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Roast Cardinal George Pell retains honorary role at Richmond
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Attack the argument, don't impugn the motive.
I think it is fair to say this thread is going nowhere. Also as it is discussing an ongoing court case it is totally inappropriate. Mods please shut it down. The issue can be discussed post the Judge delivering a verdict.
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That was his argument.
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I had no idea this bloke had any association with our footy club. I was about as impressed as I was when I heard that Andrew Bolt supported Richmond.
Speaking of Bolt, I reckon his BF username might be featured in this thread given his staunch defence of Pell and his scorn for the ABC in his rag the HS.
His current issues aside, Pell led an organisation in Australia that protected numerous priests that have ruined vulnerable peoples lives and that of their families. It wasn't until the evidence, media exposure and suicides became an avalanche that they acknowledged a problem. Imagine how much people like Pell actually know that they're not sharing......
Speaking of Bolt, I reckon his BF username might be featured in this thread given his staunch defence of Pell and his scorn for the ABC in his rag the HS.
His current issues aside, Pell led an organisation in Australia that protected numerous priests that have ruined vulnerable peoples lives and that of their families. It wasn't until the evidence, media exposure and suicides became an avalanche that they acknowledged a problem. Imagine how much people like Pell actually know that they're not sharing......
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I received information several months ago from a credible source (a health professional who is working with alleged victims of Pell). Without going into specific details which would break client confidentiality, this person mentioned that there was compelling evidence against Pell on the paedophilia charges. Actually was very animated about Pell's guilt. It is definitely not a witch hunt there is strong evidence against Pell on the sexual offences he is accused off.
On your point about no reports about Pell's peadophilia, I too find it a strange that the police have taken so long to charge him. As I've posted there have been more than 200 catholic clergy charged since the mid 90s. There are no shortage of victims willing to testify. Thank goodness.
To be honest I knew Pell had played for Richmond and so, regretfully, I accepted his history with RFC but I wasn't aware he had any position at the club.. After his testimony at the R/Commission I would have terminated his association with the club. To my mind, Pell being innocent or guilty of these current charges does not affect his true crime, during his days as Archbishop of Melbourne and the way he dealt with sex abuse charges against his clergy.
The club ending its association with Pell is not the same situation as the way it should respond when a player is involved. In cases like Milne etc, I fully agree innocence until proven guilty.
On the revoking memberships/abandoning people issue: Clubs are revoking memberships of people who misbehave at the footy. Call out racist comments etc. I wouldn't be against RFC revoking Pell's membership and make a cause of it. AFL & clubs are campaining against domestic violence, LGBTI rights, racism etc.
That to me would be strong culture
You don't want to read it fine. No one is forcing you to. The issue of Pell and RFC is more than the current court case.
I would compel all to watch the movie "Spotlight" which recreates true events in Boston. Great movie too. It shows how huge this problem really is.....
Be sure to read the bits at the end which made my jaw drop....even further.
Be sure to read the bits at the end which made my jaw drop....even further.
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Richmond would be hypocritical to remove Pell while under investigation when we didn't do the same for Dusty during the chopstick incident.
We are a football club. We have no part to play in the criminal justice system. If guilt is determined then we can act.
We are a football club. We have no part to play in the criminal justice system. If guilt is determined then we can act.
Yes, true, but he is already guilty of doing nothing to expose those other guilty priests by his own admission. Also, I cannot equate an alleged single enraged episode of a drunken footballer to the allegations of systematic paedophilia by someone who is supposedly representing God. The latter involves many witnesses too, not just the ravings of a story chasing media person. They aren't even in the same universe.
Well I was raised a catholic in Ballarat and went to St Pat's...we all knew stuff back then.
The club should of quietly canned him last year anyway...not because the jungle drums were all over his personal investigations...moreso because the Australian organisation he was #1 head man in had played a substantial contribution to the need for us taxpayers via the Federal Government having to create a $500m payment bucket for people abused. As far as I'm concerned, anyone of the Australian Catholic Church executive during the years investigated by the Royal Commission has no place in civilised society.
The club should of quietly canned him last year anyway...not because the jungle drums were all over his personal investigations...moreso because the Australian organisation he was #1 head man in had played a substantial contribution to the need for us taxpayers via the Federal Government having to create a $500m payment bucket for people abused. As far as I'm concerned, anyone of the Australian Catholic Church executive during the years investigated by the Royal Commission has no place in civilised society.
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He was my grade 5 and 6 footy coach at Villa.
I never heard anything about him personally Baz...but geez Best & Ridsdale...I played footy with a few St Paul's lads.
It comes down to these joker's putting Canon Law ahead of Australian Law...the pure arrogance of them..."forgiving" fellow members of possible actions that Mr Joe Public has to explain to a jury of 12 in the Supreme Court.
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Never, ever heard anything about Pell, and that's why its a surprise to me and many I know. Stuff like this doesn't occur without rumours and whispers and there were zero concerning him. For that reason I'm putting money on him being not guilty.
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Oh dear, a credible health professional breaks clients confidentiality to tell you Pell is guilty as sin.
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Extremely well put, the club needs to shed its jelly backbone, they are quick to promote causes but are letting this one go through to the keeper..
Very well summed up
True, he will be personally either guilty or not soon enough. But his organisation is a failure & he has zero professional credibility. I see no reason he should be an Honorary Representative of our club
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There's no evidence, repeat, NO actual evidence he played at any level at our club.
Maybe in a spiritual sense...
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Absolutely correct, it's his word that he played, there is nothing in the past records at the club of him actually playing, may have attended a training session, but that's it.
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