Preview Changes: R5 2021 vs Fremantle

[CrowBloke]

Why do most teams not do it? It's really hard to get guys who are reliable shots from that range / angle ..

When I got to the above, I thought "Yeah, and we've got TWO ..." which you also nailed.

Brilliant post. I wonder how Vader will respond ...

 

[King Elvis]

The funny / sad thing is that the supposedly easy, no skill involved, thing that Fogarty did this game is exactly what we could never get Jenkins to do, and which would have made him a really good player- lead at the ball carrier with your arms up, catch and convert. Thinking that understanding and timing leads does not involve craft, skill or football nous is the opinion of a numpty. It is the skill of a forward, and it's so valuable because its capable of being replicated. It's a systematic pathway to goal. This is exactly what professional sports teams want- the path way to scoring that you could do again and again.

What makes Fogarty intriguing in this regard, and what should make him valuable to us (if the club is capable of assessing and using it) is that he has a scoring range far greater than the average forward. Vader, as is his wont, completely misses the point. 'Good teams' won't defend the areas Fog scored from with more effort, because it's incredibly hard to stop lead up play if its executed properly. The best method is to get people in to plug the gaps. But look at where Fog scored from. Teams are not going to dedicate extra bodies to guarding the flanks and boundary line. Why? Because that leaves the ******* corridor for 1 on 1 match ups. If they were foolish enough to do it, you'd just take it to the bank. This is how you create space. Its a space on the ground that you absolutely can create scoring shots in.

It's the equivalent of having good three point shooters in basketball, or a burner wide out in the NFL. The skill set dramatically changes how teams can defend, and where you can zone. This is what modern sports are about: finding players with skills that counter how defence can be played.

Why do most teams not do it? It's really hard to get guys who are reliable shots from that range / angle. If you're getting people who can only convert occasionally from out there then it is lower percentage than the bomb to the square. It's rare to get guys you can bank on there. And we're lucky enough right now to have two.

This is so correct, and should be so obvious.

If Fogarty can lead and score from the flanks/pockets, it makes our F50 harder to defend. Forgarty can lead wide, and they must defend him; leaving the centre channel free for Tex to lead into.

If Fogarty can slot goals from the 50 arc, AS WELL AS Tex, then they have to defend it.

They can both kick goals from the flanks/pockets/F50 arc - that is a massive weapon.

 

[Crow till I die]

I was at the game and i didnt mind Fogs game in the centre, it was defiantly one of those nearly games. I thought he positioned himself pretty well at CBA for a midfield rookie, and got into good areas that effected Norths CBA effectiveness. A tap or a bounce in his favour and he quickly gains a lot more possession and impact. I reckon give him a few more runs and see if he can build, can always dump him forward of the ball if it doesnt work out during game. A worthwhile experiment to see if we can get him into general play a lot more.

Absolutely agree with this. Also if he can affect the area with hard tackling pressure and use his strength to break the tackle it will make him more effective in the middle as he gets more experience

 

[Thetrader15]

99% of our supporters know nothing about football so if we are getting melts it means we are on the right course.

So you're saying we're on the right course?

 

[Vader]

I'd rather base team selection on challenging for a flag in 2023, then finishing 10th instead of 12th in 2021.

Playing Fog doesn't improve our chances in 2023, while it does destabilise our 2021 team, thereby screwing with the development of the other players.

 

[hey shorty]

Playing Fog doesn't improve our chances in 2023, while it does destabilise our 2021 team, thereby screwing with the development of the other players.

Imagine being as wrong as often as you have been and being so seemingly proud of it.

 

[jackster83]

Playing Fog doesn't improve our chances in 2023, while it does destabilise our 2021 team, thereby screwing with the development of the other players.

Righto. I suppose you'd rather play a cooked Lynch and a witches' hat in Frampton?

 

[TryAnHit]

Playing Fog doesn't improve our chances in 2023, while it does destabilise our 2021 team, thereby screwing with the development of the other players.

Know we know you are a troll

 

[Vader]

Righto. I suppose you'd rather play a cooked Lynch and a witches' hat in Frampton?

I'd rather we played a fit Lynch, but given that's not a viable option right now, I'd replace him with someone who can actually run. Either way, Fogarty is not capable of replacing Lynch.

I'd rather we played TT than Frampton. It's a nice strawman argument you have going here, given the number of times I've referred to Frampton as "worse than useless", and called for him to be dropped.

Fogarty wasn't replacing Lynch or Frampton anyway. He was replacing Sloane. In doing so, we effectively robbed both Peter & Paul, and paid nobody.

 

[flashcrow]

That was only for 25m out the arc? Correct or was it 50m back then?

History of rule changes 1858 - 2019.
Pretty interesting reading. And here I was thinking that the VFL/AFL continually messing with the rules of the game was a recent thing.


https://www.afl.com.au/about-afl/history/rule-changes

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Absolutely agree with this. Also if he can affect the area with hard tackling pressure and use his strength to break the tackle it will make him more effective in the middle as he gets more experience

If they can gift Frampton games for his poor efforts then they have to do it for Fog as well. I know who I want out there between the 2.

 

[GreyCrow]

Playing Fog doesn't improve our chances in 2023, while it does destabilise our 2021 team, thereby screwing with the development of the other players.

Yeah Lynch will come on one day

 

[CrowBloke]

Not sure why you would put Himmelberg in when he has perhaps been the worst performing tall in the whole squad this year.

No, FRAMPTON has been the worst-performing tall in the AFL, where it counts.
The choice is not between Frampton and Himmelberg (who is spudding it up in the SANFL and that looks like an attitude problem); it's about who they'll bring in for Frampton.
Gotta be Thilthorpe or Worrell. If they play only half a game of good footy, that's better than Frampton's zero.

 

[dogs105]

Reading through this thread.

1. Fogarty's 3 goals were worthless should be dropped. Offers nothing.
2. Fogarty is also as good as Lockett.

play on.

Nah, you've missed the point.

*better* than Lockett

 

[dogs105]

What on earth is an SC joint?

Is McAdam the first footballer who's ever injured it? It's the parvovirus of football injuries

Isn't parvovirus the parvovirus of football?

 

[King Elvis]

Playing Fog doesn't improve our chances in 2023, while it does destabilise our 2021 team, thereby screwing with the development of the other players.

Yeah, alright.

 

[marvin]

Lockett: 1360 goals, 590 behinds = 69.7% accuracy
Fogarty: 29 goals, 5 behinds = 85.3%

Nope, I'm still sticking with Fogarty for accuracy. Amazing as Lockett was, Fogarty is in a whole class above him.

From Round 10 1985 to Round 17 1985 inclusive, Plugger kicked 46 goals 4 behinds. 92% accuracy.

You can’t ignore sample size.

 

[cleanhands]

Playing Fog doesn't improve our chances in 2023, while it does destabilise our 2021 team, thereby screwing with the development of the other players.

Oh dear I see you still have sea legs

 

[Murray2503]

In
Himmelberg Worrell Hately/Pedlar

Out
Frampton Lynch McHenry

Brown Butts McPherson
Smith Doedee Hamill
Sholl Laird Seedsman
McAdam Walker Hately/Pedlar
Rowe Himmelberg Murphy

ROB Schoenberg Keays

Kelly Fogarty Berry Worrell

Sub: Hately/Pedlar

Main players we need to contain:
Cerra Brayshaw Mundy Cox Fyfe Walters Darcy Taberner

 

[maxlilly]

From Round 10 1985 to Round 17 1985 inclusive, Plugger kicked 46 goals 4 behinds. 92% accuracy.

You can’t ignore sample size.

Thats nearly Porps territory now.
I always had confidence when he was lining up for goal

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Reading through this thread.

1. Fogarty's 3 goals were worthless should be dropped. Offers nothing.
2. Fogarty is also as good as Lockett.

play on.

As usual, the truth is in between these 2 extremes....

Funny that the same poster made these claims.

 

[Slippery Pete]

FFS I'm not comparing them as players - only the accuracy of their kicking for goal.

Why is it that so many people on this board have reading comprehension problems?

Because you’re comparing the strike rates of a bloke who’s kicked 29 career goals (!) and a bloke who kicked the most goals in the history of the game.

Do you think that’s even worth posting about, or do you think you might need to go back to the drawing board on that one

 

[Slippery Pete]

Never go full Vader.

This should be a thing. My new favourite quote

He makes Lindy sound like she split the atom

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

In
Himmelberg Worrell Hately/Pedlar

Out
Frampton Lynch McHenry

Brown Butts McPherson
Smith Doedee Hamill
Sholl Laird Seedsman
McAdam Walker Hately/Pedlar
Rowe Himmelberg Murphy

ROB Schoenberg Keays

Kelly Fogarty Berry Worrell

Sub: Murray

Main players we need to contain:
Cerra Brayshaw Mundy Cox Fyfe Walters Darcy Taberner

FFS.. Pedlar struggled to get through 4 quarters in his 1st sanfl game.

How about you calm your jets till he gets a few games & his fitness levels up.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I'd rather base team selection on challenging for a flag in 2023, then finishing 10th instead of 12th in 2021.

That’s why you’ve never been on the AFC board.