Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - GRAND FINAL vs. Brisbane MCG, 2:30pm Sat 30/09

[eyeroller]

We will celebrate dickhead and I hope your misery tears drain your body of what limited natural resources it possesses.

We're not here to win the Moral Ashes!

 

[sr36]

Yep - it’s all about Billy’s versatility that puts him ahead of Kreuger.

To me, playing Frampton as a forward because he's able to play other roles if things aren't going well is picking a team to lose less badly.

 

[WakeUpPies]

Careful of optimism bias here - the sense that something that you haven’t seen must be oh so much better than something you have.

Krueger is 24 years old and has only played 9 games total of AFL football for a total return of four goals, FOUR!!.

For six of his games he was either subbed off (4) or subbed on (2). For context he has played the same number of full AFL games - siren to siren - as Aiden Begg. Or Harvey Harrison.

Of course emerging players have gotta come in sometime. But not for a Grand Final they don’t, especially when there are other more experienced, battle hardened players available. Who have experience playing against Brisbane. Who are also tall. And who also have kicked goals.

This post needs to be repeated hourly. It seems most Collingwood supporters lose all sense of objectiveness when it comes to Krueger. Cameron Cloke had shown more up to this point of his career than Krueger.

This is Sean Rusling part 2. Bringing him straight into the grand final would be a worse idea than having Ben Kinnear and Tex Walker in 03.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Apology for posting on your grand final post. Personally i think you are good enough, entertaining and well coached that it would be a football shame if there was any odorous smell of the type i posted on the port site:

Last quarter counted 6 infringements to gws players which could have been free kicks to 1 for collingwood. The video just imo highlights the obvious frees that could/should halve been paid. I think that in finals/grand finals the saying is that umpires put the whistle away generally. But in this finals they to have seemed to put the whistle away for one team and not the other. How can you account for this, noise of the crowd, home ground advantage, human error by the closet umpire, inexperienced umpire in a final, had vision restricted by fly in eye, sun glare, somebody from the crowd flashed one of those ray thingee into the umpires eye at that exact moment, the spittle from an enraged collingwood supporter hit them in the face, had an anxiety attack.

The proud collingwood football club is good enough with its huge and passionate supporter base to win on the talent, effort and desire the team brings without anything else.

When a football figure like Luke hodge does not hold back re the above there could be reason to pause of how you would like to celebrate the grand final win of 2023

Thanks for the detailed analysis.

Would you mind elaborating though on the five free kicks GWS didn’t get? It needs to be thorough, with video footage, reference to the rules of the game, diagrams, arrows, maybe some emojis . That will help us review your analysis in detail.

I’ll put the popcorn on while I’m waiting.

How did your team go?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

This post needs to be repeated hourly. It seems most Collingwood supporters lose all sense of objectiveness when it comes to Krueger. Cameron Cloke had shown more up to this point of his career than Krueger.

This is Sean Rusling part 2. Bringing him straight into the grand final would be a worse idea than having Ben Kinnear and Tex Walker in 03.

I’d be selecting Rusling if he was available

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Apology for posting on your grand final post. Personally i think you are good enough, entertaining and well coached that it would be a football shame if there was any odorous smell of the type i posted on the port site:

Last quarter counted 6 infringements to gws players which could have been free kicks to 1 for collingwood. The video just imo highlights the obvious frees that could/should halve been paid. I think that in finals/grand finals the saying is that umpires put the whistle away generally. But in this finals they to have seemed to put the whistle away for one team and not the other. How can you account for this, noise of the crowd, home ground advantage, human error by the closet umpire, inexperienced umpire in a final, had vision restricted by fly in eye, sun glare, somebody from the crowd flashed one of those ray thingee into the umpires eye at that exact moment, the spittle from an enraged collingwood supporter hit them in the face, had an anxiety attack.

The proud collingwood football club is good enough with its huge and passionate supporter base to win on the talent, effort and desire the team brings without anything else.

When a football figure like Luke hodge does not hold back re the above there could be reason to pause of how you would like to celebrate the grand final win of 2023

I feel your pain.
I'd be mad too if my club president was Kochie and he had just given Kenny an extension.
And I'd be absolutely spewing if my team was forced to wear teal.

 

[windchimes]

This post needs to be repeated hourly. It seems most Collingwood supporters lose all sense of objectiveness when it comes to Krueger. Cameron Cloke had shown more up to this point of his career than Krueger.

This is Sean Rusling part 2. Bringing him straight into the grand final would be a worse idea than having Ben Kinnear and Tex Walker in 03.

Chill out.

People are allowed to speculate on who comes in as McStay's replacement and Kreuger being the only other healthy key forward on the list is naturally going to be discussed. You don't need to crusade like this against everyone who does so.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Apology for posting on your grand final post.

You should also apologise for being a ****wit.

 

[RobJD]

That's what has me concerned. We will probably go small with WHE forward and maybe Frampton in defence but Frampton forward is a big no. However, perhaps we could play Frampton as a complete defensive option on Andrews, there is always a goal or 2 to be had by joe the goose handballs and the odd lead by Frampton.

I watched the King's Birthday game recently and WHE played forward in that game (at times) he had lots of changes to get into the game and just didn't compete like a forward and didn't take his chances - WHE as an attacking forward is a no for me, like the idea of playing a defensive forward on Coleman - maybe that's the role for WHE or Lippa.

 

[WakeUpPies]

I’d be selecting Rusling if he was available

Yes to be fair he actually showed something when he was healthy. Shame he was made of glass.

 

[Bianconeri]

Careful of optimism bias here - the sense that something that you haven’t seen must be oh so much better than something you have.

We’ve seen him in the VFL all year

 

[3 Characters Long]

Frampton is in no way shape or form is close to like for like for McStay in the forwardline. Kreuger is the only player capable of providing a similar contest up forward.

No way, shape or form? Same height and weight. Very similar shape and form. But I never said he was as good as McSlay.

 

[WakeUpPies]

Chill out.

People are allowed to speculate on who comes in as McStay's replacement and Kreuger being the only other healthy key forward on the list is naturally going to be discussed. You don't need to crusade like this against everyone who does so.

By your own logic I should be allowed to crusade, and I will dammit! No to Krueger! No to Krueger! No to Krueger!

Edit: Yes to Adams/Noble

 

[sr36]

Apology for posting on your grand final post. Personally i think you are good enough, entertaining and well coached that it would be a football shame if there was any odorous smell of the type i posted on the port site:

Last quarter counted 6 infringements to gws players which could have been free kicks to 1 for collingwood. The video just imo highlights the obvious frees that could/should halve been paid. I think that in finals/grand finals the saying is that umpires put the whistle away generally. But in this finals they to have seemed to put the whistle away for one team and not the other. How can you account for this, noise of the crowd, home ground advantage, human error by the closet umpire, inexperienced umpire in a final, had vision restricted by fly in eye, sun glare, somebody from the crowd flashed one of those ray thingee into the umpires eye at that exact moment, the spittle from an enraged collingwood supporter hit them in the face, had an anxiety attack.

The proud collingwood football club is good enough with its huge and passionate supporter base to win on the talent, effort and desire the team brings without anything else.

When a football figure like Luke hodge does not hold back re the above there could be reason to pause of how you would like to celebrate the grand final win of 2023

It was a brutal contest with an enormous number of contests and tackles. If you think there were only 7 "could have been paid" frees that were let go in that last quarter, then you're wrong. Reads to me like you're just another SA nuffie biasedly carrying on about Vic bias.

 

[LuckyLee]

Apology for posting on your grand final post. Personally i think you are good enough, entertaining and well coached that it would be a football shame if there was any odorous smell of the type i posted on the port site:

Last quarter counted 6 infringements to gws players which could have been free kicks to 1 for collingwood. The video just imo highlights the obvious frees that could/should halve been paid. I think that in finals/grand finals the saying is that umpires put the whistle away generally. But in this finals they to have seemed to put the whistle away for one team and not the other. How can you account for this, noise of the crowd, home ground advantage, human error by the closet umpire, inexperienced umpire in a final, had vision restricted by fly in eye, sun glare, somebody from the crowd flashed one of those ray thingee into the umpires eye at that exact moment, the spittle from an enraged collingwood supporter hit them in the face, had an anxiety attack.

The proud collingwood football club is good enough with its huge and passionate supporter base to win on the talent, effort and desire the team brings without anything else.

When a football figure like Luke hodge does not hold back re the above there could be reason to pause of how you would like to celebrate the grand final win of 2023

What is all this crap? You start with the word “apology” which is clearly disingenuous and then ramble on inanely about umpires being influenced by home crowds or some such nonsense, as though it’s something we or Collingwood FC should apologise for or attempt to do something about. What a load of rubbish.

If you think that umpiring is biased then I suggest you bring it up with the AFL, not here. Now p1ss off!


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[McOrist]

I'd bring in Johnny F Noble to replace McStay. Brisbane have numerous dangerous small forwards, so JFN would help down back. Cox/Cameron to alternate ruck and forward. With Noble added down back, it offers the flexibility to shift Howe forward if needed. I'd also bring Ginnivan into the starting 22 and make Lippinski the sub. Too big a risk to play Adams with a dodgy hammy.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Hey lads not sure where to post this but heading to the grand final parade and are from out of town, wondering where the best place to park is or is it better to get public transport

Don't drive

 

[The Royal Sampler]

The proud collingwood football club is good enough with its huge and passionate supporter base to win on the talent, effort and desire the team brings without anything else.

When a football figure like Luke hodge does not hold back re the above there could be reason to pause of how you would like to celebrate the grand final win of 2023

You picked the wrong fanbase to troll with this. We’ve been stiffed out of more GFs than anyone in VFL/AFL history. Carltank jointly sits atop the premiership table despite cheating the cap in ‘95. If we win we won’t be thinking about Luke bloody Hodge or your subjective opinion of a free kick count, I can guarantee you that.

 

[LuckyLee]

Careful of optimism bias here - the sense that something that you haven’t seen must be oh so much better than something you have.

Krueger is 24 years old and has only played 9 games total of AFL football for a total return of four goals, FOUR!!.

For six of his games he was either subbed off (4) or subbed on (2). For context he has played the same number of full AFL games - siren to siren - as Aiden Begg. Or Harvey Harrison.

Of course emerging players have gotta come in sometime. But not for a Grand Final they don’t, especially when there are other more experienced, battle hardened players available. Who have experience playing against Brisbane. Who are also tall. And who also have kicked goals.

Two of Krueger’s four goals came in a single match last year….against Brisbane.


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[PIEWITHSAUCE]

I don't think anyone suggesting Kreugs as an option is super excited about the prospect but if we're after someone with some sort of history as a natural forward who can provide a physical/aerial contest and relieve Checkers a bit , then there's no other options without disrupting what's working well elsewhere. Anything else will require gameplan/structure adjustments - perhaps that's the right way to go but there appears to be no easy answers.

Playing Frampton as a defensive forward on Andrews has me imagining constant holding frees and easy exits for the Lions out of our forward line. I'd much rather Howe but that's not a change I want to see happen either

 

[Bianconeri]

No way, shape or form? Same height and weight. Very similar shape and form. But I never said he was as good as McSlay.

Similar weight, Frampton is taller.

It’s not just that he isn’t as good as McStay. It’s that he has zero forward smarts and approaches the contest more timid than Jesse White.

McStay’s main value in our structure is the contest he brings and Frampton doesn’t even provide a fraction of that.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I'd bring in Johnny F Noble to replace McStay. Brisbane have numerous dangerous small forwards, so JFN would help down back. Cox/Cameron to alternate ruck and forward. With Noble added down back, it offers the flexibility to shift Howe forward if needed. I'd also bring Ginnivan into the starting 22 and make Lippinski the sub. Too big a risk to play Adams with a dodgy hammy.

Every time I see your avatar, I take you for a Carltank supporter. The periodic table you’ve chosen looks navy blue to me and the white lettering makes it look like a sign held up at Price Fixer Park. It’s with some relief that I catch myself and realise that you’re one of us.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Apology for posting on your grand final post. Personally i think you are good enough, entertaining and well coached that it would be a football shame if there was any odorous smell of the type i posted on the port site:

Last quarter counted 6 infringements to gws players which could have been free kicks to 1 for collingwood. The video just imo highlights the obvious frees that could/should halve been paid. I think that in finals/grand finals the saying is that umpires put the whistle away generally. But in this finals they to have seemed to put the whistle away for one team and not the other. How can you account for this, noise of the crowd, home ground advantage, human error by the closet umpire, inexperienced umpire in a final, had vision restricted by fly in eye, sun glare, somebody from the crowd flashed one of those ray thingee into the umpires eye at that exact moment, the spittle from an enraged collingwood supporter hit them in the face, had an anxiety attack.

The proud collingwood football club is good enough with its huge and passionate supporter base to win on the talent, effort and desire the team brings without anything else.

When a football figure like Luke hodge does not hold back re the above there could be reason to pause of how you would like to celebrate the grand final win of 2023

We are all dumber now for reading this

 

[Anzacday]

Apology for posting on your grand final post. Personally i think you are good enough, entertaining and well coached that it would be a football shame if there was any odorous smell of the type i posted on the port site:

Last quarter counted 6 infringements to gws players which could have been free kicks to 1 for collingwood. The video just imo highlights the obvious frees that could/should halve been paid. I think that in finals/grand finals the saying is that umpires put the whistle away generally. But in this finals they to have seemed to put the whistle away for one team and not the other. How can you account for this, noise of the crowd, home ground advantage, human error by the closet umpire, inexperienced umpire in a final, had vision restricted by fly in eye, sun glare, somebody from the crowd flashed one of those ray thingee into the umpires eye at that exact moment, the spittle from an enraged collingwood supporter hit them in the face, had an anxiety attack.

The proud collingwood football club is good enough with its huge and passionate supporter base to win on the talent, effort and desire the team brings without anything else.

When a football figure like Luke hodge does not hold back re the above there could be reason to pause of how you would like to celebrate the grand final win of 2023

Wtf?
You posted the same thing on your board and didn’t get enough support so thought you’d seek some here??
Do yourself a favour, put your black and white jumper on and practice saying go Pies.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Careful of optimism bias here - the sense that something that you haven’t seen must be oh so much better than something you have.

Krueger is 24 years old and has only played 9 games total of AFL football for a total return of four goals, FOUR!!.

For six of his games he was either subbed off (4) or subbed on (2). For context he has played the same number of full AFL games - siren to siren - as Aiden Begg. Or Harvey Harrison.

Of course emerging players have gotta come in sometime. But not for a Grand Final they don’t, especially when there are other more experienced, battle hardened players available. Who have experience playing against Brisbane. Who are also tall. And who also have kicked goals.

Is this your way of saying you think Frampton is the better option?