Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - GRAND FINAL vs. Brisbane MCG, 2:30pm Sat 30/09

[sr36]

A big statistic that says we should be looking for another ruck over the off-season if we want to play two rucks.

Frampton

Unless we are willing to completely fall off the cliff in a couple of years we can't overload with depth - we've got to try to get some future players in

 

[jmac70]

As I do the maths, I can see Ginni missing out. If we worry about under done players, well he's played bugger all in the last3 weeks. Especially if adams comes in. It's impossible to work out but ginni is going to be very unlucky

Maths?
McStay out for Adams
Gin stays as sub.

It’s not trigonometry…

 

[Hazz]

Chatting with my son and he thinks Frampton as second ruck Cameron to deep forward and Coxy rotating with Billy. You then have the option if it's not working to shuffle the team as Frampton can go back or forward at a pinch. Cameron is capable of clunking a contested mark and seemed to have turned the corner with his marking last Friday night.

I know Fly is a big fan of Krueger but surely the risk outweighs the reward.

Like this.

 

[danielnajdek]

Matty Lloyd had him as second best on ground for us . He’s very positive when talking about us, has been all season

Yep he tipped us to win by 15 points. The other 2 in Damo and Nat tipped Brisbane.

 

[Mick F]

Frampton

Unless we are willing to completely fall off the cliff in a couple of years we can't overload with depth - we've got to try to get some future players in

Agree. We have reasonable depth. Points and $$$ needs to be targeting quality youth. As best you can given the limitations of the system.

 

[sr36]

As I do the maths, I can see Ginni missing out. If we worry about under done players, well he's played bugger all in the last3 weeks. Especially if adams comes in. It's impossible to work out but ginni is going to be very unlucky

The sub does extra work to keep his conditioning up, probably can do more fitness work as not as many hits to recover from. And also in Ginnis case is showing no signs of needing more match play to keep up to the game speed.

 

[Mollythedolly]

A big statistic that says we should be looking for another ruck over the off-season if we want to play two rucks.

Or we can trust Cameron to recapture his pre 2023 injury form. Averaged close to 30% HTA in 2022. On a par with Cox.

 

[JuniorB]

Frampton

Unless we are willing to completely fall off the cliff in a couple of years we can't overload with depth - we've got to try to get some future players in

We've got Steene and Begg who will start to impact in a year or two.
I think Oscar, in particular is going to be very good.

 

[JuniorB]

Or we can trust Cameron to recapture his pre 2023 injury form. Averaged close to 30% HTA in 2022. On a par with Cox.

I thought Cameron turned the corner on Friday and played a very good game.

 

[Vic Park]

If Wade declares Adams fit then I would 100% back the decision.

Fair enough. Trust the coaching staff (and Wade)

 

[mwhop]

H

David King writing off Collingwood for the third week in a row warms my heart.

He's just trying to not jinx his bet

 

[Kappa]

We've got Steene and Begg who will start to impact in a year or two.
I think Oscar, in particular is going to be very good.

Not many rucks are impacting at 21/22, only the real superstars.

 

[Piewithsauce13]

Hoping this is an omen and apologies for sharing in this thread(not sure where it would belong).. Got home from work today and sitting on my front step was this little man…

Was able to walk up to him and pat him. First thought was injured but called the wildlife contact ( made sure they did not support lions before i explained the situation) and they advised based on photos and videos that it was a young one that has just not learnt to fly yet. They told us that leaving him out was a risk as cats could get him and that we needed to get him into a box ( he has water and air holes) and keep him in garage to ensure safety. Apparently this is very common this time of year and that the parents will eventually come back and feed him but is probably 2 days away from flying. We need put him back in the same spot we found him in the morning so parents can find him. So for the next 24-48 hours we are proud foster parents of our first magpie. We will ensure his safety and watch him fly away this week for the ultimate success! His name is Darcy and we already love him! Go pies!!! ️️️️

 

[jmac70]

Chatting with my son and he thinks Frampton as second ruck Cameron to deep forward and Coxy rotating with Billy. You then have the option if it's not working to shuffle the team as Frampton can go back or forward at a pinch. Cameron is capable of clunking a contested mark and seemed to have turned the corner with his marking last Friday night.

I know Fly is a big fan of Krueger but surely the risk outweighs the reward.

The problem with this idea is that it weakens our ruck, forward line and midfield.

 

[domus]

The problem with this idea is that it weakens our ruck, forward line and midfield.

Not really. Cameron has had little to no influence at centre bounces and general ruck contests since his return from injury. That's why Cox has taken over as our first choice. Therefore, Frampton is capable of giving similar contest and output as Cameron while allowing Darcy to push forward to use his strength which is contested marking for most of his time at our club.

 

[jmac70]

Not really. Cameron has had little to no influence at centre bounces and general ruck contests since his return from injury. That's why Cox has taken over as our first choice. Therefore, Frampton is capable of giving similar contest and output as Cameron while allowing Darcy to push forward to use his strength which is contested marking for most of his time at our club.

Yea really. Cameron and Cox have been excellent together. They can push forward to help cover McStay.
Frampton is not an adequate ruck replacement for a grand final.
The midfield run will be impacted with Frampton lumbering around.

Better off to replace McStay with either Adams or Noble. We will have more run and better contested possession. We can lock the ball in and enjoy seeing Checkers and Elliott put on a show.

 

[Jen2310]

“He’s going well … I had a good chat to him (on Monday) about the boxes he needs to tick and what are the things that he needs to do to be available,” McRae told this masthead on Monday.

“He’s going to probably train lightly (on Tuesday) but then on Thursday, have a real crack at it.

“I am definitely a risk-taker … but also, this time of year, you’ve got to weigh up the risk and the reward. I won’t shy away from taking risks.

“If you come and watch training (on Thursday), he’ll either get through training well, or he won’t quite get there, and then obviously we’ll have a decision to make with that.

“I had a good chat to him today. He’s either going to be right or not. And if he’s right, then we’ve got a decision to make.”


Geelong made the difficult call to leave Max Holmes – who was also battling a hamstring – out of last year’s grand final, in which it prevailed over Sydney, while Swan Sam Reid

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Sam Reid

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

and Giant Phil Davis

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Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

have been risked in recent years and battled to play.

Adams’ former captain and current teammate Scott Pendlebury

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Scott Pendlebury

Age

36

Ht

191cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.5

5star

K

13.2

5star

HB

13.3

5star

M

4.1

4star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

12.9

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

3star

CL

3.6

4star

D

12.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.8

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

backed the Magpie to know within himself what was the right call.


“It’ll come down to the medicos and Tay and how he goes, but he’s got a lot of time left to get himself right and recover. Three or four days is a long time, so see how he goes.

“He’ll know. That’s why I think it’s a bit of an easier call. Because you trust him. He’ll make the right decision, and he’ll make the best decision for the group.”

Former Magpies coach Mick Malthouse said on Sunday that Billy Frampton

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Billy Frampton

Age

27

Ht

201cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

0.7

3star

MG

99.0

2star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

99.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

107.0

2star

was the ideal candidate to replace injured forward Dan McStay to maintain team balance.

Pendlebury said the team had “great depth” and that the club had been “really smart in going out and recruiting guys like that to build the depth”.

“Tay will make the right call for the group and I feel like we’ve got options to cover either way it goes,” he said.

 

[sr36]

The problem with this idea is that it weakens our ruck, forward line and midfield.

It strengthens our bench as we'll always have a huge bloke on it.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

The problem with this idea is that it weakens our ruck, forward line and midfield.

Malthouse says f frampton. He has an impeccable record selecting/ managing talls in grand finals…. .

 

[cfc19902010]

Malthouse says f frampton. He has an impeccable record selecting/ managing talls in grand finals…. .

yep..Tristan walker ben kinnear and jolly and Reid on two legs between them

 

[MightyPage025]

Either Frampton or Kreuger will replace McStay. Harris Andrew will maul Mihocek otherwise. I'd go with Kreuger as he shown previously to have immediate impact because of the aggressive style he plays. Wouldn't be surprised to see Adams replacing Ginnivan as sub. Fly may feel playing Adams a full game to big of a risk and may use Adams as sub because his more versatile (midfield/forward) then Ginnivan.

 

[upnsmoke]

Sounds like Adams is close enough and definitely not in Sam Reid territory.

Sam Reid was one of the main reason Hawkins went off in 2011 that got the Cats momentum and win....

Reid jogging and playing when he's hurt was a bad move

 

[upnsmoke]

I actually don't mind Cameron playing more forward mainly just another body to keep away from double teaming the other Pie forwards.... him and McStay are similar in mobility.

Just means Cox will need to play ruck all game... or swap for brief moments with Cameron for a breather

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Sam Reid was one of the main reason Hawkins went off in 2011 that got the Cats momentum and win....

Reid jogging and playing when he's hurt was a bad move

Ben

 

[domus]

Yea really. Cameron and Cox have been excellent together. They can push forward to help cover McStay.
Frampton is not an adequate ruck replacement for a grand final.
The midfield run will be impacted with Frampton lumbering around.

Better off to replace McStay with either Adams or Noble. We will have more run and better contested possession. We can lock the ball in and enjoy seeing Checkers and Elliott put on a show.

I would love to see Checkers and Billy go crazy but it hasn't happened so far in the finals and absent another tall in McStay it will place even more pressure on them to compete in the air against bigger opponents which wears a player down.

Not sure whether the backing of my idea by Malthouse strengthens or weakens my opinion.

Former Magpies coach Mick Malthouse said on Sunday that Billy Frampton was the ideal candidate to replace injured forward Dan McStay to maintain team balance.