Preview Changes: R5 vs Richmond - Saturday April 16, 4.05pm ACST @ Adelaide Oval

[Scorpus]

IN:
McAdam, Cook, Berry

OUT:
Hinge, Rowe, Schoenberg

Hinge dropped and named as an emergency, not injured

 

[ContrarianCrow]

I’d keep Billy in over Murray. A below average 1on1 defender can be hidden to an extent in the modern game via zones and the third tall coming over the top. What can’t be hidden is diabolical kicking, and Murray very firmly sits in that category at the moment. Bad D50 ball users are team killers almost everytime, both directly (turnover goals) and indirectly (slow chip play to get it in someone else’s hands or predictable dump kicks).

In a perfect world, everything clicks and Mcasey remembers why he was so highly rated as a junior, then we don’t have to pick either of them.

 

[DJ75]

You have named Schoenberg twice instead of Berry

So I have. Good pick up. Berry on the bench and as a midfield rotation.

 

[DJ75]

I’d keep Billy in over Murray. A below average 1on1 defender can be hidden to an extent in the modern game via zones and the third tall coming over the top. What can’t be hidden is diabolical kicking, and Murray very firmly sits in that category at the moment. Bad D50 ball users are team killers almost everytime, both directly (turnover goals) and indirectly (slow chip play to get it in someone else’s hands or predictable dump kicks).

In a perfect world, everything clicks and Mcasey remembers why he was so highly rated as a junior, then we don’t have to pick either of them.

Imagine how good that would be! Sadly I just can't see it happening.

 

[conVINCEd]

Crouch is needed.

What for?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

On selection... what I'm hoping to see emerge is a clear plan for the development of our line up. Don't want to see chopping and changing.

The good first

Frampton
His selection is not one I agree with personally however we do need better footskills coming out of our back half and Billy has got those. Defensive skills are easier to teach than attacking skills. So perhaps we're better with a skilled player who sucks defensively than a decent defender who's wobbly with ball in hand. I can see the logic and the reasons why. Assuming we stick with him that is.

Jones and McHenry
I've put them together as both are first round picks who have underwhelmed. We've been prepared to ride out some quiet games. Continuing to back them in. Allowing them to survive on the things they do well currently rather than measuring their overall output. In time this investment should deliver us a couple of decent (hopefully better than decent) players.

Schoenberg
Similar to the above two - we've obviously anointed him as a midfielder of our future. Has had a good run the last 12 months or so and shown enough. Now we're riding out a flat start to the season which is necessary with the young players you've identified as key future ingredients. This week will be a real test case for our coaches. Continue with the plan = Schoenberg gets back his midfield minutes at the expense of Crouch and/or Sloane's. Will watch with interest.

Thilthorpe
Again, dropping him was not a decision I agree with personally. However if there's stuff there we don't like and we believe he needs a stretch in the level below then do it properly. Needs to be an extended stretch. Need to take the mindset that this will be his last ever stretch of SANFL games. Get him to the point that he's completely AFL ready, never to return to the SANFL. I don't want to see him in for a couple of weeks then back out again. We've seen with Fogarty how pointless this yoyo exercise is.

And now for the bad

Pedlar out, in for a game, sub, back out.

Cook not picked, in for a game, out again, sub.

This stuff is moronic. We're not good enough to overcome idiotic non-development like this. No drafted player is good enough to handle both the difficulty of AFL football and ineptness from their own coaching panel.

 

[Vader]

I’d keep Billy in over Murray. A below average 1on1 defender can be hidden to an extent in the modern game via zones and the third tall coming over the top. What can’t be hidden is diabolical kicking, and Murray very firmly sits in that category at the moment. Bad D50 ball users are team killers almost everytime, both directly (turnover goals) and indirectly (slow chip play to get it in someone else’s hands or predictable dump kicks).

In a perfect world, everything clicks and Mcasey remembers why he was so highly rated as a junior, then we don’t have to pick either of them.

Sadly, we haven't been able to hide Billy's defensive deficiencies, and he's cost us multiple goals in both games as a result.

 

[Vader]

Thilthorpe's situation is an interesting one...

All of our tall forwards sucked massively in the R1 loss to Freo, but TT was the only one who was dropped. To be fair, he's young & inexperienced, and appeared to be down on confidence - so dropping him was probably the correct decision.

Thilthorpe has responded with 2 good games in the SANFL, and has probably done enough to justify AFL selection again. However, in his absence the opportunities have dried up. Tex returned with a stellar performance; Berg & Gollant both kicked 4 goals against Port and backed that up with good performances against Essendon. So who makes way to bring him back in? We would either need to drop a player who is performing, play 4 tall forwards (not recommended), or TT will have to wait until someone's form drops away.

 

[ContrarianCrow]

Sadly, we haven't been able to hide Billy's defensive deficiencies, and he's cost us multiple goals in both games as a result.

Neither of them are genuine long term options based on what I've seen. I'd argue Billy serves us better currently as he can hit a target and generally keep the play moving, rather than acting as a handbrake and bogging down our defensive transition. There's a reason we weren't overly fussed about Hartigan or Kelly leaving, even with our relatively thin defensive stocks. I'd be tempted to throw Fish or even Borlase in at some point so we can make a call on their futures.

 

[Vader]

Neither of them are genuine long term options based on what I've seen. I'd argue Billy serves us better currently as he can hit a target and generally keep the play moving, rather than acting as a handbrake and bogging down our defensive transition. There's a reason we weren't overly fussed about Hartigan or Kelly leaving, even with our relatively thin defensive stocks. I'd be tempted to throw Fish or even Borlase in at some point so we can make a call on their futures.

You're right that there was a reason we let Kelly & Hartigan go. Frampton is & was not that reason. Murray & McAsey are & were.

 

[Mutineer]

You're right that there was a reason we let Kelly & Hartigan go. Frampton is & was not that reason. Murray & McAsey are & were.

Nope, Murray was brought in when McAsey personal issues were thought to be a problem looking into the future.

Hinge if anything was brought in for Kelly who had telegraphed he was likely heading home at the end of his contract.

 

[CrowinNT]

No way we could change a “nearly winning side.”

Love the S Meter Froggy

 

[Slippery Pete]

Agreed that we have the right to boo who ever we want. But foul swearing is not on.

Actually an interesting point…

Most probably agree on F and C, but I’ve seen some conjecture on whether dickhead is an acceptable use word at the footy.

Thoughts folks? Or should I say, thoughts dickheads?

 

[crows dude]

Thilthorpe's situation is an interesting one...

All of our tall forwards sucked massively in the R1 loss to Freo, but TT was the only one who was dropped. To be fair, he's young & inexperienced, and appeared to be down on confidence - so dropping him was probably the correct decision.

Thilthorpe has responded with 2 good games in the SANFL, and has probably done enough to justify AFL selection again. However, in his absence the opportunities have dried up. Tex returned with a stellar performance; Berg & Gollant both kicked 4 goals against Port and backed that up with good performances against Essendon. So who makes way to bring him back in? We would either need to drop a player who is performing, play 4 tall forwards (not recommended), or TT will have to wait until someone's form drops away.

Play him in ruck. Will give more than ROB is currently.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Actually an interesting point…

Most probably agree on F and C, but I’ve seen some conjecture on whether dickhead is an acceptable use word at the footy.

Thoughts folks? Or should I say, thoughts dickheads?

My earliest memories of watching cricket on tv

"Hadlee's a Wayne Kerr...."

 

[Slippery Pete]

My earliest memories of watching cricket on tv

"Hadlee's a Wayne Kerr...."

 

[Vader]

Play him in ruck. Will give more than ROB is currently.

We need to drop ROB, but the replacement needs to be Strachan.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Thilthorpe's situation is an interesting one...

All of our tall forwards sucked massively in the R1 loss to Freo, but TT was the only one who was dropped. To be fair, he's young & inexperienced, and appeared to be down on confidence - so dropping him was probably the correct decision.

Thilthorpe has responded with 2 good games in the SANFL, and has probably done enough to justify AFL selection again. However, in his absence the opportunities have dried up. Tex returned with a stellar performance; Berg & Gollant both kicked 4 goals against Port and backed that up with good performances against Essendon. So who makes way to bring him back in? We would either need to drop a player who is performing, play 4 tall forwards (not recommended), or TT will have to wait until someone's form drops away.

Tex is safe and Gollant is too different in my view. It's Berg if we're looking for a simple swap. I can't see that happen with Berg's resurgence.

So maybe we need to think more widely for the best use of all our talls? It's a big discussion...

 

[Vader]

Tex is safe and Gollant is too different in my view. It's Berg if we're looking for a simple swap. I can't see that happen with Berg's resurgence.

So maybe we need to think more widely for the best use of all our talls? It's a big discussion...

Berg's resurgence will be temporary, if history is any guide. But for the time being, there's definitely no case for dropping him.

It is, as you say, a big discussion.

 

[BucketsNj]

I think I am only half joking. Cripes what we'd give to have a duo like those two in our men's midefield.

Heck put in Randall as well - the side could do with a boost of courage

This is not true. The one thing this team has is an absolute never say die attitude. And despite being beaten in the midfield, they managed to fight it out and nearly win it.
Criticism is fine but let’s stay away from just asserting things that are obviously not the case

 

[BucketsNj]

I’d keep Billy in over Murray. A below average 1on1 defender can be hidden to an extent in the modern game via zones and the third tall coming over the top. What can’t be hidden is diabolical kicking, and Murray very firmly sits in that category at the moment. Bad D50 ball users are team killers almost everytime, both directly (turnover goals) and indirectly (slow chip play to get it in someone else’s hands or predictable dump kicks).

In a perfect world, everything clicks and Mcasey remembers why he was so highly rated as a junior, then we don’t have to pick either of them.

Macasey had a very good game on the weekend. I think he needs to be given a chance.

 

[Interloperer]

Play him in ruck. Will give more than ROB is currently.

I mentally split rucks into 5 tiers (from best to worst): Genuinely Great ruck, Experienced Ruck, Specialist Ruck (ROB/Strachan), Part-time/2nd Ruck (Thilthorpe, Himmelberg, etc.,) Adhoc ruck (Walker in forward line)

A perfect 10/10 game from a player in the tier below will never do more than break even with a bad game from the tier above.

Maybe Thilthorpe will do more damage elsewhere on the ground to counterbalance it. But realistically that decision would just make the ruck problem even worse.

 

[Mutineer]

Macasey had a very good game on the weekend. I think he needs to be given a chance.

Very good is a bit of an exxaggeration don't you think?

It was a better showing but North were without several of their best talls due to Covid prorocols and injury.

I'd like to see him back it up a couple more times before I got too excited.

Worrell is the player that deserves a crack before McAsey IMO if we're promoting a defender.
Worrell only played the 3 quarters in the SANFL and was flown over as the emergency for the Bombers game, does that indicate he's next in line?

 

[LeftyLuke]

Having watched all of our the SANFL and AFL sides games, I am truly baffled as to why Berry isn’t in the AFL team. His two SANFL matches have been very strong.

He is a beast inside, tackles strong and isn’t the slowest player going around. His handballing two weeks ago was reminiscent of Matt Crouch circa 2017 when he would release team mates into space forward of the play.

Berry absolutely belongs in the AFL team.

There must be more to it. I thought Nick's was "Mr relationships". Perhaps Berry is going about it all wrong. He needs to be more unaccountable at stoppages and watch his opponent run off towards goal while giving a token chase. No one likes a showoff.

 

[Bay62]

Being young he would need a rest. Riley deserves a call up after his SANFL performance.

Berg has been going ok but I want to see TT in the forward line with Tex. Tex takes the main defender and no one better for TT to learn from about positioning etc

 

[GameofSloanes]

I would do:

Out: ROB, Murphy, Jones, Frampton, Hinge (inj)
In: Strachan, Berry, Hamill, Murray, Cook

Sloane to forward line. Otherwise out and keep one of the above.

TT in the following week if Hberg stinks it up, but HB has showdown credits in the bank still