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English bruh
Phat fingers and a phone. Bruh.
What is 10 and 15 going to get them?
What do the points have to do with it unless there is an academy player involved?
Tell us.Never said I was touchy about Port?? Not sure how you came to that conclusion. I was clearly offering a neutral perspective on the situation, and all you got from that was "Gee, he must really hate Port!" That inferiority complex shining through once again
Don't pretend to assume you know what I felt in regards to the McGovern trade. If you'd actually read my posts in the DT&FA/McGovern thread you'd see I made an entirely objective prediction, which was spot on in the end. Many supporters still believe it's unders, many believe it's overs. We got exactly what I believed we'd get. You seem a little obsessed with the McGovern trade judging by the number of times you've commented about it lately in other threads... I could go as far as saying, "Wow, you really are touchy about the Crows getting 13 and an unproven state league player they wanted for McGovern aren't you?"
You're right, Clarko is astute, he's as good as anyone in the business. He can clearly see Wingard is rotting away under Hinkley, as I've previously alluded to. Not sure what point you're trying to make here? You and I both know 'The Chad' will never fulfil his promise playing Ken's brand of footy - the one that got you within one kick of a GF four years ago and Ken decided needed a complete overhaul
Or do you disagree with that too?
Burgoyne won a flag with Port Adelaide as well (dont know if that was reported in Melbourne) and had his best career season with PA as well... you simply bought a player who continued their career with you.
Fos probably would have moved on Wingard earlier.Is that Smart's fault what age he was taken at??
To be fair, Smart didn't have anywhere near the technological concessions, full-time coaching and mentoring, nor the fitness advantages Chad had to begin his career. Nigel and every other player on the Crows list were training out of a tin ******* shed in those early years, but you probably conveniently choose to forget that.
McGuiness I named because I was trying to compare only within the AFL era, I could've named at least a dozen more if we were talking AA's pre-'91, SANFL counts for nought.
I'll give you that he played for Footscray pre-91, but that was before being drafted into a national competition, where the best play against the best, not just the VFL, which also counts for nought in terms of what you were trying to argue.
Heck, I could go and mention the senior footy Chad played at Murray Bridge as a 16 yr old if we really wanted to go there.
You doubted anyone could name five, I named eight just off the top of my head. Taking McGuinness away still leaves seven. Clearly more than the "handful" you suggested would be near impossible to try to name..
Biased? I take as much interest in Port's list and every other list as Adelaide's. If you knew me, or asked anyone who knows me, they'd be able to verify this without even giving it a second thought.
If you're going to bring up Champion Data, they rated St Kilda's Jack Sinclair on the wing in their 'Team of the Year' last year, would you have him above Wingard? They rate Jarryd Lyons almost 30 places above Chad Wingard on their Player Ratings, and he went for a measly 3rd rounder only two years ago.. because, you guessed it, the club were actively shopping him around. Sound familiar?
Tom Mitchell only ranks 15th on those same rankings, and yet he just won a Brownlow. Shannon Hurn ranks below Wingard and is somehow projecting downwards in the points scale, despite just having a career year and captaining his side to a Premiership.
Travis Boak ranks 80th and somehow projecting upwards, despite looking like he's dragging a horse and cart behind him every time he steps onto the field...
2017 and 2018 Chad rates elite and above average in multiple categories, yet couldn't finish inside the top 5 in the B&F in a side who were also rans in last year's finals, and a no-show this year.
Yes, his own drive and desire has dropped off, yet here you are, and all your mates, expecting said "superstar" who's drive and desire as you put it "has dropped off" to nab you two first rounders at a minimum. What club in their right mind, in an elite sporting environment, would sell away their future for a bloke who's own supporters can even clearly see no longer possesses the drive or desire to perform to the best of his ability?
Maybe he's lost that desire playing under Hinkley? It was your club's decision to sign Ken on a long term deal, and ever since most of your senior players have regressed, I think even you can admit that. Which is why I ask the question, what are they doing down there?
Do you just flog off your "best player" 25 and under because you know your coach is dead average? Or do you actually address the real problem, where it all stems from, and sack the bloody coach?!
From the outside, and forgive me if I've got this all wrong, but there seems to be a pattern at your club in recent years of signing blokes on to long term deals and pay increases no less, only to have them significantly drop their output/performance.
At least we agree on Cripps and Davies, and exactly - that was the point I was trying to make re his moves and the side deal he was surely banking on to complete those moves.
If he stays, under Hinkley for yet another year, with the lack of drive and desire you pointed out, do you honestly believe he'll suddenly get back to his lofty heights of 2013 and 2015?
You seem fired up about this
Exactly, if he walks next year you get a compo pick of 10-15, in a weaker draft. So why not take 15 in this year's draft where it's worth a top 5-10 in any other draft? Or enables you to package your picks together, yet again this trade period, to move up the order.
And you're right, the Burton bullshit is just that. No way Hawks do that to one of their best young players. Hawthorn are as professionally ran and culturally sound as any club in the land.
And yet those campaigners helped their club win flag after flag after flag
Brad Crouch hadn't done a full pre-season in over three years, has done less than a total of two over the entirety of his career and was BOG for us in the Grand Final last year, the last game of a gruelling season in which we played fast-paced frenetic attacking footy all year... Yet Hinkley parks the bus all year and Chad can't even sustain playing in the guts for 11 rounds off the back of some "hammy issues" earlier in the season (which caused him to miss a total of ONE week prior to the first Showdown, then miraculously came out firing in it), and a limited pre-season? Forgive me if I call bullshit
"Hey Hawks, we'll sell you a superstar for a minimum of two 1sts, but the caveat is if he gets even the slightest niggle in pre-season, or he tweaks his hammy you can basically rule out playing him in the guts for the rest of the season! He'll be really good for 7 or 8 weeks in there though!"
And as you and I have obviously both agreed on, his waning drive and desire means he hasn't switched on for a number of years, so clearly it's unlikely he's going to, even if he is at the age he should've already started entering his prime at.
I'm not fired up at all. I'm just calling it how it is. The social media hysterics and Koch's actions throughout have been nothing short of a blight on your football club. Quite frankly, I don't even know how or why you would choose to defend them.
So you disagree you've gutted your core? 379 games effectively pushed out the door from three players aged between 25-27 once Chad leaves. Two of your best runners gone, and no one near ready to fill those roles... One gander over at your board suggests I'm not far off the mark about how your supporters feel, so please tell me what part of the above is bullshit?
Yeah you've backed the wrong horse alright.. so let me say this to you, being that you're a die-hard Port Adelaide person, what did the great Fos Williams say many years ago about weeding the crap out of the club, at every level of the club? Please, recite it for me and everyone else. I spent many a year at the club growing up, so the words are ingrained in me. But for all our listeners, please share.
And is the club now living by those standards he so gracefully set? Can you say with all honesty Fos would be pleased with what's going on at Alberton?
Seriously how does this add anything to the conversation?
