Resource Carlton Football Club Team List and Contract Status

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Coona Blues said:
You have 32 listed…
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Fixed.

I know where I made a mistake.

Before Boyd was elevated to the Snr list, we had 31.

Instead of adding Boyd in the Snr tally, I subtracted 1 to 30. 😂




Thanks Coona Blues
 
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bluegal1983 said:
For some reason I thought it was six but if it is 4, surely Jackson remains and Saddington goes.
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It's actually only 3 from the senior list because all clubs must use 3 draft picks minimum in the national draft.

Different rules for rookie-listed players, after 2 years must be delisted or upgraded, unless international.
 
DIG said:
It's actually only 3 from the senior list because all clubs must use 3 draft picks minimum in the national draft.

Different rules for rookie-listed players, after 2 years must be delisted or upgraded, unless international.
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You are right that ALL clubs must take at least three in the ND.

This year, for us, we need to delist a minimum of 4 as Jamison has been signed for two years, indicating that he will be elevated at then end of the year, hence, we need 1 for Jammo and 3 for the ND.:thumbsu:

Jacobs is at the end of his second year and needs to be elevated or delisted, and Shields is going home.
 
Was Shields classified as our international rookie though?

Now that he has gone home, instead of having an international rookie, can we take an additional rookie instead, to top up the list?
 

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bluegal1983 said:
Was Shields classified as our international rookie though?

Now that he has gone home, instead of having an international rookie, can we take an additional rookie instead, to top up the list?
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Each club can have 38 listed senior players (including veterans/nimonated rookie) and up to 6 rookies.

So this year we have 38 senior players, 1 nominated rookie (Jammo) and 5 rookies (Jacobs, Hill, Shields, Ellard, Joseph).

The rules state each club can have an additional 3 rookies which are scholarship list or international scholarship players.

I don't know if the "international scholarship players" are the same as an international rookie (i.e. like Shields and the O'hAilpins were).

If so then we have one free rookie spot and 2 free IR spots......but I'm not sure about that.

I suspect that the "scholarship" players are still in Ireland (the ones that caused the fuss earlier in the year about us paying players in Ireland etc), and that once they come out to play they actually take up one of the 6 rookie spots as Shields has done.

I stand to be corrected.:thumbsu:

The link in the OP to the CBA (collective bargaining agreement) has the details, but I suspect there are more rules and clauses that spell it out in legalese......:confused:
 
i think this will be the case

delist:
blackwell, wiggins, ackland, saddington, a o'hailpin

possibly:
bannister (probably go around again)
russell (spent a lot of time and effort with him hence above)
hartlett (will be safe as he have no other CHF)
fevola (could be traded)
 
HBF said:
Murphy and Fevola are the 2 big ones Emmz.
Fevola looks pretty close, and I reckon Murphy won't be that far behind him. Why anyone would want to leave a club that looks like it will have a pretty bright future would seem pretty bizzare to me.

I do have alot of confidence in our off-field people to get the job done.
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dont worry about murphy- hes not leaving. as for fev.... i really dont think that he is dying to stay at carlton. if he is offered more money elsewhere, he could well leave:(
 
TrentM said:
i think this will be the case

delist:
blackwell, wiggins, ackland, saddington, a o'hailpin

possibly:
bannister (probably go around again)
russell (spent a lot of time and effort with him hence above)
hartlett (will be safe as he have no other CHF)
fevola (could be traded)
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Yep. Pretty much.

Only thing is i noticed Aisake was contracted until the end of 09, so perhaps our speculation of his future on this forum may be a little bit skewed?

Some people have been saying Jackson is a possibility, but i think that's harsh.
 
Bluebear said:
You are right that ALL clubs must take at least three in the ND.

This year, for us, we need to delist a minimum of 4 as Jamison has been signed for two years, indicating that he will be elevated at then end of the year, hence, we need 1 for Jammo and 3 for the ND.:thumbsu:

Jacobs is at the end of his second year and needs to be elevated or delisted, and Shields is going home.
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Ah ok, cheers.
 
HBF said:
Updated for me

Ackland - Delist
Saddington - Delist
Blackwell - Delist
Jackson - Delist
Aisake - Delist

Russell - Trade/Delist

Jamison - Elevate to senior list

Jacobs - Still not sure

Ellard, Joseph and Hill - extend to second year rookies.
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Russell might be traded home if we get an offer of a third rounder or higher, but he won't be delisted after he's played 14 games this year. Ratten wouldn't give JR so many games if he wasn't worth persisting with from a development point of view.

I think Benjamin is gone.
 
Further good news ..............

I just got an email from the Club

Here's part of it :-

Thursday Update
The Thursday Update will include a link to the vision of today's media conference with Stephen Kernahan, Brett Ratten and Brendan Fevola as well as news on other players re-signing for a further two years.
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Murphy ;)
 

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TheGeneral said:
Russell might be traded home if we get an offer of a third rounder or higher, but he won't be delisted after he's played 14 games this year. Ratten wouldn't give JR so many games if he wasn't worth persisting with from a development point of view.

I think Benjamin is gone.
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For an avid draft and TAC watcher, HBF has dropped the ball with JR :thumbsdown:;).

HBF I ask you this....for a bloke struggling for consistency in the Ants, what development trajectory has Benjamin shown that would save him in front of JR?? I'm afraid you've closed your mind of prematurely on this one and dropped the ball.



Incidentally I also hope Benji gets another year in case he is a latish bloomer.
 
Mentioned in the Age yesterday in the article about Setanta going to Germany that Aisake is out of contract at seasons end.

Maybe they only put him on for 1 year. :confused:

OP updated:thumbsu:
 
Jeremias said:
I wouldn't be renewing Aisake's contract at years end.

Setanta will stay.
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Agreed. Setanta sounds very keen:
“It has been very frustrating and I am hoping my visit to Germany will provide the answers that will ensure I am ready for pre-season training in late October,” O’hAilpin said.
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I was under the impression that Aisake had a two year contract (I thought that was a minimum, but maybe only for draftees and not rookie elevations).

It does seem a bit odd though, that Aisake will miss his sisters wedding to play VFL, if he was thinking of packing it in and going home at years end. :confused:
The Age said:
The tall defender (Setanta) is flying home to attend his sister's wedding and has sought leave from the club to travel to Munich to get treatment for the calf injury suffered in round 15.

O'hAilpin's younger brother Aisake is unable to return to Ireland for the wedding as he is still playing in the VFL.
He is out of contract at the end of the season and is yet to be re-signed, Setanta remains contracted for next year.
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http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/ne...atment-for-calf/2008/08/20/1218911828782.html
You would think he would have had some indication from the club by now what his long term future holds, and if it wasn't great then you wouldn't miss your sister's wedding to play out your career in the VFL.......would you? :confused:
 
Bluebear said:
This is the status of the list as is understood by the media releases regarding re-signings and contract length. If no length is cited in the release a standard 2 years is assumed.

(Player - When signed on, length, Out of contract year)
Coach - Brett Ratten - August 2007, 2 years, 2009
AC - Mark Riley - September 2007, 2 years, 2009
AC - Gavin Crossisca
AC - Craig Bradley
AC - Terry Daniher
AC - Brett Montgomery, October 2007
Development - Matthew Lappin, October 2007
Recruiting - Wayne Hughes, Shane Rogers
Development Manager - Shane O'Sullivan
High Performance Manager - Justin Cordy




Fitness - Paul Ford
  1. Andrew Walker - June 2007, 2 years..........2009
  2. Jordan Russell - End 2006, 2 years.............2008
  3. Marc Murphy - End 2005, 3 years..............2008
  4. Bryce Gibbs - March 2008, 1+2 year...........2010
  5. Chris Judd - October 2007, 6 years............2012:)
  6. Kade Simpson - May 2007, 2 years............2009
  7. Adam Bentick - ??End 2007, ?? 2 years......2009
  8. Matthew Kreuzer - Nov 2007, 2 years........2009
  9. Jason Saddington - End 2007, 1 year..........2008
  10. Richard Hadley - October 2007, 2 years......2009
  11. Cain Ackland - End 2006, 2 + 1 years.........2008/9
  12. Empty
  13. Luke Blackwell - End 2006, 2 years.............2008
  14. Brad Fisher - June 2008, 2 years.................2010
  15. Steven Browne - Nov 2007, 2 years............2009
  16. Shaun Grigg - 31/07/08, 2 years.................2010
  17. Setanta O'hAilpin - ??End 2007, ??2 years....2009
  18. Paul Bower - ??End 2007, ??2 years............2009
  19. Eddie Betts - May 2008, 2 years.................2010
  20. Clinton Benjamin - End 2006, 2 years...........2008
  21. Mark Austin - 31/07/08, 2 years.................2010
  22. Shaun Hampson - End 2008, 3 years............2011
  23. Adam Hartlett - ?? End 2007, ?? 2 years.......2009
  24. Nick Stevens - August 2007, 3 years...........2010
  25. Brendon Fevola - 31/7/08, 3 years.............2011
  26. Joe Anderson - End 2006, 2 years................2008
  27. Dennis Armfield - November 2007, 2 yrs.........2009
  28. Cameron Cloke - ?? End 2007, 1 year.............2008
  29. Heath Scotland - End 2007, ? 2-3years.........2009/10
  30. Jarrad Waite - End 2005, 3 years.................2008
  31. Jordan Bannister - ?? End 2007, ?? 1 year......2008
  32. Bret Thornton - End 2006, 3 years................2009
  33. Ryan Houlihan - End 2006, 2 years................2008
  34. Simon Wiggins - End 2006, 2 years...............2008
  35. Empty
  36. Darren Pfeiffer - End 2007, 2 years...............2009
  37. Jake Edwards - ??End 2007, 2 years.............2009
  38. Ryan Jackson - End 2007, 2 years................2009
  39. Sam Jacobs (R2) - End 2007, 1 year.............2008
  40. Michael Jamison (R2) - June 2008, 3 yrs........2011
  41. Lachie Hill (R1) - End 2007, 1 year................2008
  42. Michael Sheilds (IR) - Nov 2007, 2 years........2009
  43. Empty
  44. Andrew Carrazzo - Sept 2007, 2 years...........2009
  45. Aisake O'hAilpin - End 2007, 1 year...............2008
  46. David Ellard (R1) - End 2007, 1 year..............2008
  47. Aaron Joseph (R1) - End 2007, 1 year............2008
NSW Scholarships (up to 6):
  1. Luke Feneroli - ?????
  2. Jake Pianta - May 2007, 1-3 years...............????
  3. Blake Bray - 15 yo (2008), 190cm KPP
  4. Matthew Lodge - 15yo (2008)
Senior List = 38 players
Veterans/Nominated rookie = 2
Rookies = 4
Scholarship = 4


Key List Dates (afl.com.au):Wednesday October 31st, 2 pm. List Lodgement One, including rookie promotions, retained second year rookies and father/son selections.
Maximum of 35 players.

Friday November 16th, 2pm. List Lodgement Two.

Saturday November 24th, 10am. National Draft Selection Meeting.

Friday November 30th, 2pm. List Lodgement Three and TPP estimates.

Tuesday December 11th, 10am. Pre-Season Draft Selection Meeting. 10.30am Rookie Draft Selection Meeting.


Trade Rules:
Priority pick CAN be traded.
Player cannot be traded in the first year of a new contract unless he agrees to it.
If an uncontracted player cannot secure a new contract or a trade then he may nominate for the ND or the PSD.

Any Player selected by a Club at the National Draft Selection Meeting or otherwise included on the Primary List of a Club, shall be ineligible to be included on the Primary List of any other Club for a period of 23 months from the date upon which he is selected or included on the Primary List.

Clubs will be able to trade one or more ND selections for the selections of another club, without a player being involved in such trades.

Scholarship players are mandatory last selection's in their Draft year at the club that they are aligned with.


Rookie Rules:
Each club may select a maximum of 6 players (9 for Sydney and Brisbane)
R1 - First year rookie. May be retained without being re-drafted for a second year or may be promoted.
R2 - Second year rookie. Must be de-listed or elevated at the end of the season.
RI - International rookie. May spend up to 3 years on the rookie list before being delisted or elevated.
RN - Nominated rookie. May play senior football without being elevated for a player on the long term injury list (LTI).


An AFL Club is eligible to nominate a Rookie Player as being eligible for senior selection if it has 38 Players on its Primary List not including Veterans at the conclusion of the Pre-Season Draft and it otherwise satisfies the requirements of this clause 14.

14.6 An AFL Club which is eligible to nominate a Rookie Player pursuant to clause 14.5 may:
(a) where the AFL Club has nominated one Player on its Veterans List,
nominate one Player from its Rookie List as being available for selection by that AFL Club for AFL Premiership Season Matches and AFL Finals Series Matches; and
(b) where the AFL Club has not nominated a Player on its Veterans List, nominate up to two Players from its Rookie List as being available for selection by the AFL Club for AFL Premiership Season Matches and AFL Finals Series Matches.

14.7 The right of an AFL Club to nominate a Rookie Player under clause 14.6 is subject to the AFL Club demonstrating to the satisfaction of the Investigations Manager that it can accommodate within its Total Player Payments the Football Payments which must be paid to the Rookie Player as prescribed by paragraph 4 of Schedule B.

14.8 One half of the Football Payments in respect of a Rookie Player nominated under this clause 14 shall be excluded from the relevant AFL Club’s Total Player Payments.


AFL Player's Association Collective Bargaining Agreement
http://www.aflpa.com.au/index.cfm?menuid=D2ADB4DC-D4F6-9270-9194BFFFFD90C753

Source for info on contracts, rookies, veterans, TPP, etc.

AFL Trade and Father Son Rules
http://www.afl.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=208&newsId=52139


2007 Draft Booklet
http://www.aflpa.com.au/media/2007_Draft_booklet.pdf


If anyone has anything to add that would be much appreciated. ODN will sticky this as a reference and I'll update it as I can.

Would appreciate any input on the scholarship, trade and rookie rules as well.
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Read in paper the other day that Juddy signed for 6 years not 5 as
reported.:D

Can anyone confirm?
 
Gilly1972 said:
For an avid draft and TAC watcher, HBF has dropped the ball with JR :thumbsdown:;).

HBF I ask you this....for a bloke struggling for consistency in the Ants, what development trajectory has Benjamin shown that would save him in front of JR?? I'm afraid you've closed your mind of prematurely on this one and dropped the ball.

Incidentally I also hope Benji gets another year in case he is a latish bloomer.
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Since you've written this post, I have swung right around. JR should stay, and only get a game in the senior team should his kicking in front of goal improve, and he cuts down on the amount of turnovers he produces on a regular basis. These are FACTS that cannot be challenged.

I still have no idea why you feel the need to defend this bloke at every oppotunity. Should be play HF, which is about the only role I can see him filling, he has to improve his kicking. You only have to look at Houlihans game on Saturday night to see how his position should be played.

Yes he did do a good job on Johnston, but one good game every couple of months just doesn't cut it for me.
 
HBF said:
Since you've written this post, I have swung right around. JR should stay, and only get a game in the senior team should his kicking in front of goal improve, and he cuts down on the amount of turnovers he produces on a regular basis. These are FACTS that cannot be challenged.

I still have no idea why you feel the need to defend this bloke at every oppotunity. Should be play HF, which is about the only role I can see him filling, he has to improve his kicking. You only have to look at Houlihans game on Saturday night to see how his position should be played.

Yes he did do a good job on Johnston, but one good game every couple of months just doesn't cut it for me.
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Your opinion IS VALID but is NOT a FACT!
 
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