I don't think Menzel is near ready to be in the leadership group yet, he is too petulant and drifts in and out of games. Docherty and Buckley however are definitely ready.
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Captaincy, Leadership & Marc Murphy
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Bucks (rightly or wrongly) can't seem to crack it in our best 22, no way can you lock him in the leadership group yet, even if he does display admirable traits of a leader
I know Murphy has lacked a bit of match fitness AGAIN, but for me it is more his body language as much as anything else that is a let down.
His body language is average at best IMO.
He is another player who is introverted. No wonder Mick was dying to get Thomas across.
And don't even get me started on his poor tackling ability.
I swear players from other clubs don't rate him physically. Players push off him or break his tackles like swatting flies.
His body language is average at best IMO.
He is another player who is introverted. No wonder Mick was dying to get Thomas across.
And don't even get me started on his poor tackling ability.
I swear players from other clubs don't rate him physically. Players push off him or break his tackles like swatting flies.
Club are working on his defensive game.
As for LG, agreed it is madness to suggest a player be in the LG when they arent in the team.
Yep.
This is what leaders do,quite simply they ****ing lead!.
They tell people what to do,when and how.
They get pissed when you **** up and they let you know about it.
We made a mistake appointing Murphy!.
He probably would have left and gone to Hawthorn and by seasons end had 3 flags to show for it.
This is our Captain.
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I had the misfortune of seeing that tweet of Beefy with his meat and two veg on twitter, suffice to say I am still having nightmare flashbacks about it :nad:
Also remember Kim Hughes breaking down and crying saying he didn't want to be captain in the interest of the team....
He couldn't handle the constant media and public criticism, speculation & innuendo, hopefully we don't have a similar situation !!
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He also had 3 of the biggest sporting bullies of all time in Chappell, Marsh and Lillee working against him. He never stood a chance.
Yeah... I thought that as I laid in my bed, forgot his short stint, stop gap really compared to sticks though.
Marc plays his best footy when he's fit and capable of gut running
And that's how he leads, by example
That's fine but he needs to be able to impact when he's not tip top
That's where body language and being more extroverted comes into it
Hendo lacks it as well. He lacks anger and Agro and attitude as a large forward.
If things don't roll our way we roll over.
I'm not saying Marc needs to go out and be ultra aggressive, but he's got to do something extrA to impose himself on the opposition and his team mates
When things don't go well for him and the team he appears to have little presence at all out there
Right now I'd play him on a wing and in a FP and get Cripps onball, good for both players. Marc needs to run and run and Cripps to be frank will win more contested ball right now.
Right now Marc is struggling onball what with the physicality that role demands
And that's how he leads, by example
That's fine but he needs to be able to impact when he's not tip top
That's where body language and being more extroverted comes into it
Hendo lacks it as well. He lacks anger and Agro and attitude as a large forward.
If things don't roll our way we roll over.
I'm not saying Marc needs to go out and be ultra aggressive, but he's got to do something extrA to impose himself on the opposition and his team mates
When things don't go well for him and the team he appears to have little presence at all out there
Right now I'd play him on a wing and in a FP and get Cripps onball, good for both players. Marc needs to run and run and Cripps to be frank will win more contested ball right now.
Right now Marc is struggling onball what with the physicality that role demands
I watch Murphy and I understand hes never going to be that hard as nails, physical presence that most believe is a trait you need to be a true leader. Is limited by his stature, and I get that,
Then I turn on the Melbourne Storm game and I watch Billy Slater.....
I dont want him to bust heads, I jusy want him to show in actions some guts and toughness.
Then I turn on the Melbourne Storm game and I watch Billy Slater.....
I dont want him to bust heads, I jusy want him to show in actions some guts and toughness.
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I'd love him to land a big hit and not have his season ended!
Sam Rowe for captaincy is a joke. Guy was ok at CHB last year and should be our 1st choice CHB this year but was average through pre season and round 1 due to getting thrown around. Unless he is playing CHB he is not best 22- Let him focus on learning his new role.
On Murph (My fav player, so alot of this has been hard to read) He doesnt look like a good captain from the outside looking in. People suggesting he doesnt do the little "speeches" at breaks are just looking for something to back their argument up imo- if u have ever played a sport u know more than 1 senior player will have something to say- and this makes him a bad captain?
What concerns me more than his captaincy is his severe lack of personal form since taking it over. He rarely even looks like a good player any more- Looks slow, second guessing him self. When he was made captain he was an out and out Jet of the comp. If Muph was getting 32 a week I doubt as many ppl would be questioning his captaincy. Just look as soon as we started winning last year and he found a bit of form- every one shut up. I dont think murph "looks" like a good captain but im not sure there is much choice. I like the look of hendo but would prefer him to lock down CHF forward first.
Simpson would have been ok I guess but would have came with his playing deficiencies same as carrazzo. When Murph was Chosen he was a good footballer- Im not even sure he has that so much these days.
If we could guarantee Murph would become the player he was b4 meing made captain I would happily make anybody else captain.
On Murph (My fav player, so alot of this has been hard to read) He doesnt look like a good captain from the outside looking in. People suggesting he doesnt do the little "speeches" at breaks are just looking for something to back their argument up imo- if u have ever played a sport u know more than 1 senior player will have something to say- and this makes him a bad captain?
What concerns me more than his captaincy is his severe lack of personal form since taking it over. He rarely even looks like a good player any more- Looks slow, second guessing him self. When he was made captain he was an out and out Jet of the comp. If Muph was getting 32 a week I doubt as many ppl would be questioning his captaincy. Just look as soon as we started winning last year and he found a bit of form- every one shut up. I dont think murph "looks" like a good captain but im not sure there is much choice. I like the look of hendo but would prefer him to lock down CHF forward first.
Simpson would have been ok I guess but would have came with his playing deficiencies same as carrazzo. When Murph was Chosen he was a good footballer- Im not even sure he has that so much these days.
If we could guarantee Murph would become the player he was b4 meing made captain I would happily make anybody else captain.
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Well if we want Murphy to be a confident leader.......hope he reads none of this.
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I don't buy into Murph not being able to get his game going back to AA standard. He had a bad game on Thursday night - as did most others. I am betting he bounces back - there is no doubt in my mind that he is a proud player. As for tackling - plenty of smaller blokes than Murph can be and have been fantastic tacklers in rugby - perhaps Malthouse should ask a few blokes from Storm to come in and do a clinic - the whole side needs a refresher course in how to lay a proper tackle.
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Get the ****ing Storm boys back at PP.
As Nick Maxwell has shown, you don't have to be the most talented bloke on the ground, but you've gotta be one of the hardest.
Rowe is as hard as they come.
The Rebels are already there. Get Scotty Higgenbotham or Laurie Weeks to teach them how to tackle.
Just wanna see him lock down chb. That's all
Let me preface this by saying Murph is actually an OK captain, better than OK perhaps.
Is he an inspiring leader of men? No.
But the merits of him as a captain, when there are no obvious replacements and no discernible way of replacing him as captain, are related but also separate to discussions about the lack of leaders in our club.
As an aside, those drawing parallels with various situations in cricket should be aware that in a cricket style game, Murph would in fact be an ideal captain; I would suggest his persona is not dissimilar to someone like Clarke.
As I said, Murph is OK, but not particularly memorable as a leader. There are many worse options within the walls of PP; disparagingly there are very few better options. The issues put forward about his leadership cite his introspective personality, lack of size, lack of hardness, lack of voice. Unlike a game like cricket, the captain/leaders do not really need to be thinking types - they need to have a feel for the game and a knowledge of the structures, sure, but intelligent?
Some of the great captains - Carey, Kernahan, Voss, Brown, Nicholls, Hodge, Watson for his numerous sins and many others. (I'm not saying they are of an equal standard, and I also shy away from mentioning previous recent Geelong captains, as I sense Scarlett was the real leader there, although Selwood looks to be an inspiring leader in his own right).
Now look at our list. The attribute you are looking for is POWER. People have suggested Cripps. I don't mind it; I think he would be OK, but I question his aggression and voice at this point. Henderson - size but no power and intimidation factor. Docherty speaks well, and I think would be OK, like Murphy but more vocal. Rowe and White would be interesting but not deep enough in the 22 for my liking. Whiley I have yet to see. Menzel has the arrogance but would not be inspiring at this point in time.
If I were in charge all these years ago, I would have been arranging public speaking lessons for many of the boys. It's amazing how many people are not shy about voicing their opinions when you can convince them that their opinions matter and they have the confidence to speak. Injuries aside, Kruez would have been a bloody inspiring captain if he had been taught how to speak out and pull teammates into line. You can teach this. We don't. Much of it is learned from peers. Our boys have no-one to learn from.
Yet.
Is he an inspiring leader of men? No.
But the merits of him as a captain, when there are no obvious replacements and no discernible way of replacing him as captain, are related but also separate to discussions about the lack of leaders in our club.
As an aside, those drawing parallels with various situations in cricket should be aware that in a cricket style game, Murph would in fact be an ideal captain; I would suggest his persona is not dissimilar to someone like Clarke.
As I said, Murph is OK, but not particularly memorable as a leader. There are many worse options within the walls of PP; disparagingly there are very few better options. The issues put forward about his leadership cite his introspective personality, lack of size, lack of hardness, lack of voice. Unlike a game like cricket, the captain/leaders do not really need to be thinking types - they need to have a feel for the game and a knowledge of the structures, sure, but intelligent?
Some of the great captains - Carey, Kernahan, Voss, Brown, Nicholls, Hodge, Watson for his numerous sins and many others. (I'm not saying they are of an equal standard, and I also shy away from mentioning previous recent Geelong captains, as I sense Scarlett was the real leader there, although Selwood looks to be an inspiring leader in his own right).
- Note that they are all physically quite a presence. Will not be bullied or intimidated, quite the opposite in fact.
- Note that many were not considered good enough thinkers to be tactical coaches of note. Someone like Bradley offered us a lot in terms of his ability to direct traffic, and that helps, but few would suggest he was the equal of a leader like Sticks. Nicholls the standout here.
- Fearlessness a definite attribute.
Now look at our list. The attribute you are looking for is POWER. People have suggested Cripps. I don't mind it; I think he would be OK, but I question his aggression and voice at this point. Henderson - size but no power and intimidation factor. Docherty speaks well, and I think would be OK, like Murphy but more vocal. Rowe and White would be interesting but not deep enough in the 22 for my liking. Whiley I have yet to see. Menzel has the arrogance but would not be inspiring at this point in time.
If I were in charge all these years ago, I would have been arranging public speaking lessons for many of the boys. It's amazing how many people are not shy about voicing their opinions when you can convince them that their opinions matter and they have the confidence to speak. Injuries aside, Kruez would have been a bloody inspiring captain if he had been taught how to speak out and pull teammates into line. You can teach this. We don't. Much of it is learned from peers. Our boys have no-one to learn from.
Yet.
How did I not realize my 2000th post... damn...
One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong...
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I think the amiability in this thread is a clear sign that the issue is very real. For what could be considered a divisive thread, there has been very little 'flying off the handle', ludicrous posting or even clashing (cue everyone trying to clash with this post!)... I'd almost call it mature behaviour!
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