts blokes, headlocks them, wrestles, sledges and carries on all with a stupid smile on his face, cracking jokes and so on. I'm sure he would be more well liked and respected if he showed genuine aggression and didn't back away from it with a stupid smile and a joke, pretending its the oppositions problem they cant handle it.
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Crikey. Give him a break. He's a little guy who's been battered from pillar to post ever since the opposition realised he had exceptional talent.

He had to be tough to get where he is.
 
McIvor said:
Scott Pendlebury should be the standard both on and off the field and Zorko is absolutely miles off. Looking at the list of captains cross the league in the aflpa awards 2022 AFLPA MVP Nominees announced Zorko in my view is by far the worst representative of what a captain should look and act like. On reflection, how is it that our past 3 captains have all been really average blokes that shouldnt be anywhere having captain next to there name.
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Daemon said:
I don't want to outlive my welcome here so I'll make this my last post and you can agree or not.

They are playing the mental health card to shut down any further ramifications or debate on what Zorko said, and how the club has responded. Imo they are now trying to sweep it under the rug and move the narrative on. In 2022, the mental health card is a perfect strategy to use for such things
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Anyone who uses the term 'playing the mental health card' instantly loses all credibility, but thanks for sharing Dr Daemon.
 
NOBBYS said:
Twenty thousand dollar fine donated to Cancer Council would be a start.
Lions have lost heaps of respect in the public arena.
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I agree with that.

But there's more to this story than Zorko just being a dick and saying what he did out of nowhere.

Melbourne have said categorically they accept the apology want to move on.
 
scoman said:
What annoys me about Zorko is the fact he doesn't believe any of the crap he carries on with. He belts blokes, headlocks them, wrestles, sledges and carries on all with a stupid smile on his face, cracking jokes and so on. I'm sure he would be more well liked and respected if he showed genuine aggression and didn't back away from it with a stupid smile and a joke, pretending its the oppositions problem they cant handle it.
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And it does nothing but inspires the opposition. Every single time. I don't get why he does it because whatever effect he thinks his antics will have always has the opposite effect and is detrimental to our team. How dense is he to not get this - does he not re-watch games or can't he help himself?
 
Hollow Knight said:
I don’t agree again with your misunderstanding of the “mental health card”.

I do agree that the Lions want to move on. So does Petty and the Melbourne FC.
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This is the crux of it.

Among all the outrage and hype this morning on SEN (and no doubt on other media platforms) it took Nathan Buckley to voice the most salient point here.

That is that

1) why did the specifics of what Zorko said have to get aired at all? He said he (Buckley) didn't need to know and didn't know why anyone else needed to know.

and

2) the longer this gets played out the more hurtful it becomes for the injured party, Harrison Petty, who as he pointed out, had accepted the apology and just wanted to move on. So why can't the offended and outraged respect the wishes of the victim?

Potting Bucks for his perceived "treachery" in leaving the Bears 28 years ago has been a recurrent theme on this board but I for one, enjoy his insights and commentary on issues such as this.

It's disrespectful to Petty himself to keep dragging the issue through the public court of outrage

Zorko made an abhorrent remark and I am disgusted by it as anyone.

But can we please express our disgust/anger/displeasure with the deed rather than crucifying Zorko himself.

Somewhere on this Forum someone came up with the theory that Dane Zorko was suffering from "Small man syndrome"

Just have a think about that comment. It's the very essence of vilification. Instead of addressing the issue of the poor behavior, the focus became the physical stature of Dane Zorko, as if that was the reason for the behavior itself. Ridiculous!

Short people everywhere are now being labelled as more likely to be suffering from some kind of "syndrome"

If Dane was tall and Indigenous, would anyone be so bold as to attribute his comments as ""tall black guy syndrome"?

I'm 67 years old and I've said and done many things that I've not only regretted but been downright ashamed of. It's part of being human. We all make gross and grievous errors and misjudgments so before getting on our moral high horses, put yourself in another persons shoes and try to understand how in the heat of the moment we are all susceptible to foot in mouth disease.

Lest my comments be misinterpreted, let me say I think it's time we moved on from Dane's captaincy .He is ill disciplined and prone to brain explosions but that is entirely a different issue.

The real challenge is to find a suitable club captain who will lead by example in word and in deed.
 
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luthor said:
This is the crux of it.

Among all the outrage and hype this morning on SEN (and no doubt on other media platforms) it took Nathan Buckley to voice the most salient point here.

That is that

1) why did the specifics of what Zorko said have to get aired at all? He said he (Buckley) didn't need to know and didn't know why anyone else needed to know.

and

2) the longer this gets played out the more hurtful it becomes for the injured party, Harrison Petty, who as he pointed out, had accepted the apology and just wanted to move on. So why can't the offended and outraged respect the wishes of the victim?

Potting Bucks for his perceived "treachery" in leaving the Bears 28 years ago has been a recurrent theme on this board but I for one, enjoy his insights and commentary on issues such as this.

It's actually disrespectful to Petty himself to keep dragging the issue through the public court of outrage

Zorko made an abhorrent remark and I am disgusted by it as anyone.

But can we please express our disgust/anger/displeasure with the deed rather than crucifying Zorko himself.

Somewhere on this Forum someone came up with the theory that Dane Zorko was suffering from "Small man syndrome"

Just have a think about that comment. It's the very essence of vilification. Instead of addressing the issue of the poor behavior, the focus became the physical stature of Dane Zorko, as if that was the reason for the behavior itself. Ridiculous!

Short people everywhere are now being labelled as more likely to be suffering from some kind of "syndrome"

If Dane was tall and Indigenous, would anyone be so bold as to attribute his comments as ""tall black guy syndrome"?

I'm 67 years old and I've said and done many things that I've not only regretted but been downright ashamed of. It's part of being human. We make gross and grievous errors so before getting on our moral high horses, put yourself in another persons shoes and try to understand how in the heat of the moment we are all susceptible to foot in mouth disease.

Lest my comments be misinterpreted, let me say I think it's time we moved on from Dane's captaincy .He is ill disciplined and prone to brain explosions but that is entirely a different issue.

The real challenge is to find a suitable club captain who will lead by example in word and in deed.
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All true.

Seem to be plenty who don't mind casting the first stone.
 

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