Carlton’s soul exorcised, I am disappointed

[Thrawn]

I apologise for dragging you through my post but mate, there is a reason why supporters have been carrying on like they have.

Oh most certainly. I don't think I need to explain it any further outside my OP, though.

Don't let fellow supporters get to you.

It's hard not to, passion does that to you.

Either way, I will voice out my thoughts. Even if it makes me look like a drama queen.

 

[Lukesta63]

Shaun Grigg was a top 20 pick. Had we won an extra game last year we wouldn't have had him. Last year I supported us winning the entire year, not once did I want us to lose a game. However the situation was very different, two top 3 picks were not up for grabs.

Put it all into a bit of perspective. We go into next season with a greater chance of having a gun youngster.

Forget perspective brother,it's simple ...today ,you lot preferred Carlton to lose and not to win!!

 

[XXX KINGS]

Again missed the point, this is all about wanting to see you side lose and throw all pride and respect out the window.

Are you so stupid that you can't see why carlton supporters would not want to win tonights game? Did you respect us before tonight and all of a sudden because we decided to look towards the future we lost your admiration? I don't respect your side any more or less for winning an extra game and missing Daniel Wells.

Again put any slant you want on it, it was a disgrace, your club should have a go at them.

Do you want a hug?

But you wanted to see them lose..and you called me a hypocrite

Go and keep on fighting your battle o'noble soldier.

 

[NimChief]

Carlton ripped the heart out of Fitzroy, and they almost did it to North and Sydney too.

Let their "soul be exorcised". They deserve it.

Karma.

 

[XXX KINGS]

It's hard not to, passion does that to you.

Either way, I will voice out my thoughts. Even if it makes me look like a drama queen.

When my team loses 10 games in a row my outlook tends to look towards the next season

Trust me, Carlton are heading in the right direction.

 

[trueblue_91]

Oh most certainly. I don't think I need to explain it any further outside my OP, though.



It's hard not to, passion does that to you.

Either way, I will voice out my thoughts. Even if it makes me look like a drama queen.

Thawn mate i 100% agree with you. I may be young but these last few years have been horrible. Who gives a **** about picks I just want too see my team win.

 

[scorpion2466]

There is no way you can sugar coat loss of pride.

In two years time all will be forgotten. Pride will be restored. Just like Collingwood in 2005 when they lost 10 games in a row to secure Thomas and Pendlebury, just like Hawthorn in 2004 when they tanked half a season to secure Franklin and Roughead, just like Richmond in the same year who lost 14 straight to secure Deledio and Tambling and just like your Saints who used the system to secure players of the calibre of Riewoldt, Koschitzke, Ball, Dal Santo, Hayes as well as ready made players like Gehrig and Hamill.
Don't worry about pride mate. I have seen my club win 8 premierships and in that time I have not seen St.Kilda win one. I was born a month after you won your first in 1966. Sorry but I just missed it.

 

[XXX KINGS]

Thawn mate i 100% agree with you. I may be young but these last few years have been horrible. Who gives a **** about picks I just want too see my team win.

Every Carlton supporter at tonight's game wants to see us win a premiership.

And that **** draft picks attitude is why we have been so shit for 6 years.

 

[ShepBoy]

Carlton

The gift that keeps on giving over and over again.

The most unsuccessful team of the 21st century.

 

[trueblue_91]

Every Carlton supporter at tonight's game wants to see us win a premiership.

And that **** draft picks attitude is why we have been so shit for 6 years.

The thing is not all great players are from top draft picks, most are but we are where we are because our recruiting was terrible in the late 1990s. Not to do with top draft picks.

 

[Thrawn]

And that **** draft picks attitude is why we have been so shit for 6 years.

Is it?

Unless you want to elaborate on this?

 

[scorpion2466]

It amazes me more how people like you think that an extra PP or high draft pick is going to achieve the same result.

In the long run it will. Not straight away. The Lions can thank the Bad News Bears for their 3 premierships.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Carlton used to be a club that emphasised passion and pride, above all else. Even the odd touch of arrogance was there but it was there for a reason because we used to be respected and feared. Now I see my club in its current state, struggling for the past six years and barely showing a whimper. It hurts my mind. It hurts my soul. What have we become, that even our very own supporters wished for a spoon earlier this week just to get one place higher in the draft, and/or an extra pick? What has made this club so great over the best part of a hundred years is that it had pride, passion and the will to win. Even when the odds were great against us and the wins would do nothing for the seasons in question.

Call me an old school supporter if you will, but I do not believe a PP or any draft pick for that matter is worth destroying this pride for. The general idea of dropping games for one extra teenager who may or may not even turn out a superstar is quite disgusting, and embraces a losing mentality. Such a mentality should not be exposed to the younger playing group because such attitudes destroy confidence, it destroys their own belief that the club can go places with them contributing.

It also destroys cultures.

I admit that the PP will help, to an extent, but there have been many overly optimistic and even ridiculous claims. He will be the best player in the competition, he will be a 200 gamer, he will set us back 5 years if we miss him, he will instantly inspire those around him, he will turn water into wine, etc. But I am being a realist here – well, I think I am… this teenager may have a lot of potential but he has never played at senior level. He will need to be developed properly, in a good environment and nurtured by people who know what they are doing. All in all though, he will be a fresh fish and a nervous one at that, with the pressure of the entire club and supporter base on his shoulders. The bright white hope, at 18 years of age, taking the team and the club off the bottom - what expectation. I feel incredibly sorry for the kid. It is no good introducing kids in a team that thinks losing is OK – what good will that do to his confidence? What chance does he have to develop properly or at a faster rate when his team mates don’t give a damn about the jumper? Any kid will find it very hard to perform if he gets little support and is down on confidence, no matter how talented he is.

Is a single PP worth destroying our soul over? I don’t think it is – in fact, I think we can build a good team and have some success without the PP. Yes it will help, but retaining our pride and missing out won’t ruin our future. After all, it is only one individual. It all comes back to the players and the club having the right attitude – a winning one, like Carlton of old. Only then will we start seeing success if we begin to cut out this rot. I think we have a good young core already, and we can build on that. But some of the attitudes represented on this site disgusts me – one supporter even had a go with me for cheering for a win, and singing the song loudly if we do. So this is what we have become… over one pick? Using the excuse of tanking no doubt, which I think is simply an excuse supporters like to use to justify why their team is so crap. I don’t believe for a nanosecond players want to tank – they want to win. The Essendon game is proof in itself, just look at their genuine reactions at losing. Kouta can have his opinion on losing (seeing his reactions after losing, I don’t think he likes it either), so can Rhys-Jones – but I don’t think such talk would’ve been tolerated 10 years ago. I wonder what other legends like Nicholls, Doull, Southby, etc would think. Would they have supported losing? I’d assume not.

Opposition supporters can talk about us tanking all they want, but I am in the belief that you’re either good enough to win or you’re not. And those of you who think Carlton supporters here have no pride – well, you’re wrong. At least some of us do. If we are in the same position next year, I will be fighting the same fight.

Pride. Passion. Never let that go.

Thank **** there's still some Carlton supporters who act like Carlton supporters. The rest of you are carrying on like you're orphaned or suffering from a terminal illness. Toughen the **** up!

 

[XXX KINGS]

Is it?

Unless you want to elaborate on this?

How many 'quick fixes' have we attempted to make by throwing away our top draft picks for O'reilly's, Mansfields, Mckernan's etc etc.

We totally flushed our future down the toilet when we continually removed ourselves from the top 30 picks in the draft. There are always gems late in the draft but you need a few gimme picks as well in order to build a team. We would never be in this situation if we had some solid 25-28 year olds to carry us.

 

[The Fireman]

In two years time all will be forgotten. Pride will be restored.

Not a chance in hell, the poor performance displayed by some of you people will be remembered for a very long time...a very long time.

 

[XXX KINGS]

The thing is not all great players are from top draft picks, most are but we are where we are because our recruiting was terrible in the late 1990s. Not to do with top draft picks.

Every club can recruit poorly if the only draft selections they have start after pick 30. Most late picks are hit and miss for all clubs. If we had have kept some earlier picks in 1999 and 2001 and invested more money in recruiting we might actually have recruited some good players.

 

[Thrawn]

How many 'quick fixes' have we attempted to make by throwing away our top draft picks for O'reilly's, Mansfields, Mckernan's etc etc.

We totally flushed our future down the toilet when we continually removed ourselves from the top 30 picks in the draft. There are always gems late in the draft but you need a few gimme picks as well in order to build a team. We would never be in this situation if we had some solid 25-28 year olds to carry us.

I agree with you.

But it's not entirely because of the "**** picks" attitude. That's why I questioned it in the first place.

Had we not wasted them or perhaps traded them wisely, we may not be in this position. But then again, other factors need to be taken into account too.

 

[trueblue_91]

Every club can recruit poorly if the only draft selections they have start after pick 30. Most late picks are hit and miss for all clubs. If we had have kept some earlier picks in 1999 and 2001 and invested more money in recruiting we might actually have recruited some good players.

yes maybe but a club does not need 3 no 1 picks to be a succesfull club.

Recruiting in the latter stages is just as important

 

[RICHO: A GOD AMONGST MEN]

Who is the more loyal, passionate supporter?

One who believes his club should win at all costs?

Or one who is prepared to endure the pain of humiliating losses in the belief that it will best serve the long-term interests of the club?

 

[XXX KINGS]

yes maybe but a club does not need 3 no 1 picks to be a succesfull club.

Recruiting in the latter stages is just as important

Obviously, but are you honestly going to sit here and tell me that when our season record looks like 4-16, that you would rather we play Teague and Mclaren and win our last two games than play Hampson and Jamison and lose but give them some experience?

We will get early picks now as well as late picks, we have greater chance at picking a gun or two. Hopefully we can also get some late gems like a Kade Simpson to complement a Krezuer.

 

[trueblue_91]

Obviously, but are you honestly going to sit here and tell me that when our season record looks like 4-16, that you would rather we play Teague and Mclaren and win our last two games than play Hampson and Jamison and lose but give them some experience?

We will get early picks now as well as late picks, we have greater chance at picking a gun or two. Hopefully we can also get some late gems like a Kade Simpson to complement a Krezuer.

No i wouldn't but still i would like too see our team give 100% and win games instead of losing.

We may not be good enough to win, but as long as we give 100% i am in some way satisfied. And this hasn't happened these last few weeks

 

[XXX KINGS]

I agree with you.

But it's not entirely because of the "**** picks" attitude. That's why I questioned it in the first place.

Had we not wasted them or perhaps traded them wisely, we may not be in this position. But then again, other factors need to be taken into account too.

Our poor use of the draft is why we are where we are at. Of course our development has been terrible but even Jesus wouldn't be able to turn Trent Sporn into a James Hird.

 

[Mad Dog]

Good post Thrawn.

For those of us that "love to hate" the most traditional Victorian Clubs......it really is sad to see them embarrassing themselves as they have this year.

We love to beat the best - and we always want the best fighting at their peak. Let's hope Carlton can go forward from here - and let's hope the AFL can pull their heads out of their arses and remove the incentives to fail that are in place at the moment.

Our game deserves better than what the AFL have delivered this year.

Keep the faith Thrawn......

 

[Thrawn]

Our poor use of the draft is why we are where we are at. Of course our development has been terrible but even Jesus wouldn't be able to turn Trent Sporn into a James Hird.

No, but he might have turned him into an Andrew Carrazzo.

If poor development was a big factor then wouldn't some of the higher draft picks also suffer? All I'm saying is that our poor use of the draft isn't the only reason.

 

[XXX KINGS]

No i wouldn't but still i would like too see our team give 100% and win games instead of losing.

We may not be good enough to win, but as long as we give 100% i am in some way satisfied. And this hasn't happened these last few weeks

I don't think any club that has missed out on the 8 gave 100% this weekend. This being for the simple reason that there is no real motivation to win without prospect of playing finals, which is what it is all about.

The players out there still tried and that is all you can ask. We had fielded the 7th youngest side in the competition's history tonight. Just look forward to next season which I started doing a couple of weeks ago. This year has been a shambles.