Captaincy, Leadership & Marc Murphy

[Sharks On A Plane]

One player who has the right mix of leadership qualities (courage, aggression, mongrel, understanding of the game, voice) is Simon White.

Obviously he's pretty highly rated internally but I doubt we'd have the courage to make a Richie Vandenberg-esque appointment.

 

[thylacine60]

Never even gave him a thought. Interesting........

 

[__Bobcat__]

Never even gave him a thought. Interesting........

Too Busy Liking, Rodney Err Patrick Dangerfield POSTS..............

 

[JustaBattler]

Before people ask for a new Captain - they better know what brand of football Carlton stand for. Right now it is an unaccountable mish mash of Malthousisms - that mean nothing and add up to even less. No captain can be an effective force under current circumstances. There is no game plan.

Carlton doesn't have an executable team based game - every facet of play smacks of individualism and opportunism. There is no venom in our attack or our defense. The midfield is disorganised and out of sync with each other - and no one knows where they should be or what they should be doing - it is all reactionary and slow and predictable.

Carlton needs galvanising forces of competitiveness spread around the ground which demand organised accountability and cover for inevitable errors. This is called 'structure'. Malthouse's contribution to the question of structure is to ignore the need for a spine that is competitive and a game plan which forces team play and accountability.

Leave Murphy alone to get his personal game going - the so called Captaincy issue is a silly answer to the real questions. Murphy stuffed up by running behind his direct opponents all night and missing a few tackles - others stuffed up just as much.

Malthouse has done a lot of good things at Carlton - however he is mucking around with too many players as far as switching them around and expecting them to be champions in various roles. He is a very ego-centric type coach - he talks team but in fact builds relationships with individuals - and judges them on different standards and benchmarks - depending on his mood.

Jamison Rowe Kreuzer Henderson Casboult - leave them to play every game - exactly in these positions and STOP fart arsing around Malthouse!
Yarran, Gibbs, Judd, Murphy, Menzel - are your attacking weapons Malthouse - let them do whatever they like to set up or score goals- that is what the game is about Malthouse.
Everyone above is a 'captain'

Everyone else is role playing support to these two groups - they either help the structure and the play makers and match winners - or they don't play.

 

[thylacine60]

Before people ask for a new Captain - they better know what brand of football Carlton stand for. Right now it is an unaccountable mish mash of Malthousisms - that mean nothing and add up to even less. No captain can be an effective force under current circumstances. There is no game plan.

Carlton doesn't have an executable team based game - every facet of play smacks of individualism and opportunism. There is no venom in our attack or our defense. The midfield is disorganised and out of sync with each other - and no one knows where they should be or what they should be doing - it is all reactionary and slow and predictable.

Carlton needs galvanising forces of competitiveness spread around the ground which demand organised accountability and cover for inevitable errors. This is called 'structure'. Malthouse's contribution to the question of structure is to ignore the need for a spine that is competitive and a game plan which forces team play and accountability.

Leave Murphy alone to get his personal game going - the so called Captaincy issue is a silly answer to the real questions. Murphy stuffed up by running behind his direct opponents all night and missing a few tackles - others stuffed up just as much.

Malthouse has done a lot of good things at Carlton - however he is mucking around with too many players as far as switching them around and expecting them to be champions in various roles. He is a very ego-centric type coach - he talks team but in fact builds relationships with individuals - and judges them on different standards and benchmarks - depending on his mood.

Jamison Rowe Kreuzer Henderson Casboult - leave them to play every game - exactly in these positions and STOP fart arsing around Malthouse!
Yarran, Gibbs, Judd, Murphy, Menzel - are your attacking weapons Malthouse - let them do whatever they like to set up or score goals- that is what the game is about Malthouse.
Everyone above is a 'captain'

Everyone else is role playing support to these two groups - they either help the structure and the play makers and match winners - or they don't play.

Is it National Miss The ****ing Point Week?

 

[fnm_just a man]

Those guys doing whatever they like is part of the reason teams find it so easy to repel agains us ...

 

[JustaBattler]

Is it National Miss The ******* Point Week?

prolly

 

[JamisonRun40]

Sorry but I don't consider Murphy our best player. I thought Jamo turned down the Captaincy because he was having shoulder problems and wanted to get healthy which meant spending more time in rehab. With Carazzano he was injured so that would of been useless. I don't seen why they couldn't given Simpson the Captaincy for two to three years and have Carazzano and Murphy as vice captains.

This all very moot and has been discussed in threads for the past two years. We are stuck with Murphy for another three years or until he decides to step down.

 

[RAPPA]

If you're not going to have a vocal force on the field, then allocate the captaincy to someone who leads by example. Murphy is neither. Judd was and is the consummate professional and fits into the latter category. Simpson, another workhorse, may well have been the more ideal successor to Judd. Murphy has flunked in his tenure as captain and his performances are indicative of such.
The 'captain' is no longer the best player in the team, but the main driver. Admittedly, I'm not well informed of who is the vocal initiator at training, but on match day, I don't see much coming from Murphy.
Hes a good player, but not a leader.
Is Braddles still going?

 

[thylacine60]

Turns out Simmo is useless with the kids and the autograph stuff. Just can't cop it.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Sakc Carrazzano.

 

[alfo]

From what I can gather by watching on TV, Juddy is still the one who gives the rev up speeches before/during games.
A clear indication of a leader, and a worrying sign that Murph just isn't stepping up within his role. Is it a lack of respect from the players to Murph? or more a case of a huge amount of respect for Juddy?

At the moment, it just seems as though we have no real stand out player who will:
a) already is/become a beast of a player and a nightmare for oppositions
and
b) will be the captain our club needs.

 

[RAPPA]

Murphy needs a man cave and a missus that hosts the weather segment.

 

[Paulski19]

I don't think he is a diver, just weak and gets pushed aside to easily, have a look at the physical size of murf now compared to pre Dangerfield bump, he is noticeably smaller.

As to comparing him with other leaders, I didn't, but you have contradicted yourself in comparing him to Hodge and Selwood. Each to their own though.

I didn't contradict anything. I was merely point out why it's ridiculous to compare their captaincy style/traits considering they're such different players.

 

[thylacine60]

From what I can gather by watching on TV, Juddy is still the one who gives the rev up speeches before/during games.
A clear indication of a leader, and a worrying sign that Murph just isn't stepping up within his role. Is it a lack of respect from the players to Murph? or more a case of a huge amount of respect for Juddy?

At the moment, it just seems as though we have no real stand out player who will:
a) already is/become a beast of a player and a nightmare for oppositions
and
b) will be the captain our club needs.

Murph gives plenty of pre-match revs. I'm sure he says some good stuff.

 

[andrew_]

Murphy needs to watch Hodge's performance today. Vocal, imposing and tough as nails.

 

[JamisonRun40]

Sorry Simpson and Carazzano also give the talks at half time. I also don't see Murphy gathering the team together at half time and give them a kick up the backside and lead back down the race.

 

[alfo]

Sorry Simpson and Carazzano also give the talks at half time. I also don't see Murphy gathering the team together at half time and give them a kick up the backside and lead back down the race.

Probably more to my point, Murph just isn't tough enough on the players. I just don't picture him as the kind of bloke who would give a spray to the players when they f*** up.

Cam Mooney said on the radio, Tom Hawkins is that kind of person as well. Won't go and spray a teammate if he isn't passed the ball one out. Both sound like they need to harden up!

 

[RAPPA]

Probably more to my point, Murph just isn't tough enough on the players. I just don't picture him as the kind of bloke who would give a spray to the players when they f*** up.

Cam Mooney said on the radio, Tom Hawkins is that kind of person as well. Won't go and spray a teammate if he isn't passed the ball one out. Both sound like they need to harden up!

In Hawkins' defence, he does look like he could eat the guilty teammate in question

 

[alfo]

In Hawkins' defence, he does look like he could eat the guilty teammate in question

Yeah it would definitely only take one spray from him for me to kick the ball to him every time. One bloke I wouldn't want to get on the bad side of!

 

[Paulski19]

Murphy needs to watch Hodge's performance today. Vocal, imposing and tough as nails.

And he spends a large portion of the game sitting behind the ball, able to see how his team is setting up and change things as he sees fit. Murph is at the coal face and doesn't see what Hodge sees.

Reality is, there are 3 or 4 teams with a captain that captains like Hodge. Most of them are doing what Murph does, and that's just tossing the coin, playing their guts out and then doing a bunch of interviews.

 

[thylacine60]

fair call - I think Hodge pretty much has a green light to go where the shit-fights are - Hird was similar

 

[fnm_just a man]

Some worryingly defeatist attitudes popping up in here ... If it's not working, it's not a matter of well, regardless we have to wait till Murphy steps down or retires... It's a matter of someone having the balls to make the decision that's best for the Club.

 

[thylacine60]

what's defeatist about calling the skipper out, really long username I'm ****ed if I can abbreviate?

 

[Dochearty]

I didn't contradict anything. I was merely point out why it's ridiculous to compare their captaincy style/traits considering they're such different players.

Captains traits aren't that different...
Let's reword that
Leaders( this what a captain is meant to be) traits are the same, only difference is no matter what, every person is unique so that's the only minor difference in personality.