Preview Changes: R5 2021 vs Fremantle

[VictorianCrow85]

Out:
Frampton - Not up to it, depth player at best.
McPherson - I do like him, just feel his performances thus far this year have been well down on last year & I'd like to get a look at someone else.

In:
Worrell - Deserves a run.
Tilthorpe/Himmelberg - Prefer Tilthorpe get a game though won't be too worried if they go back to Himmelberg, depends really if he's in our future plans or not. If not it's a no brainer.


Close:

Luke Pedlar a couple more strong SANFL hit outs and deserves a crack too, love what I've seen of him so far.

 

[1970crow]

But you don’t upset dynamics whilst winning. Only make the necessary changes.

Any change that improves the team is necessary.

 

[Scorpus]

Based on the SANFL I think we have these players to choose from

Worrell
Hately
Murray

I think Thilthorpe would be in the mix on talent alone

Jones at a pinch if we copped a bunch of midfield injuries

Not ready: Pedlar (fitness), the rest on form

 

[The Dukas]

Frampton has to be out, Ned gets another week because of the youth factor but needs to lift ASAP.
Thilthorpe can’t do worse than Frampton today and a home debut better than an away one

 

[Vader]

So who had more influence on the game?

Fogarty with 5 score involvements, of which 4 were his own scores, kicking 3.1

Lynch with 4 total score involvements, of which 2 were his own scores, kicking 0.2. The "Connector" with a whopping 2 score involvements up the field

Fogarty is an enigma, wrapped in a riddle.

He kicked 3.1, which is a pretty good return for a forward. Then you look a bit deeper. All of those scores were the result of lace out passes from the midfield. If the ball coming in was anything less than perfect, Fogarty was nowhere near it - and his lack of mobility & inability to provide defensive pressure combined to make him a complete liability. How often are we going to play a team as bad as North, who allowed those lace out passes due to their lack of midfield pressure? Is it worth persevering with him, given his inability to impact the game, except for the rare occasions when the opposition are as pathetic as North are in 2021? Fogarty needs to be able to win his own ball, not rely upon silver service from the midfield - and he needs to do more when he doesn't have the ball (at present he is a liability when the opposition has it). If he can do that, then he will deserve a place in the team, but right now there's no evidence that either of these things is likely to happen anytime soon. Fogarty has a positive impact on the game for 0.3% of the time, the remaining 99.7% he's a liability, but his 0.3% is really, really good (his right foot is an absolute weapon). Is it worth trading the 99.7% for that 0.3%? I would argue that it is not.

Lynch should not have played. He was clearly hampered by injury.

The problem is that you're trying to compare apples & oranges. Lynch plays one role, and normally does it extremely well (not today though, due to injury). Fogarty plays a completely different role, and plays it well when the opposition allow him to do so. Fogarty is simply not capable of performing Lynch's role.

Based on what we saw today, Lynch should be rested while he recovers from injury. His replacement should not be Fogarty.

There are two separate issues here, and you appear to be conflating them:
Should Lynch have played today? No - we are agreed on this.
Should Fogarty replace Lynch, playing Lynch's role? No - he's completely incapable of doing so.

 

[dogs105]

One thing that's really good:
Berry is not quite there, McHenry is not quite there, Rowe is not quite there - but they are doing a bit and we can keep playing them

 

[Vader]

Often enough to kick 35-40 goals.

Averages 1.2 per game over his career so far. For a 22 game season, that's 27 goals. Nowhere near 35-40.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Fogarty is an enigma, wrapped in a riddle.

He kicked 3.1, which is a pretty good return for a forward. Then you look a bit deeper. All of those scores were the result of lace out passes from the midfield. If the ball coming in was anything less than perfect, Fogarty was nowhere near it - and his lack of mobility & inability to provide defensive pressure combined to make him a complete liability. How often are we going to play a team as bad as North, who allowed those lace out passes due to their lack of midfield pressure? Is it worth persevering with him, given his inability to impact the game, except for the rare occasions when the opposition are as pathetic as North are in 2021? Fogarty needs to be able to win his own ball, not rely upon silver service from the midfield - and he needs to do more when he doesn't have the ball (at present he is a liability when the opposition has it). If he can do that, then he will deserve a place in the team, but right now there's no evidence that either of these things is likely to happen anytime soon. Fogarty has a positive impact on the game for 0.3% of the time, the remaining 99.7% he's a liability, but his 0.3% is really, really good (his right foot is an absolute weapon). Is it worth trading the 99.7% for that 0.3%? I would argue that it is not.

Lynch should not have played. He was clearly hampered by injury.

The problem is that you're trying to compare apples & oranges. Lynch plays one role, and normally does it extremely well (not today though, due to injury). Fogarty plays a completely different role, and plays it well when the opposition allow him to do so. Fogarty is simply not capable of performing Lynch's role.

Based on what we saw today, Lynch should be rested while he recovers from injury. His replacement should not be Fogarty.

There are two separate issues here, and you appear to be conflating them:
Should Lynch have played today? No - we are agreed on this.
Should Fogarty replace Lynch, playing Lynch's role? No - he's completely incapable of doing so.

You should just quit whilst you are behind, rather than increasing the size of your ramblings....

 

[Scorpus]

There are two separate issues here, and you appear to be conflating them:
Should Lynch have played today? No - we are agreed on this.
Should Fogarty replace Lynch, playing Lynch's role? No - he's completely incapable of doing so.

I agree with both of these, but that doesn't mean Fogarty shouldn't be in the team.

For what it's worth Nicks was happy with the role Fogarty played, based on his presser

 

[dogs105]

I agree with both of these, but that doesn't mean Fogarty shouldn't be in the team.

For what it's worth Nicks was happy with the role Fogarty played, based on his presser

His versatility is so good too. Play as a midfielder, or lead from the square when Tex is having a rest, or run around forward 50 taking marks

 

[Vader]

You should just quit whilst you are behind, rather than increasing the size of your ramblings....

If you're blinded by shinytoyitis, then that's your problem.

You need to look at the whole of his game, which has both good and bad aspects to it. You're focus is tunnel vision-like on the positives, ignoring the other 99.7% of the game, where he is a complete liability.

 

[hey shorty]

Averages 1.2 per game over his career so far. For a 22 game season, that's 27 goals. Nowhere near 35-40.

And you don't think he can improve ?? You are a bit of a numpty at times.

 

[MrBarry]

Dig a bit deeper than just the goals. What does he provide? He had 5 touch’s, 5. All of them from the hard work of his teammates hitting him up on a lead. So he did absolutely nothing in general play, zero, nada, nothing. Had 1 tackle. He offers nothing Walker isn’t already providing and much more. Would rather another small who can provide defensive pressure and more touch’s in general play, go back to the two tall setup with Tex and Frampton/Berg/TT.

Ridiculous take, 'dig deeper than the 3 goals'. You win the ****in game by kicking goals for a start.

'All of them are the hard work of his team mates'. The same can be said of any forward in the comp ffs, but his job is to put them through.

 

[Vader]

I agree with both of these, but that doesn't mean Fogarty shouldn't be in the team.

For what it's worth Nicks was happy with the role Fogarty played, based on his presser

If Fogarty has 12 disposals, it's a good game. If Fogarty requires lace-out silver service, for every single disposal... then he won't have a long future at AFL level.

I take everything that coaches say with a grain of salt, especially after watching Making Their Mark. They will always be loyal, sticking up for their man, when speaking in public.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Not really getting the hate for McHenry. A little undisciplined at times but his effort is enormous. Need to keep putting games into him.

Out: Frampton, Lynch
In: Thilthorpe, Hately

 

[MrBarry]

If you're blinded by shinytoyitis, then that's your problem.

You need to look at the whole of his game, which has both good and bad aspects to it. You're focus is tunnel vision-like on the positives, ignoring the other 99.7% of the game, where he is a complete liability.

Your bizzare dislike of Fogarty is blinding you mate, you sound like Neil Craig in disguise. 'Yeah he kicks goals as a foward, but he needs to be dropped cos he doesn't get enough tackles in defence'.

Piss off.

 

[MrBarry]

Not really getting the hate for McHenry. A little undisciplined at times but his effort is enormous. Need to keep putting games into him.

Out: Frampton, Lynch
In: Thilthorpe, Hately

These would be my changes.

 

[Vader]

And you don't think he can improve ?? You are a bit of a numpty at times.

I haven't seen any signs of improvement in him since he played his first game. Have you?

This is his 4th season, and he's still incapable of winning his own ball. Exactly how long are you willing to give him, while you wait for him to acquire this important skill?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If you're blinded by shinytoyitis, then that's your problem.

You need to look at the whole of his game, which has both good and bad aspects to it. You're focus is tunnel vision-like on the positives, ignoring the other 99.7% of the game, where he is a complete liability.

You are blinded by past performances & don't judge on the now.

You are alone on this one... including our coach who was happy with the Fog.

But I'm sure you will keep digging that hole lol.

 

[MrBarry]

I haven't seen any signs of improvement in him since he played his first game. Have you?

Well it would help if we played the bloke to make that assessment wouldn't it? He's played 25 games ffs....

 

[Vader]

Your bizzare dislike of Fogarty is blinding you mate, you sound like Neil Craig in disguise. 'Yeah he kicks goals as a foward, but he needs to be dropped cos he doesn't get enough tackles in defence'.

Piss off.

It's not that he doesn't "get enough tackles in defence", it's that he doesn't do anything else. He doesn't win his own ball, doesn't apply any pressure whatsoever to the opposition. He does nothing.

If the ball's not delivered lace out, silver service style, then Fogarty is nowhere near it.

 

[Sanders]

4 of Fogs were scores he kicked himself. The point of "the connector" is that he creates goals for others.

Score Involvements where score is kicked by another player:
Fogarty - 1
Lynch - 4

that’s insane!

you’re marking Fog down because he created his own goals?
shark officially jumped

 

[Vader]

Well it would help if we played the bloke to make that assessment wouldn't it? He's played 25 games ffs....

... and why do you think he hasn't played more? You're putting the cart before the horse.

 

[MrBarry]

It's not that he doesn't "get enough tackles in defence", it's that he doesn't do anything else. He doesn't win his own ball, doesn't apply any pressure whatsoever to the opposition. He does nothing.

If the ball's not delivered lace out, silver service style, then Fogarty is nowhere near it.

Again, just more rubbish - the bloke is a rolls royce forward. If Fogarty kicks 2-3 goals every week for the rest of the season, he's more than done his job.

 

[MrBarry]

... and why do you think he hasn't played more? You're putting the cart before the horse.

Because we've had an idiotic selection policy at times and he missed most of 2019 through injury.