Chris Judd - Greatest player of the 21st Century (so far)

[Obese Arachnid]

Judd is an absolute champ.

Should go down as West Coasts Greatest player so far.

A West Coast Legend!

 

[lionel_luthor]

cough cough splutter splutter .

your criteria is wrong .

Judd is a good player but just that .He is so favoured

How many players that voted him the MVP have actually seen him play the majority of his games ..none ... only his team mates... the year he split Pavs face open , he wins an undeserving Brownlow . he rarely marks or kicks goals . He breaks open packs with his speed , thats it.In this years 2 finals he played he was beaten easily and Ratten goes and carries on like a sook about how he was beaten etc and will take it up with the powers of the AFL.

go and think about your thread as you are way OFF .


TEAM players i would have before Judd

Ablett, Swan , Pendlebury, Thomas, Bartel , Kelly, Enright, Pavlich, Fyfe, Kerr, Dal santo , Goddard , Boyd, Murphy, Hodge,Mitchell , Goodes, Boomer,

That takes the biscuit for most drivel filled rant i have ever seen.

Judd averages just under one goal a game in his career and has kicked quite a few crucial goals for Carlton this season.
And Boomer Harvey a better team player then Judd ??? He is the most selfish, glory hunting player i have seen in all my years following footballer.

If you aksed most footy journos, they would agree with me, no doubt.

 

[Rustyspoon54]

lolwut?

Cousins is an all time great. I'd rate Judd in a category that sits between Cousins and Luke Power/Scott West/Rob Harvey types.

Please tell me you didn't just say that Rob Harvey wasnt an all time great of the game....

 

[peejay]

He has played 15 finals games - in 7 of them he was listed in the best players.
he goes missing in finals to many times to get the adulation he has received.

 

[strategy]

That takes the biscuit for most drivel filled rant i have ever seen.

Judd averages just under one goal a game in his career and has kicked quite a few crucial goals for Carlton this season.
And Boomer Harvey a better team player then Judd ??? He is the most selfish, glory hunting player i have seen in all my years following footballer.

If you aksed most footy journos, they would agree with me, no doubt.

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Over a total career , Boomer easily .
Judd is overated .

 

[goodoldcats]

And? "Judd developed earlier" is even the half of it.

1. Ablett (2009) - 10
2. Judd (2006) - 10
3. Ablett (2010) - 9.5
4. Judd (2004) - 9.5
5. Ablett (2008) - 9.5
6. Ablett (2007) - 9
7. Judd (2011) - 9
8. Ablett (2011) - 9
9. Judd (2010) - 8.5
10. Judd (2009) - 8.5
11. Judd (2005) - 8.5
12. Judd (2008) - 8
13. Judd (2007) - 8
14. Judd (2003) - 7
15. Ablett (2005) - 6.5
16. Ablett (2006) - 6
17. Ablett (2004) - 6
18. Judd (2002) - 6
19. Ablett (2003) - 5
20. Ablett (2002) - 3

Each of those first 13 seasons are unequivocally elite. Judd claims 8 of them to Ablett's 5. 2003 Judd was a level below elite (top 10 for clearances and 11th for contested possessions in his 2nd season, runner up in B&F) but still top 50 in the competition.

On another note, the entire house is shaking after a massive lightning bolt hit somewhere nearby. Bit rattled, I am.

Abletts 2008 was better than anything Judd has ever produced. You also massively overate his 2011 when he went missing when it mattered. I would have ablett with 4 out of the top 5

 

[blues4flag]

He has played 15 finals games - in 7 of them he was listed in the best players.
he goes missing in finals to many times to get the adulation he has received.

Please don't tell me you're talking about Chris Judd.

If so, get out. You've clearly no idea.

 

[8732watitdo]

Ablett over the last 5 years is better than Judd even at his peak with us. Ablett is a freak, best I've seen. Just my opinion.

 

[DTRAIN87]

That takes the biscuit for most drivel filled rant i have ever seen.

Judd averages just under one goal a game in his career and has kicked quite a few crucial goals for Carlton this season.
And Boomer Harvey a better team player then Judd ??? He is the most selfish, glory hunting player i have seen in all my years following footballer.

If you aksed most footy journos, they would agree with me, no doubt.

People have little respect for footy journalists for a reason. Great choice for a source of authority .

Abletts 2008 was better than anything Judd has ever produced. You also massively overate his 2011 when he went missing when it mattered. I would have ablett with 4 out of the top 5

Ablett was phenominal in 2008., So much better than Cooney.

 

[peejay]

Judd averages just under one goal a game in his career and has kicked quite a few crucial goals for Carlton this season.
.

True but since he became the Visy enviromental amabassador he has averaged .62 a game , thats just over a half. At WCE his ave was .86 He has dropped .24 in 4 seasons. At that rate he will finsh at well less than half a goal a game. probably somewhere near .38.

 

[blues4flag]

True but since he became the Visy enviromental amabassador he has averaged .62 a game , thats just over a half. At that rate he will finsh at well less than half a goal a game.

Not only do you have no idea about football, you're clearly clueless at maths. How does an average of 0.62 goals a game possibly lead to a career average of less than 0.5 goals?

 

[peejay]

Please don't tell me you're talking about Chris Judd.

If so, get out. You've clearly no idea.

Check the records.

 

[DTRAIN87]

Not only do you have no idea about football, you're clearly clueless at maths. How does an average of 0.62 goals a game possibly lead to a career average of less than 0.5 goals?

Learn to comprehend logic and rational statistical analysis.

 

[Gizza]

Judd did spend the vast majority of the 2007 season struggling with his groins*. But yeah Ablett's record is just as impressive as Judd's.

*lol

And Ablett spent the entirety of 2011 in a shit team.

 

[peejay]

Not only do you have no idea about football, you're clearly clueless at maths. How does an average of 0.62 goals a game possibly lead to a career average of less than 0.5 goals?

Actually its worse than i thought - he ave 1.02 a game at WCE - he ave .62 at visyland.

If his rate of decline continues he will drop below .5 what part of that don't you understand.

 

[fairlight_cmi]

Please tell me you didn't just say that Rob Harvey wasnt an all time great of the game....

Handy player, I wouldn't put him up in the Cousins category though.

 

[Lasso]

Effectiveness per disposal Judd>Ablett.

Judd was insane at west coast, lot of vics would not have seen his real peak much if at all when the game wasn't a stats fest.

Ablett gets more touches tho and kicks more goals which tips him slightly ahead.

Career wise very even but its hard to justify 5 very good years compared to 9.

 

[blues4flag]

Check the records.

He is widely regarded as one of the league's best finals player for a very good reason. Yes he was average in both finals this year, but prior to that when's the last time he's played a poor final (2007 excluded when he played clearly injured)?

 

[blues4flag]

Learn to comprehend logic and rational statistical analysis.

Righto champ, how exactly does a stable output of 0.62 goals per game with deviation of no more than 10%, lead to a drop to below 0.5 goals per game?

 

[Sttew]

If you go by my criteria of any player drafted on or after the year 2000, so players like Scarlett, Pav, Buckley, Hird Voss etc are ineligible.

Judd's record stands by itself, and this year first player i believe to poll more then 20 brownlow votes in 5 seasons.

For sheer consistency the only player that comes to Judd for mantle of best 21st century player is Gary Ablett Jnr, but his first season didn't set the world on fire.

Yes I know this century is only 11 years old, but clearly Judd will be remembered as this century's first AFL immortal, will be named as a legend in the AFL Hall of Fame when he retires, and rightfully so.

This thread should have been retitled, "...Greatest midfielder of the 21st C so far". You talk about consistency. What about Matthew Scarlett?

 

[ashs35]

Ablett: 290 Goals, 221 behinds, 212 games.

Judd: 193 Goals, 155 behinds, 222 games.

This is the only difference I can see between them and it's a pretty comprehensive difference.

 

[wce4premiership]

The OP is right in what he's saying

Judd had about 2-3 years of great football before ablett fired up, even with ablett doing better than judd and being a better player now, overall he hasn't caught him yet.

If you look at it as a score out of 10 for every season for example ablett will certainly be making ground up now but be slightly behind. He will imo finish above though, he's also imo better (just took longer to fire)

 

[Tulip]

Chris Judd may acquire legend status in a decade or two. Despite what you might think, he'll wait like many of his superiors and inferiors have had to.

Adam Goodes has been a more consistent footballer (and for longer), played for one club, won two Brownlow's including one from the ruck and is just generally going to be remembered as the better footballer by our generation IMO.

 

[Tulip]

Who knows what Pendlebury will become. Could become a god at the rate he's going.

Judd was a better player at their respective age.

 

[Flinch]

Call it bias or whatever you want, Chris Judd was a superior footballer at West Coast then at Carlton and was the premier midfielder of the comp. He was 24 when he left so he was entering his prime years but was robbed of his main assest is pace. I think Ablett is the more natural footballer out of the two, but some of the things Judd did left me .