Speculation Chad Warner

[bzparkes]

Reality is if Warner is confronted with that choice and eagles wont pony up and swans stand firm
he will sign another year and not risk ending up in Melbourne.

The eagles will pony up 100%

Lol, dreaming. He won't sign another year and he won't end up in Melbourne.

 

[THE_GUN]

Lol, dreaming. He won't sign another year and he won't end up in Melbourne.

Then eagles pay up

I remember you telling me how i dont know how trades work during the Baker trade
that went well

Eagles will pay through the nose for Warner ' IF' Warner doesnt stay at Sydney or select fremantle

 

[bzparkes]

Then eagles pay up

I remember you telling me how i dont know how trades work during the Baker trade
that went well

Eagles will pay through the nose for Warner ' IF' Warner doesnt stay at Sydney or select fremantle

Lol, I don't think so.

After the backlash to the Baker trade(which ultimately ended up better for the team, ironically) the club will be fully aware someone competent is required to negotiate. They also know they don't need to 'pay up' to avoid Sydney sending him to the draft, because Sydney won't do that simply to not piss off Warner's manager.

Players who enter the draft end up getting to where they want to go. We know this.

 

[WestCoast05]

There are a couple of posters who have started to defend his trade period as a whole, and write a narrative that WC's draft has saved the trade period.

West Coast's draft DID save the shambolic trade period.
Plenty of AFL commentators/podcasters think this also.

How is it a 'narrative'?

 

[WestCoast05]

Yup.
I don’t doubt the validity of the claim.

But I’m astounded they decided the list manager who was recruited to do a job was effectively told not to do it.

It sounds like Clarke has lost the trust of the bloke that hired him.

But some have now in this thread also lauded his ability to turn pick three into Baker, Allan and Gross and also get Owies and Graham across.

Seems to be the cat the fans like to kick when they aren’t happy.

I think the story was that he was sent out because he lost his cool, I imagine he was probably starting to get a bit aggro at this point. So it seems like it was more that someone else stepped in because they needed a reset.

Here's hoping he learns from this trade period and has a better one this year.

 

[WestCoast05]

As a swans fan I’d be happy for them to send him to the draft on principle. And that’s nothing against Chad.

We have free agency conditions for a reason. Chad has not reached free agency and therefore has no real right to dictate where he plays. I’d rather cop the hit and lose picks and send Warner to the draft than get reemed in a deal.

Not only do players hold all the power but they’re choice of club dictates what their original club will get.

We (well most anyway) are supporters of clubs. While it may cost initially I’d rather a club take a stand and wrestle back power from the players. The lasting effects would be massive in player negotiations if a player of warners calibre ended up at north.

If you want to choose where you play, qualify for free agency, other wise try your luck

I think supporters of all clubs would love to see our respective teams make a stand at some point, we all hate losing beloved players.

But this really wouldn't be the trade to do it over. Say West Coast's 2024 R1 wasn't involved - you would still be getting Hawth R1 (10 - 16?) and our future first (4 - 8?). That's hardly a rip off.
I mean in a sense you're always ripped off when losing a star, it's never fair value, but in terms of the price usually paid for players, West Coast's culture seems to be one of never ripping off other clubs - but yeah I'm a bit torn on whether that means we HAVE to give our best pick if we are able to give equivalent value other ways.

You also have to understand that West Coast supporters may have a particular view on this for a reason - when we lost Judd (who has a case for being the Goat) we didn't even manage to get Carlton's best pick.

 

[Rich01]

I think the story was that he was sent out because he lost his cool, I imagine he was probably starting to get a bit aggro at this point. So it seems like it was more that someone else stepped in because they needed a reset.

Here's hoping he learns from this trade period and has a better one this year.

Yeah let’s hope so.
But the story from your ITK seems to intimate there was no confidence from the rest of the Eagles team in Clarkes ability to negotiate.

Let’s hope you are right though.
White anting and taking responsibility off Clarke permanently makes his type of role pretty much redundant.

 

[briztoon]

West Coast's draft DID save the shambolic trade period.
Plenty of AFL commentators/podcasters think this also.

How is it a 'narrative'?

There’s more than one way to spin a narrative.

In my post that you quoted, my point is that some posters are defending the trade period because your draft looks so much better on paper, than what the initial picks looked like, and that this somehow makes the trade period not as bad as it looked like at the time.

It’s the defending of the trade period and the spin put on it by some posters now, that is one narrative on your board.

 

[Superstar swan]

Either way i suspect in deals like this,the outcome would be generally known by all parties involved at this stage .

I doubt players keep their intentions a mystery until the last moment in real life ( not the wwe headlines/media us fans get )

List management strategies are planned years ahead. If Warner is leaving everyone would know and I suspect the trade details would mostly be hashed out at this stage .

Likewise If Warner is staying, it’s just a matter of timing an announcement in the immediate effect.

Also do not underestimate the afl here and their gluttony , I fully believe they are in the business of instructing players/teams to appear to drag this stuff out as it gives them clicks and media traffic

 

[THE_GUN]

Lol, I don't think so.

After the backlash to the Baker trade(which ultimately ended up better for the team, ironically) the club will be fully aware someone competent is required to negotiate. They also know they don't need to 'pay up' to avoid Sydney sending him to the draft, because Sydney won't do that simply to not piss off Warner's manager.

Players who enter the draft end up getting to where they want to go. We know this.

We shall see next trade period and my bet is Clarke is doing it and eagles will cough up your 1st pick

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Reality is if Warner is confronted with that choice and eagles wont pony up and swans stand firm
he will sign another year and not risk ending up in Melbourne.

The eagles will pony up 100%

Do you think Richmond spend a high first rounder on warner on a massive contract when he doesn't want to be there ?

 

[THE_GUN]

Do you think Richmond spend a high first rounder on warner on a massive contract when he doesn't want to be there ?

Maybe or Maybe not but then you could have North , Stkilda , Essendon
who knows what the ladder will be like

But thats not going to happen and the Eagles will happily cough up their 1st rounder which is what all this debate is about
for some reason you guys seem to think you can trade in Warner without using your 1st selection

You guys are dreaming and thats not happening' exactly like Baker for #23 or F2 that your supporters were sprouting this last trade period. Have to accept reality - Eagles will pay the price and thats at a min your 1st pick

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

There are a couple of posters who have started to defend his trade period as a whole, and write a narrative that WC's draft has saved the trade period.

Matt Clarke even tried to derail draft night .
He tried to offload hawks future 1st + more to get a pick to get shanahan apparently.

No one was biting thank God.

He was saved from himself

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Maybe or Maybe not but then you could have North , Stkilda , Essendon
who knows what the ladder will be like

But thats not going to happen and the Eagles will happily cough up their 1st rounder which is what all this debate is about
for some reason you guys seem to think you can trade in Warner without using your 1st selection

You guys are dreaming and thats not happening' exactly like Baker for #23 or F2 that your supporters were sprouting this last trade period. Have to accept reality - Eagles will pay the price and thats at a min your 1st pick

It most probably will be it might not depends on where us and the hawks finish .

The talks of 2 first rounders including our 1st is crazy .