Preview Changes: R4 vs Fremantle, Saturday April 8, 1.15pm ACST @ Adelaide Oval

[VictorianCrow85]

Talent is important, you can't teach that .....but it's the work / effort to improve, that defines if a player will realise that talent

Won't surprise if Taylor gets a couple of games in the latter half of the season .....IMO the club would be keen to give him a taste

Wont surprise, I wont have an issue with it long as his forms picked up a little. Depends on how we go with injuries, suspensions, wins, losses all that I'd say.

 

[davos44]

If Berry is out then Schoenberg has to come back in, you have to reward 34 and 3 goals even though we shouldn't because it's Schoenberg and he is in the gap between SANFL and AFL and cannot bridge it.

Mark Keane is only 23 so should be given a shot at it for Butts.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Hopefully follow the Pedlar path, maybe a bit of struggle early but get things right over this year, ready to come up the level and have immediate impact as a 3rd year player?

Huh? The Pedlar path of being injured for his first two years?

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

If Berry is out then Schoenberg has to come back in, you have to reward 34 and 3 goals even though we shouldn't because it's Schoenberg and he is in the gap between SANFL and AFL and cannot bridge it.

Mark Keane is only 23 so should be given a shot at it for Butts.

A bit rough on Harry. He only just turned 22 in February.

 

[BACCS]

Ftfy.

That's the bullest of bulley bullshit. Gutless by AFC.
The tackled player's head did NOT hit the ground (watch it in 0.5X speed). He stayed down like he'd been shot, with his head on the ground, then jumped up like a WWC wrestler/Soccer player after the free was given, rarin' to go.
It's utter AFL garbage.

Edit: if the MRP are dishing out suspensions based on "potential" injury, that's the end of the game which is by default potentially injurious. FkmeD .

The club spent a lot of resources and time trying to get McAdam off and it didn’t achieve a thing. I would have challenged, but it’s never a guarantee it’s successful and it costs the club 5k out of the soft cap (which is salary for staff). There was unfortunately two actions with the tackle and it’s what they look for with these incidents. Arguing against the ‘potential for injury’ got us nowhere with McAdam, which is exactly what the AFL would have likely argued here as well (seems to be applied to any incident that could involve the head, even if it doesn’t). The AFL are shit scared of the class action and are seemingly now suspending anyone for incidents that may only have a 1% chance of causing a head injury, it’s very hard to argue against that as we saw with McAdam.

 

[jenny61_99]

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Yep, he pointed to his strapped calf after the game to a teammate.

 

[jenny61_99]

Weekly reminder Hinge is shite and looks good when the going is good but is badly exposed when the going is otherwise.

WTF? One of THE worst calls of the week (and there have been MANY).

 

[Bearded Clam]

If Berry is out then Schoenberg has to come back in, you have to reward 34 and 3 goals even though we shouldn't because it's Schoenberg and he is in the gap between SANFL and AFL and cannot bridge it.

Mark Keane is only 23 so should be given a shot at it for Butts.

No.. I think Shoenberg should be made to fully prove he has returned to form over a period of 4 to 5 sanfl games before he’s considered..

His first half in that sanfl game actually wasnt that spectacular.. he well and truely made up for it in the second though.. but the opposition was barely ammo’s standard in that second half.. witches hats half the time. Port had lots of tall youngsters that simply tired to the point they couldnt compete..

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Huh? The Pedlar path of being injured for his first two years?

Way to miss the point.

The Pedlar path of clearly not being match fit for AFL due to his body not being right but eventually getting there & then getting on the park looking fit, strong & having immediate impact when he's finally able.

Sometimes players aren't ready and have these issues & take a bit to get them right. It may not be preferable but as Pedlar is showing it doesn't have to be a complete waste. Getting the kids body & fitness right will give him the best chance of succeeding when he gets out ther properly, whenever that is.

 

[AFC979810]

A bit rough on Harry. He only just turned 22 in February.

The last 6 rounds of 2021 showed that Harry has what it takes to be at AFL level.

There is a quality midfielder player talent wise. Question is just whether he puts it together.

 

[GreyCrow]

The club spent a lot of resources and time trying to get McAdam off and it didn’t achieve a thing. I would have challenged, but it’s never a guarantee it’s successful and it costs the club 5k out of the soft cap (which is salary for staff). There was unfortunately two actions with the tackle and it’s what they look for with these incidents. Arguing against the ‘potential for injury’ got us nowhere with McAdam, which is exactly what the AFL would have likely argued here as well (seems to be applied to any incident that could involve the head, even if it doesn’t). The AFL are s**t scared of the class action and are seemingly now suspending anyone for incidents that may only have a 1% chance of causing a head injury, it’s very hard to argue against that as we saw with McAdam.

While I agree with the tenor of your post - I felt Pedlars tackle could have been better - I want to question the bolded

Yes it seems they are but their actions suggest they still havent formulated a response that suits across the board

They seem to want to adjudicate individual cases instead of setting a penalty range for offences and negotiating down from that

ie McAdam, Pickett are equal and share the equal penalty - now argue why not

Franklin is an interesting one as his action is worse than the bump because he used an action not football related - one could argue McAdam and Pickett were football actions. Buddys was a carpark action.

Jai Newcombe and his mate - someone mentioned Houston had his stopping hand free - well Logue had no opportunity - and its a fine?

Anyway tl;dr The AFL either truly dont care or cant find the proper mechanism

 

[BACCS]

While I agree with the tenor of your post - I felt Pedlars tackle could have been better - I want to question the bolded

Yes it seems they are but their actions suggest they still havent formulated a response that suits across the board

They seem to want to adjudicate individual cases instead of setting a penalty range for offences and negotiating down from that

ie McAdam, Pickett are equal and share the equal penalty - now argue why not

Franklin is an interesting one as his action is worse than the bump because he used an action not football related - one could argue McAdam and Pickett were football actions. Buddys was a carpark action.

Jai Newcombe and his mate - someone mentioned Houston had his stopping hand free - well Logue had no opportunity - and its a fine?

Anyway tl;dr The AFL either truly dont care or cant find the proper mechanism

It would be great to have consistency with these decisions, but the AFL refuse to put out clear guidelines and instead choose to make it up on the fly. They just need to come out and say that if a tackle has a slinging motion, the base penalty will be one week and increases depending on severity of injury. Their matrix crap makes no sense and is still open to way too much interpretation.

The ‘potential for injury’ crap they have also now introduced, but isn’t in their matrix, makes it almost impossible to get anything overturned. This seems to have been brought in because of the class action, because it wasn’t around even last season. Pedlar wouldn’t have been cited last year.

 

[BACCS]

Watching the replay and Butts was better on Dixon in the 2nd half than I remembered, his one on one contest work was back to his best. Dawson also just has to continue playing midfield, his big body and long arms allowed him to shrug off any tackler and always get the ball out of a tight contest.

 

[ABAB]

If Berry is out then Schoenberg has to come back in, you have to reward 34 and 3 goals even though we shouldn't because it's Schoenberg and he is in the gap between SANFL and AFL and cannot bridge it.

Mark Keane is only 23 so should be given a shot at it for Butts.

Schoenberg has shown he can play at the AFL level, the problem is his attitude so we should leave him in the SANFL to teach him you need to play with the same effort all the time.

 

[jenny61_99]

Watching the replay and Butts was better on Dixon in the 2nd half than I remembered, his one on one contest work was back to his best. Dawson also just has to continue playing midfield, his big body and long arms allowed him to shrug off any tackler and always get the ball out of a tight contest.

And he was playing with a laceration on his calf.

 

[kirky]

Seriously anyone who thinks we will make multiple changes has rocks in their head.

Pedlar is out so he will be replaced.

Other changes will only occur if someone is injured.

 

[BACCS]

Seriously anyone who thinks we will make multiple changes has rocks in their head.

Pedlar is out so he will be replaced.

Other changes will only occur if someone is injured.

Berry is injured too, that's why he is coming up in the changes. Given how well Chayce performed coming on as the sub for Berry, that is an easy change. Schoenberg likely to replace Pedlar, can't see them going Ned as it messes up the midfield rotations with Berry out. McHenry to be the sub.

IF Fog is fit, then he will likely replace Gollant, but I get the feeling they give him until the Carlton game with the short break after Freo.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Watching the replay and Butts was better on Dixon in the 2nd half than I remembered, his one on one contest work was back to his best. Dawson also just has to continue playing midfield, his big body and long arms allowed him to shrug off any tackler and always get the ball out of a tight contest.

Sure.. butts is not in the greatest of form at the moment and is clearly suffering from a shoulder complaint and is a little underdone..

But it pisses me off a bit when some rip into the lad for some of the plays that really shouldnt be blamed on the KPD.. a couple of King Dick W&nk’s marks on the weekend were massive team failures where, despite having ample time to, the crows HB/wingers/mids failed miserably to get back and fill the holes in the defensive 50 allowing Dixon to easily lead into them..

Thats not on the KPD’s.. thats on the guys like smith, milera, sloane and hinge.. the HB/wingers that need to get back quickly and plug those holes.

That sort of lazy shit makes the KPD’s job near impossible. You cannot stop that as a KPD and supporters blaming it on “Butts’ bad form” are kidding themselves.

The same supporters blamed Billy last year during the Carlton away game.. Carlton had a CLUB RECORD for inside 50 entries (more than 70!) in that game and a few in here bagged the fxxk out of Billy because he couldnt stop Curnow.. yet the same imbiciles said nothing about the crows midfield that allowed that record amount of inside 50’s to occur..

Even the best KPD’s in the comp arent gonna stop an onslaught like that..

 

[kirky]

Berry is injured too, that's why he is coming up in the changes. Given how well Chayce performed coming on as the sub for Berry, that is an easy change. Schoenberg likely to replace Pedlar, can't see them going Ned as it messes up the midfield rotations with Berry out. McHenry to be the sub.

IF Fog is fit, then he will likely replace Gollant, but I get the feeling they give him until the Carlton game with the short break after Freo.

Agree with Fog.

We play again on Thursday so a short week.

 

[BACCS]

Agree with Fog.

We play again on Thursday so a short week.

No need to risk him when we have the depth to cover.

 

[aabp1978]

Pedlar = Schoenberg
Berry (inj) = Taylor
Tex (inj) = Fog

Would like to bring back Parnell as well, but not sure who else you would drop (no real like for like, and they clearly arent going to drop Jnr)

 

[jenny61_99]

Sure.. butts is not in the greatest of form at the moment and is clearly suffering from a shoulder complaint and is a little underdone..

But it pisses me off a bit when some rip into the lad for some of the plays that really shouldnt be blamed on the KPD.. a couple of King Dick W&nk’s marks on the weekend were massive team failures where, despite having ample time to, the crows HB/wingers/mids failed miserably to get back and fill the holes in the defensive 50 allowing Dixon to easily lead into them..

Thats not on the KPD’s.. thats on the guys like smith, milera, sloane and hinge.. the HB/wingers that need to get back quickly and plug those holes.

That sort of lazy s**t makes the KPD’s job near impossible. You cannot stop that as a KPD and supporters blaming it on “Butts’ bad form” are kidding themselves.

The same supporters blamed Billy last year during the Carlton away game.. Carlton had a CLUB RECORD for inside 50 entries (more than 70!) in that game and a few in here bagged the fxxk out of Billy because he couldnt stop Curnow.. yet the same imbiciles said nothing about the crows midfield that allowed that record amount of inside 50’s to occur..

Even the best KPD’s in the comp arent gonna stop an onslaught like that..

I love (big) Butts. Seriously, I think he and Murray will be a terrific combination down the track. But right now he's struggling a little bit... we know talls take a bit longer to develop and let's face it, he's been thrown in the deep end from the get go! It really was a sink or swim scenario. But I think he's struggling with an injury right now, and as we are a bit light on in the KPD department, we are persisting with him. I watched Keane (IMO the only other alternative) in the twos last week and I don't think he's going to have the tank just yet. I really enjoyed Hinge's hit out down back too this week. Like to see more of that. So do we rest Butts and bring in Keane or just persist with him because I think that's our only real option at the moment?

 

[MsTopG]

The club spent a lot of resources and time trying to get McAdam off and it didn’t achieve a thing. I would have challenged, but it’s never a guarantee it’s successful and it costs the club 5k out of the soft cap (which is salary for staff). There was unfortunately two actions with the tackle and it’s what they look for with these incidents. Arguing against the ‘potential for injury’ got us nowhere with McAdam, which is exactly what the AFL would have likely argued here as well (seems to be applied to any incident that could involve the head, even if it doesn’t). The AFL are s**t scared of the class action and are seemingly now suspending anyone for incidents that may only have a 1% chance of causing a head injury, it’s very hard to argue against that as we saw with McAdam.

They got their challenges back to front. McAdam was never getting off and that was a waste of money. Pedlar would get off if they challenge imo.

 

[BACCS]

They got their challenges back to front. McAdam was never getting off and that was a waste of money. Pedlar would get off if they challenge imo.

The 'potential for injury' line the AFL are putting out this year makes that almost impossible, as we saw with McAdam.

 

[MsTopG]

I think once we get Keane, Parnell/Jones Worrell into our backline this will further strengthen our kicking out of defence. Murray, Hinge, Doedee are good kicks and with the above mentioned who are also good kicks we should have one of the best kicking backlines the club have had for a while. This will put more pressure on the oppo bringing the ball out of defence and if we have Dawson, Soligo, Rachele around the wings/middle we I'll have good delivery into our forward line. Surely once we have that backline structure there is no need for Dawson to ever play defence again.