Agree that really hurt, it looked the simplest of spot ups.
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Agree that really hurt, it looked the simplest of spot ups.
Did you ignore what I posted, or do you really not get the point?
Bad luck last might, Guys.
Despite the result, I came away a little grumpy we let your boys back in it - I'm still not sure who we accredit for that: Hawthorn or Carlton. I don't particularly subscribe to the notion that the Hawks 'put the cue in the rack'- Clarkson would have firmly reminded the boys the job isn't finished. However, I do believe the msg would have been along the lines of, 'keep doing what you're doing; maintain, in other words. Which, against a good side like Carlton you can't do. You have to better yourselves each quarter, or at least have that mentality.
Anyways, good luck for your team next week.
Peace.
Despite the result, I came away a little grumpy we let your boys back in it - I'm still not sure who we accredit for that: Hawthorn or Carlton. I don't particularly subscribe to the notion that the Hawks 'put the cue in the rack'- Clarkson would have firmly reminded the boys the job isn't finished. However, I do believe the msg would have been along the lines of, 'keep doing what you're doing; maintain, in other words. Which, against a good side like Carlton you can't do. You have to better yourselves each quarter, or at least have that mentality.
Anyways, good luck for your team next week.
Peace.
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Just out of interest guys, does anybody credit Lewis with shutting Judd down?
And of the people who are talking about Rioli being overrated, how do you rate Judd's game in comparison? I would consider Rioli's game below average last night, but he still had 9 tackles and 7 inside fifties. (Obviously Judd was below par also)
And of the people who are talking about Rioli being overrated, how do you rate Judd's game in comparison? I would consider Rioli's game below average last night, but he still had 9 tackles and 7 inside fifties. (Obviously Judd was below par also)
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He was double teamed all night and you know it. It was like shift work at the mine.
Even triple teamed at some stages of the game.But that's what it takes to shut down a superstar like Juddy
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Yes i do, however, Rioli had more influence than Judd (i thought). Rioli also had more influence than Joseph (offensively), while Lewis had more influence than all of them, and was BOG, even if you discount his role on Judd.
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Lewis had a great game, no doubt, but is being given too much credit for shutting down Judd. Players were rotating through him like a hen on halloween.
Either way, i haven't really seen much credit for the Hawthorn midfielders in shutting Judd down. Judd, being as good as he is, isn't this an absolutely huge effort to keep his influence to SFA?
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So you're after a pat on the back? Yes, the Hawthorn midfielders did a fine job in stopping Judd. I haven't read through the thread so I can't imagine anyone saying otherwise, but this is after all a rant thread.
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This is a "Ranting" thread BTW just incase you hadn't noticed.
But to answer your question, Lewis was good but Judd had 2 - 3 players hanging off him through the whole game.
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I'll start off with the negatives first:
NEGATIVES:
1. when the game was hot, our ability to crack in was non existent and we went into our shell.
2. seriously in need of a key forward, as our best forward tonight was our best defender. Waite wont cut the mustard, seriously without sounding outlandish, Mitchell all of a sudden whilst he hasn't played a game is most of if not the most important youngster we have on our list.
3. Our Ruckman need to impose themselves more around the ground.
POSITIVES:
1. The bye this week. Seriously although we were running on top of the ground in the 2nd half, blokes like Robbo, Buzz, Ellard, Judd need a break. Again i will reiterate, the club would again wish for this timing of a bye next year.
2. Hendo. T.V does not do the justice as to his performance last night (neither do the commentators, as the mere sight of buddy in screen has his one on one battle a win for him). Worked tirelessly all night and really had only 2 direct goals that were kicked on him. Again against the best forward in the comp, from a relative newbie that's unbelievable going.
3. Jamo getting through the game unscathed.
4. Ratts and the coaching department. Last year that game would have been a 10+ drubbing. Last year we were all calling for Ratts head because of his lack of change up, his lack of ability to read the patterns of play. Last night, Jamo forward Bird back, Yazza forward in spurts, Walks in the guts, Gibbs on the ball and forward. Game back on and in reach.
5. The will for the boys to fight back. Yes the game was theoretically over at half time and the pressure was off, but we dug our heals in and persisted. They came to a standstill and we ran on top of them.
Overall disappointed with the loss, none the less the positives are real positives.
NEGATIVES:
1. when the game was hot, our ability to crack in was non existent and we went into our shell.
2. seriously in need of a key forward, as our best forward tonight was our best defender. Waite wont cut the mustard, seriously without sounding outlandish, Mitchell all of a sudden whilst he hasn't played a game is most of if not the most important youngster we have on our list.
3. Our Ruckman need to impose themselves more around the ground.
POSITIVES:
1. The bye this week. Seriously although we were running on top of the ground in the 2nd half, blokes like Robbo, Buzz, Ellard, Judd need a break. Again i will reiterate, the club would again wish for this timing of a bye next year.
2. Hendo. T.V does not do the justice as to his performance last night (neither do the commentators, as the mere sight of buddy in screen has his one on one battle a win for him). Worked tirelessly all night and really had only 2 direct goals that were kicked on him. Again against the best forward in the comp, from a relative newbie that's unbelievable going.
3. Jamo getting through the game unscathed.
4. Ratts and the coaching department. Last year that game would have been a 10+ drubbing. Last year we were all calling for Ratts head because of his lack of change up, his lack of ability to read the patterns of play. Last night, Jamo forward Bird back, Yazza forward in spurts, Walks in the guts, Gibbs on the ball and forward. Game back on and in reach.
5. The will for the boys to fight back. Yes the game was theoretically over at half time and the pressure was off, but we dug our heals in and persisted. They came to a standstill and we ran on top of them.
Overall disappointed with the loss, none the less the positives are real positives.
On last night's performance we would have to say Judd is also so overrated, wouldn't we? Can't judge on one game. However Rioli was more value to Hawks than Judd to the Blues.
As for commentator wetting their pants, well Judd has been doing that for years.
I hear this a lot. But where are the extra 1-2 Carlton players? Surely if 3 players are preoccupied with Judd, then they should be waiting out the back of the pack somewhere.
So i suppose you can't answer my question?
I can't speak for all Hawks supporters, but i had mixed feelings about last night. Obviously getting the four point was the most important thing, but our second half wasn't great. Inaccuracy was also a bit of worry, albeit for both teams. Overall, a win against a top 4/5 team is something i would take every day of the week.
Wow, calm down mate. I was just asking a question. I didn't say anybody HAD to answer it, i was just asking whether the other poster couldn't answer it, or if he just didn't want to.
Where was i being a twat? i thought i was being quite polite, as it is your board, and was responding to comments posted about my original comment.
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You were starting to get stroppy about us answering your question.
We dont have to answer it... but just to satisfy you, I will attempt an answer.
Whenever you see Judd during the game, he always had someone running past him crashing into him. Now the AFL has the umpires watching for people holding him like Mcphee was doing a couple years back, the answer the other coaches came up with is to have people run into him whenever he is near the ball.
The players just need to deviate enough from their line of running with their player to bash Judd and disrupt his run.
We didnt do enough blocking during the course of the match which allowed him to run freely.
Now... you have an answer, whether it is the one that you are expecting, I have no idea but it is possibly the best you are going to get
Thanks for the response. I was actually being serious Dr Evil. Anything is possible but I can't help get the feeling that we are like the Western Bulldogs have been over the last few years. (i.e. Good enough to beat most of the competition consistently but just falling short of the very best. I hope I'm wrong.)
You guys should account for either Sydney, Saints or Essendon in an elimation final based on yesterday's game.
ONE HOUR WITHOUT A GOAL - that's my rant.
Goal kicking after training every night this week. Compulsory. For every single player.
Goal kicking after training every night this week. Compulsory. For every single player.
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