Carlton Exposed

[Military_man]

I was at the game and whilst I thought Carlton were pretty good, the OP has a few valid points.

Gibbs and Murphy were pretty disappointing for players of their calibre - they have both played close to or over 100 games, they just don't damage high quality opposition enough.

Lack of a key forward is really costing Carlton, Hampson is a liability, just not a footballer for mine. Waite is ok when he gets a run at it but doesn't really have a presence that most good key forwards do. Besides, they both can't kick for goal to save themselves. They really need to do whatever it takes to fast track Henderson.

I agree with you on the Hampson statement. He can't mark and can't kick he is no good in front of goals but he rucks well. Be good when kruiser returns. Hampson can return to the Bullants then so he can sharpen up his skills and learn how to catch a oblong shaped ball.

 

[CrippsonBlue]

If the OP were so confident in his assertions, perhaps he should have waited until we play someone other than the standout team of the competition.

For anyone that watched the game, we clearly didn't get exposed on much, unless it's somehow a shocking revelation that we got exposed as not being as good as the no.1 team.

Bombers fans seems to think they are now a top 8 team, in which case they should be able to beat the 8th placed team from last year. Carlton fans seem to think we can move into top 6, top 4 territory, in which case we should be able to do away with the Bombers.

This game didn't expose any team, however Carlton v Essendon next week certainly will, irrespective of the margin.

 

[The New Breid]

Why not.. He was by far the best player on the ground last night. heaps better then that hack Swan .

Shaw and Blair were both comfortably better than Judd.

 

[Silvagnis]

Gibbs was as good as Pendlebury who he played on.

I can recall Murphy getting involved as much as Swan who had nearly twice the possessions.

We just had a crap game plan. Too much farting about in the back half which played right into the Pies hands. Too expose the Pies you need rapid ball movement, preferably by foot. Move it quickly out of the back and bang it long into the forward 50 to a one on one. When ever we did that it more often than not resulted in a score, however we did it far too infrequently.

The structure was poor. The Pies had 18 uncontested inside fifties to Carlton's six. The side will improve once they get Henderson and Kreuzer back as lead up targets. Their absence was arguably one of the reasons why we slowed it down and didn't move it on quickly. I didn't see Hammer, Warnock, Walker, Betts and Waite getting up the ground all that often. I don't know if they were instructed to stay back or they chose to. Hampson will be a better option as a resting ruck if Reid is getting Henderson or Waite.

For mine, Carrazzo is the weakest link. Need Mclean or Lucas who can kick and move it on quickly in traffic. Carrazzo could have been subbed for Collins with Walker moving into the middle. We lacked run and spread from the stoppages. Even Joseph could play Carrazzo's role, but take them on and move it on instead of slowing it down.

 

[Military_man]

Shaw and Blair were both comfortably better than Judd.

Judd played better then that Shaw i aint sure how Shaw got that medal.. Was Tony Shaw the one voting on who gets it. Blair should have got it with the 5 goals he kicked. But Judd worked harder and played better then both them two guys. It will show on brownlow medal night.

 

[Military_man]

Gibbs was as good as Pendlebury who he played on.

I can recall Murphy getting involved as much as Swan who had nearly twice the possessions.

The structure was poor. The Pies had 18 uncontested inside fifties to Carlton's six. The side will improve once they get Henderson and Kreuzer back as lead up targets. Their absence was arguably one of the reasons why we slowed it down and didn't move it on quickly. I didn't see Hammer, Warnock, Walker, Betts and Waite getting up the ground all that often. I don't know if they were instructed to stay back or they chose to. Hampson will be a better option as a resting ruck if Reid is getting Henderson or Waite.

For mine, Carrazzo is the weakest link. Need Mclean or Lucas who can kick and move it on quickly in traffic. Carrazzo could have been subbed for Collins with Walker moving into the middle. We lacked run and spread from the stoppages. Even Joseph could play Carrazzo's role, but take them on and move it on instead of slowing it down.

Unfortunately for us Carrazzo will never get subbed because he is well liked by Ratts . He favours his mates over what is best for the Carlton football club.. Hopefully come next season Malthouse will be coaching Carlton.. The wheels are already in place having acouple of Micky's mates on the coaching team at Carlton.

 

[Scott Emberton]

I doubt I have ever agreed with the OP before but I reckon he's onto something here.

Was at the game and ALL the way home listened to Carlton supporters ringing up saying how happy they were this this 28 pont loss - how Pies really only played 10minutes of superior footy in the 2nd - otherwise they were even.

Let's cut to the chase - there was NO ONE in the ground - including the Carlton players - who ever believed Carlton were half a chance at any stage. They were basically smashed all over the ground - the disappointment is that Pies didn't captilaise on dominence and put them to the sword on the score board. A touch of smart bum footy from Sidebottom and others didn't help but basically we barely got out of third gear. Gibb and Murphy were average. No serious key forwards. Lucky Cloke and Dawes didn't kick 5 each. Ben Johnson and Heath Shaw basically controlled the game and did anything they felt like.

flattering scoreboard - Bombers will smash them.

Judd - great player - appalling level of umpire support - will not add to his premiership medals with this lot but prob win at least one more brownlow regardless of team results. His miss from 35 straight in front at a critical time was very poor for a skipper

 

[johncitizen]

MM will never coach Carlton..In your dreams...Director of coaching at Pies more like it

 

[Knight Ryders]

Gibbs is the perfect link man, the modern day Nigel Lappin. Why on earth does he play negative roles? Dumb coaching in my opinion. Surely there are plenty of hacks of can't kick the pill half as good as Gibbs that could stand alongside Pendlebury and the like.

 

[Zahki]

Unfortunately for us Carrazzo will never get subbed because he is well liked by Ratts . He favours his mates over what is best for the Carlton football club.. Hopefully come next season Malthouse will be coaching Carlton.. The wheels are already in place having acouple of Micky's mates on the coaching team at Carlton.

Eddie will never let that happen in a million years.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Pies kicked a lot of freak goals out of packs last night to keep us at arms length. The free against Russell in the goalsquare was a heartbreaker also.

Collingwood were the better side overall and deserved to win, but I didn't think Carlton got 'exposed'. Just a good contest!

Going to be a ripping game next time around!

 

[Military_man]

You obsessed with brownlow much bro.Keep winning those individual awards and we'll continue to win games and play finals

Firstly im not your bro. Anyone that supports feralwood aint my bro. Great players are marked by the brownlow . How many times have you heard this statement. Wayne Carey was one of the best players of his era but never won a brownlow. Why do they say that every time someone mentions Carey as a great player. Its because individually everyone is guaged by a Brownlow. Team wise well we have won more Premierships then you guys. So we don't need to brag about that. Yes collingwood is the side to beat at the moment and i don't think many will this season but you can't stay at the top forever just ask Geelong. the higher you climber the harder you fall.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Gibbs is the perfect link man... Why on earth does he play negative roles? Dumb coaching in my opinion. Surely there are plenty of hacks of can't kick the pill half as good as Gibbs that could stand alongside Pendlebury and the like.

Absolutely spot on. Couldn't help but groan when I saw this match up.

I'm sure there's a Coaching 101 manual somewhere that warns against using your most skilled playmaker as a tagger. You just don't do it.

 

[Zahki]

Teaching role. Ratten was showing Gibbs how hard our best midfielder works and what level he needs to get to.

 

[True Bluebagger]

If Carlton had one reliable semi elite tall forward and one reliable semi elite tall defender they would be a consistent top 4 side.

The wonder Chris Judd has done for Carlton has been somewhat undone with Josh Kennedy coming back to Western Australia. Kennedy in that side would have made Carlton a real force.

I would have to agree with you on what you think the Blues need.

Last yr. I said to my C/Wood mate that if we had Harry O'B. and Dawes are in our team, we would be top 4 and on the way up.

 

[Military_man]

Eddie will never let that happen in a million years.

Do you really think Malthouse will stay at Collingwood and work under a inferior coach to him .. Especially if the Pies win the Grand Final this year.. If there is coaching jobs available somewhere else he will go. He already stated Buckley didn't agree with the current game plan in which the Pies won the premiership with that game plan. Serious there is already discontent between Buckley and Malthouse. Malthouse won't be a Collingwood next year mark my words. Unless he is the coach.If he doesn't coach Carlton then he will be coaching another Victorian club.

 

[sidebum]

Absolutely spot on. Couldn't help but groan when I saw this match up.

I'm sure there's a Coaching 101 manual somewhere that warns against using your most skilled playmaker as a tagger. You just don't do it.

Gibbs would be up there with Goddard if he was used correctly. I'm just grateful Ratten is content to waste his talents.

Comfortable victory in the end with a lot of room for improvement. Look forward to the next contest.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Forgot to mention Thornton. The game has gone way past him and it's time for the Blues to send him back to the VFL and stick with someone else.

.. or use the Robert walls trick and put him in the ruck.

Who was missing for Carlton? Kruezer, Bower?

Where is mclean?

 

[Outstanding]

Unfortunately for us Carrazzo will never get subbed because he is well liked by Ratts . He favours his mates over what is best for the Carlton football club.. Hopefully come next season Malthouse will be coaching Carlton.. The wheels are already in place having acouple of Micky's mates on the coaching team at Carlton.

I suggest you have a look at heraldsun.com, the quote from Malthouse's manager should put this one to bed.

 

[rose jam]

Judd - great player - appalling level of umpire support - will not add to his premiership medals with this lot but prob win at least one more brownlow regardless of team results. His miss from 35 straight in front at a critical time was very poor for a skipper

Until Judd learns to play forward Carlton will never get better. He is holding back the development of Murphy and Gibbs as centre square players and needs to spend 50% of his time as a forward. But he refuses to learn forward play and you can see how terrible his forward kicking is.

 

[4thchicken]

Forgot to mention Thornton. The game has gone way past him and it's time for the Blues to send him back to the VFL and stick with someone else.

.. or use the Robert walls trick and put him in the ruck.

Who was missing for Carlton? Kruezer, Bower?

Where is mclean?

Missing from the 22 (based around 2010 rankings)
kreuzer - knee - still a month or so away
bower - ankle - resuming in seconds this week
henderson - hip - spent past couple of weeks regaining fitness in the ants. Should be back within a couple of weeks
mclean - ankle from memory - building fitness base through ants atm
houlihan - calf - not sure on when he will be back but likely to resume through the seconds (so at least a month away at a guess)

 

[Angelus512]

I think based on the game Carlton can be a contender. But they need a better game plan and some more natural improvement. But they are not far off.

 

[jonbe54]

This Everybody goes on about our defence and/or forward line but I thiknk midfield depth is the key. Its the main reason Collingwood are so good imo. At this admittedly early stage, the Grigg/Collins trade may bite us (and yes, i know Grigg requested to leave).

Depth is the key if the A graders are quiet the next rung steps up, Carlton played negative roles on our top on ballers and Blair steps up. You can't blanket everyone as sides found out with Geelong in years gone by. When sides have true quality depth they can't be negated effectively you simply have to find strategies to overcome that and work as hard as Geelong and Collingwood did on identifying, acquiring and training that depth of talent.

 

[Blues_Man]

Teaching role. Ratten was showing Gibbs how hard our best midfielder works and what level he needs to get to.

well i hope pendulbury was paying attention ..because Gibbs outclassed him .

 

[Outstanding]

Do you really think Malthouse will stay at Collingwood and work under a inferior coach to him .. Especially if the Pies win the Grand Final this year.. If there is coaching jobs available somewhere else he will go. He already stated Buckley didn't agree with the current game plan in which the Pies won the premiership with that game plan. Serious there is already discontent between Buckley and Malthouse. Malthouse won't be a Collingwood next year mark my words. Unless he is the coach.If he doesn't coach Carlton then he will be coaching another Victorian club.

I think if you have a look at herald sun online that might answer your question. The article you should look for is - Malthouse's Contract Will Prevail and contains direct quotes from his manager and close friend Peter Sidwell. Enough said on that one.