Captaincy, Leadership & Marc Murphy

[fnm_just a man]

Judd was a captain who didn't really need to be as vocal as some others because his game spoke for itself, he led by example. There's an anecdote I've heard where the players went out for dinner when Judd came on board. It was either Houlihan or Thornton who ordered a burger with fries or something similar and Judd gently questioned it. All the players were a bit embarrassed and there was no more fries at the dinner table after that.
(I realise that my retelling is a tad mangled, bear with me).

I like Murphy as a player, most of the time. He loses my respect when he milks for frees or is more concerned about having a whinge than winning the ball, which doesn't happen all the time but it happens often enough. I don't think (and obviously this is just my opinion because I'm not on the team) that he is the sort of leader that would inspire the players to dig a little deeper. He'd never give Stephen Silvagni's 3/4 time address from the 99 prelim, for example. At the same time he's also not a Juddy-style leader who lifts the team by just playing the way he does.

Yeah I recall that, and I do give him credit for that aspect of his leadership. What he walked into was horrendous. Unfortunately, that type of leadership would have worked brilliantly with a good support cast - ie, others pulling players into line that weren't doing the onfield things ... But we lacked that as well.

 

[MC_Doggy_Frog18]

If murphy wasn't captain it would be Jamo or Simo but after those 3 are gone who will it be?

 

[gab213]

If murphy wasn't captain it would be Jamo or Simo but after those 3 are gone who will it be?

Docherty.

 

[JamisonRun40]

Thanks everyone for pointing that Whitnall and Kouta were the leaders at the time. I don't know why I kept thinking it was the two I mentioned. Yuk to Stevens in the leadership group. Could never stand him.

 

[fnm_just a man]

Thanks everyone for pointing that Whitnall and Kouta were the leaders at the time. I don't know why I kept thinking it was the two I mentioned. Yuk to Stevens in the leadership group. Could never stand him.

Likewise. I wonder if there was any indication of just how bad of a character he is back then. Shameful if so, but I doubt it.

 

[Sublime]

Still stand by that Carrazzo should have been captain back when the decision was made. Has all the qualities i like to see, he's physical, competitive and vocal. Always willing to have a real crack. Unfortunately that ship has sailed and we're posed with these questions.

I know it's early, but Cripps has all the onfield qualities you like to see in a captain (minus the vocal part but that will come). Loves the hard stuff and really pushes himself when he clearly doesn't have much left in the tank. Does the things that makes other players look on and want to do more themselves. Still a long way off being even considered for anything like that though, but definitely one for the future.

Really like what Docherty is showing already also. Puts himself in well.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Still stand by that Carrazzo should have been captain back when the decision was made. Has all the qualities i like to see, he's physical, competitive and vocal. Always willing to have a real crack. Unfortunately that ship has sailed and we're posed with these questions.

I know it's early, but Cripps has all the onfield qualities you like to see in a captain (minus the vocal part but that will come). Loves the hard stuff and really pushes himself when he clearly doesn't have much left in the tank. Does the things that makes other players look on and want to do more themselves. Still a long way off being even considered for anything like that though, but definitely one for the future.

Really like what Docherty is showing already also. Puts himself in well.

The answer might just be that we have our next leader amongst us already in Cripps/Docherty/Jaksch etc and we will just have to waite out our time for the next 2 years until they are experienced enough to demand the armband. I would hope that we as a footy club would be strong enough to do what Adelaide has just done with Tex Walker and that if there is a natural leader who is a better fit to lead the club to not be afraid to take it off Murphy..

 

[LordLucifer]

The answer might just be that we have our next leader amongst us already in Cripps/Docherty/Jaksch etc and we will just have to waite out our time for the next 2 years until they are experienced enough to demand the armband. I would hope that we as a footy club would be strong enough to do what Adelaide has just done with Tex Walker and that if there is a natural leader who is a better fit to lead the club to not be afraid to take it off Murphy..

Freudian slip ??

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Just rotate the captaincy each week like we did in primary school footy....

 

[Red Bull]

Just rotate the captaincy each week like we did in primary school footy....

Are you suggesting Grant Thomas as coach ??

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Just rotate the captaincy each week like we did in primary school footy....

McDonalds vouchers for everyone!

 

[JamisonRun40]

McDonalds vouchers for everyone!

Not on Juddy's watch there won't be McDonalds vouchers.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Not on Juddy's watch there won't be McDonalds vouchers.

Yep encouragement awards, great idea.

What about if you win as captain you retain it next week and get a bonus match payment....

 

[JamisonRun40]

Another way of selecting the Captain every week is by going alphabetically.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Armfield first up then, hopefully he can do a good job and hold down CHB....

Might want to get selected first also !!

 

[Azul]

Another way of selecting the Captain every week is by going alphabetically.

Puhleaze, Zach would never be captain that-away.

 

[JamisonRun40]

Azul some players might have to wait til the following year. Everyone gets a turn.

 

[RedFury]

Are you suggesting Grant Thomas as coach ??

I could be wrong, but I always thought what Thomas did was just a clever scheme to be able to trial different captains with the freedom to undo an incorrect decision without anyone thinking much of it. Similar to the "for a limited time only" slogan that companies use to trial new products. You sure as hell know that if they're successful it won't be for a 'limited time' and when that's the case nobody really bats an eyelid. Of course if they don't work out, you're just doing what you always said you would do so there's no controversy or embarrassment.

Quite clever really.

 

[Azul]

Azul some players might have to wait til the following year. Everyone gets a turn.

There are 46 players on our list and only 22 rounds.

By that measure, it'd be at least the third year. But given that we replaced a dozen players last year and most of them are named A-Y then:

Year 1: 46-22 = 24 remaining + 12 new recruits
Year 2: 36-22 = 14 remaining + 12 new recruits
Year 3: 26-22 = 4 remaining + 12 new recruits
Year 4: Zach is captain game 16.

So that's year 4 by my calculations! We'd have to recruit a few players later in the alphabet such as Zephaniah Skinner or Zane Cordy.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

What if we did backwards alphabetical?

 

[JamisonRun40]

Azul new players are not allow to be Captain, they have to be with the club for at least 12 months. I give up it was just a suggestion.

 

[AceAndy]

Another way of selecting the Captain every week is by going alphabetically.

AA approves

 

[BALKAN]

Anyone who doesn't think we have a leadership issue is batty, and it all starts with El Capitano.

It's not just his patchy form, it's just his personality type is not suited to being a captain in a sport that favours loud, fearless, boisterous types as leaders. This is not a capital crime, being an introvert is perfectly fine, but knowing what he is like he should never have taken on the role and it should never have even been offered to him. It is mind boggling that Simpson or Jamison are not our captain right now.

I won't be holding my breath for the club to acknowledge this though. Publicly they'll praise him, I really wonder what the players think of their leader though. I wonder what a newcomer to our club thought when they saw some of his half-hearted efforts on Thursday night. I doubt he'd command a lot of genuine respect from the younger boys based on that.

In a perfect world we'd be able to cut the nonsense and say"Marc, it's not working out, the players and coaches have decided we're giving the captaincy to someone else. We still love you, you're our boy, and you're still invited to the sausage sizzles" but we all know this would destroy him. Not much we can do now, except reap what we've sown.

 

[fnm_just a man]

There doesn't need to be shame attached to losing/stepping down from the captaincy. Unfortunately, most in the media would choose to report it that way though. I'm too young to remember the situation, but I believe Wayne Johnston relinquished the captaincy back in the mid-80s ...

Is anyone able to recall and explain how that unfolded, what the ramifications were.

I'm guessing there wasn't a feeling of shame attached to it; the Dominator just knew he wasn't the man for the job and acknowledged it by stepping down. He continued to play great footy and was part of the '87 flag.

Different eras, different levels of exposure etc, but I'd be curious to hear what it was like as a Carlton fan....

 

[JustaBattler]

....... Not much we can do now, except reap what we've sown.

For arguments sake though...

Is it a big ask to think that his fellow senior players and so called leaders could lift? Or how about do the natural thing that real teams do and that is the players themselves give each other a lift when required or a face full when you have done the wrong team thing?...

Leadership is not a one man show..a Captain is only as good as his team mates allow him to be...

just maybe it isn't Murph that is the problem - which one of our bigger blokes has ever evened things up for Murph?..when was the last time you saw a Carlton player - go hard at the opposition team's Captain? Your Captain doesn't have to be the one with mongrel - he can be the one with brains..but where is his support..

no mate - Murph is an easy target - I didn't like his game on Thursday at all - and it underlined some of the stuff I don't like about Murphy - free seeking, missed tackles...running behind his opponent..forget marshalling the troops if your own game is so poor...

I really feel for the bloke - he has a really tough job to do - just to lift his own game - based on all the criticism he has probably copped...
How Murph handles the next few games - maybe just maybe how he bounces back

might actually be the making of him as a Captain - if he bounces back to career best form...well that is a Captaincy earned and he will take the troops with him.

I've got my fingers crossed for him and if forced to lay a bet - I bet he does bounce back.