Captaincy, Leadership & Marc Murphy

[NavyBlue5]

We all want Murph to succeed as captain, but it'll take a remarkable turn around for that to happen. It's been a couple years and he hasn't improved. We're not talking about 1 bad game here, it's ongoing. And I'm sure we want his form to improve moreso than his leadership.

Anyway, any chance of Gibbs being named captain at years end? He has been named VC with Jamo, but Jamo is older and more susceptibe to injury. Gibbs has proven to be extremely durable and his 2014 form was scintillating.

And if that were to happen would that be frowned upon?

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Sam Mitchell gave it up for Luke Hodge and Dangerfield gave it up for Tex, the clear things in this is there was a clear choice and natural leadership alternative. We simply dont have that alternative.

 

[fnm_just a man]

Sam Mitchell gave it up for Luke Hodge and Dangerfield gave it up for Tex, the clear things in this is there was a clear choice and natural leadership alternative. We simply dont have that alternative.

Correct re Sam Mitchell, but last year Van Berlo was actually captain. He just missed the season with injury so the VCs took over, I think ... The toss up this year was bw Tex and Danger with Sloane a close third alternative I presume.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Correct re Sam Mitchell, but last year Van Berlo was actually captain. He just missed the season with injury so the VCs took over, I think ... The toss up this year was bw Tex and Danger with Sloane a close third alternative I presume.

Fair point re Van Berlo. Perhaps if we have a change of coach at the end of the year it woukd be a good time to start fresh with a new skipper.

 

[fnm_just a man]

Fair point re Van Berlo. Perhaps if we have a change of coach at the end of the year it woukd be a good time to start fresh with a new skipper.

Possibly, although I'm firmly entrenched in the camp of not wanting a new coach at the end of the year.

It's a delicate situation, but if nothing changes and it remains quite obvious that our leadership is terrible, I do think that it should be able to be handled in such a way that everyone retains their dignity. Would require everyone acting their age I suppose ... sometimes that can be a lot to ask.

 

[Paulski19]

People are already talking about Voss taking over next year. I don't think it's a great idea, but what I think would be a great idea is Mick getting him down to the club to do a day here and there with the leadership group. When it comes to on field leadership, he was the best I've seen.

 

[mediumsizered]

People are already talking about Voss taking over next year. I don't think it's a great idea, but what I think would be a great idea is Mick getting him down to the club to do a day here and there with the leadership group. When it comes to on field leadership, he was the best I've seen.

I'm not sure his current employer would go along with this.

 

[El Topo]

We all want Murph to succeed as captain, but it'll take a remarkable turn around for that to happen. It's been a couple years and he hasn't improved. We're not talking about 1 bad game here, it's ongoing. And I'm sure we want his form to improve moreso than his leadership.

Anyway, any chance of Gibbs being named captain at years end? He has been named VC with Jamo, but Jamo is older and more susceptibe to injury. Gibbs has proven to be extremely durable and his 2014 form was scintillating.

And if that were to happen would that be frowned upon?

It sounds like you've forgotten just how woeful he was in the role in early 2013. The only times he looked like a leader that year were in the Hawks game before Hodge took him out, and vs Port Adelaide in the last round. He was much better last year (see: the Eagles game) and will most likely improve again this year, but the fact that he's still "growing into the role" highlights just how piss poor the choice was to overlook Simmo and Carazzo in the first place.

 

[Paulski19]

I'm not sure his current employer would go along with this.

Heh, fair point....anyway, get a similar character in. Maxwell/Mooney/Browney/etc there's a few options out there....

 

[NavyBlue5]

It sounds like you've forgotten just how woeful he was in the role in early 2013. The only times he looked like a leader that year were in the Hawks game before Hodge took him out, and vs Port Adelaide in the last round. He was much better last year (see: the Eagles game) and will most likely improve again this year, but the fact that he's still "growing into the role" highlights just how piss poor the choice was to overlook Simmo and Carazzo in the first place.

That's what I meant.

 

[mikeythemoocow]

I just want a captain that will give other players a bake on field when their effort isn't up to it. Nick Maxwell and Tom Harley were both shit baggers of the highest order but could do that.

 

[teknodeejay]

You've either got it or you don't. And Murphy... he ain't got it. He's around about Lance Whitnall and Mark Maclure in terms of great captains of the club... which isn't a nice group to be part of. If it wasn't Gibbs I'd look to someone like a Sam Rowe. That guy just comes across like a guy you'd follow into battle, doesn't take shit from no one and doesn't take a backward step when the ball is near.

But it won't happen. One can only hope Murphy makes some miraculous paradigm shift.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I agree that Rowey looks the next best option, I think another year of dominating down back, an all australian jumper and he will the man to lead us forward.

 

[GCNavyBlue]

I agree that Rowey looks the next best option, I think another year of dominating down back, an all australian jumper and he will the man to lead us forward.

Gotta play in the backline one would suspect to earn an AA down there. Seems Malthouse wants him to play CHB, Ruck and CHF all at differing stages.

 

[Dochearty]

There doesn't need to be shame attached to losing/stepping down from the captaincy. Unfortunately, most in the media would choose to report it that way though. I'm too young to remember the situation, but I believe Wayne Johnston relinquished the captaincy back in the mid-80s ...

Is anyone able to recall and explain how that unfolded, what the ramifications were.

I'm guessing there wasn't a feeling of shame attached to it; the Dominator just knew he wasn't the man for the job and acknowledged it by stepping down. He continued to play great footy and was part of the '87 flag.

Different eras, different levels of exposure etc, but I'd be curious to hear what it was like as a Carlton fan....

And I think for memory that successor was the best captain has ever had, think he might even the longest serving captain of all time that's in games played as captain.
Ladies & gentleman may I please introduce Mr. Stephen Kernahan, gun player too!

Please Marc Murphy step down, you will great footy again, I just know it, just like the dominator did. History could very well repeat.
And the new captain could come from S.A, he might be a Dangerfield, captaincy he might very well want and because of his contract situation missed out or had made it clear he didn't want the job so as he could home to victoria as a captain as part of the big bucks contract. Which club desperately needs a club captain, plays in big games/ crowds, has the cap room? Carlton.
Which other clubs would dismiss their captain for him and can offer all the above mentioned?

Oh, the irony off the Murphy/Dangerfield bump.

Just a theory/dream really.
Btw on the year sticks and braddles got drafted they say the other South Australian, was the best of the 3. Peter Motley, the few sweet memories, awesome,played well in the losing '86 GF. Best of the 3 that day.

 

[bluekidjoe]

We need to move this captaincy on as soon as another from the younger crop can take it.

Your captain instills the on-field culture. Murph has only really experienced a losing culture and an introverted captain in Judd.

With this new crop of players (i.e. Docherty, Menzel, Cripps, Jaksch) we need a leader who is uncompromising and unrelenting in the pursuit for ultimate success. Murph deep down does not appear to believe he will win a flag in his career. We need a captain who won't cop that mindset... We want a captain who would bake any teammate who doesn't want it as much as him.

We want mongrel, aggression, passion, a leader with a want to bleed for it and the assurance to team-mates that he'll be the first and there for them when they're bleeding as well.

If Murphy can't show this, and he isn't, then he must step aside.
Docherty may be ready by next season if he keeps this form and passion going.

 

[gab213]

And I think for memory that successor was the best captain has ever had, think he might even the longest serving captain of all time that's in games played as captain.
Ladies & gentleman may I please introduce Mr. Stephen Kernahan, gun player too!

Please Marc Murphy step down, you will great footy again, I just know it, just like the dominator did. History could very well repeat.
And the new captain could come from S.A, he might be a Dangerfield, captaincy he might very well want and because of his contract situation missed out or had made it clear he didn't want the job so as he could home to victoria as a captain as part of the big bucks contract. Which club desperately needs a club captain, plays in big games/ crowds, has the cap room? Carlton.
Which other clubs would dismiss their captain for him and can offer all the above mentioned?

Oh, the irony off the Murphy/Dangerfield bump.

Just a theory/dream really.
Btw on the year sticks and braddles got drafted they say the other South Australian, was the best of the 3. Peter Motley, the few sweet memories, awesome,played well in the losing '86 GF. Best of the 3 that day.

Actually, Mark Maclure replaced Johnno as captain in 1986 and then Kernahan took over from Maclure in 1987.

 

[ajb72]

To be honest Murph is lucky to be getting a game let alone being the captain. Has been woeful for ages.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

To be honest Murph is lucky to be getting a game let alone being the captain. Has been woeful for ages.

I think woeful is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Blueballs38]

In all honesty I think the pressure of being a captain has affected Murphy's game .. He has not been the same player since taking over the role.

 

[Sublime]

Clearly hasn't been woeful, we are just comparing him to 2011 Marc Murphy which was an elite year. Since that time a combo of injury and responsibility have weighed him down unfortunately. We all want to see him back up at that level again obviously.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Clearly hasn't been woeful, we are just comparing him to 2011 Marc Murphy which was an elite year. Since that time a combo of injury and responsibility have weighed him down unfortunately. We all want to see him back up at that level again obviously.

I absolutely agree that the weight of the captaincy etc has seen him go backwards from his breakout year, I just objected to the term woeful.

 

[Sublime]

He's had some fantastic games where he has been hard at it, in and under and got plenty of the ball.2013 was his worst year in a long time, and he really seemed to struggle with the extra work load and expectancy. Last year i felt he mad some really good strides forward and performed to a much higher and more consistent level. We can only hope he keeps making those steps forward.

 

[thylacine60]

I recall Ian Botham being given the captaincy of England back in the seventies. From then on he could barely get bat on ball or ball on pitch. They realized they'd ****ed up and took it off him and he roared back to his bustling, match-winning best. Does happen.

 

[jimsta10]

Being a captain or leader isn't just about the branding. Like anything, you put a person in this role you expect delivery and results regardless. My expectations of a leader is fearless but also a great communicator on every level, a person who I can look up to, a role model to be admired and a legacy that will ripple for decades to come...