Chris Scott - Hold that loss

[Damon_3388]

Looking for his own Shane Ellen stroke of genius move, perhaps?

There is certainly evidence that he is coaching with his ego, and trying to pull out "special" moves out that he can hang his hat on. Stupidly arrogant at the business end of the year.

 

[Damon_3388]

Buzza should have been getting games during the middle of the year when Ratugolea was out injured for the 4 or so weeks with hamstring. Bringing him in keeps the structures the same and plays a player in his natural role. I said on the Cats board at the time that if he didn't get picked then that we might as well just delist him on the spot. It's just strange considering they gave him some games a couple of years ago when he was way more raw of a player.

For sure.

Buzza is 23 years old, is out of contract, seemingly out of favour. This might spell the end of him at Geelong. Would be a decent depth pick-up for either of the QLD clubs IMO, being from there originally.

 

[demondavey]

Buzza should have been getting games during the middle of the year when Ratugolea was out injured for the 4 or so weeks with hamstring. Bringing him in keeps the structures the same and plays a player in his natural role. I said on the Cats board at the time that if he didn't get picked then that we might as well just delist him on the spot. It's just strange considering they gave him some games a couple of years ago when he was way more raw of a player.

Picking Henderson as a FF with a guy offering that at VFL level is negligent. I honestly can’t recall Henderson playing a great game for years now, certainly not at Geelong.

 

[WillieNillie]

Proves Scott is the problem there.

Richmond could have tried fancy moves too, not playing Soldo or moving a random midfielder back or forward.. but they didn't. They stuck to what is the winning recipe. Geelong just screwed up really bad. Basically lost a game, they should have been able to win. Richmond didn't play very well.

Even looking at the player stats.. it's filled with Geelong players up the top. Richmond's best players were Houli, Lynch and Prestia surrounded by about 10 Geelong players. Just horrible coaching ruined them.

Imagine the uproar if

- Hardwick played David Astbury on the wing
- Moved Nathan Broad to FF to be the key target
- Let Tom Stewart get 30'possessions
- Played Dusty up at FF while team is losing the midfield battle.
- Played Dan Butler ahead of Daniel Rioli because he wanted a tackler
- Next week drops Soldo to play Asbtury in the ruck because their is a 30% chance of rain

He would get his ass chewed out

 

[PhatBoy]

He was the single reason they lost tonight. Day in day out he gets away with shambolic matchday coaching and no one sees boo about it because he is a media love child. Things he got wrong tonight

- Bilcavs on a wing. Did NOTHING while his obvious matchup in Lynch torched them
- Knew he had to win the game based on tackling yet left guys like Parfitt and Henry play who couldnt tackle a feather. They missed a guy like Scott Selwood putting some pressure on the ball
- Dangerfields rotations were absurd. He spent way too much time up forward in the second half. Ablett also spent way too much time at HFF. Needed to be in the goal square with Hawkins out
- Henderson hasnt played forward for 6 bloody years. Why play him at FF for. He should have been the one attacking the ball on the wing with Ratagoluea deep forward to provide a contest. Henderson can lead okay however he has no leap and no contested marking ability so why have him as the person who gets the ball kicked on his head
- Houli had no one within boo of him. Should have had Atkins lock down on him from the first bounce

I can think of many more things to add but all in all it was the worst coaching performance of the season by any coach.

Yeah there was only 31 players on the field who made less tackles than Parfitt.

His lack of tackling was definitely a major contributing factor.

 

[WillieNillie]

Yeah there was only 31 players on the field who made less tackles than Parfitt.

His lack of tackling was definitely a major contributing factor.

Read rest of the thread. His in and under tackling is the issue. He can chase them down but he is not winning you a clearance. He is not taking down Dusty and all in all his tackling pressure isn't in the same league as Scott Selwoods

 

[Falconx]

Picking Henderson as a FF with a guy offering that at VFL level is negligent. I honestly can’t recall Henderson playing a great game for years now, certainly not at Geelong.

Problems started around the middle of the year once some injured players like Bews and Tuohy came back. Instead of sticking with what worked the MC play favourites instead of structures. You can't play 9 defenders every week and expect to have a balanced list. It's why Clark was moved to the wing, Blicavs to ruck/wing, Tuohy and Henderson forward and so on. Realistically we have so little forward depth that it's just easier to put a defender there even though everyone knows it doesn't work.

 

[PhatBoy]

Read rest of the thread. His in and under tackling is the issue. He can chase them down but he is not winning you a clearance. He is not taking down Dusty and all in all his tackling pressure isn't in the same league as Scott Selwoods

Well for starters, does anyone really tackle Martin effectively? He’s a little guy, he’s not going to be taking down bull midfielders like shelling peas. I didn’t think he was great last night but he was the least of our concerns.

Why do people feel the need to read into something more than is necessary?

At the end of the day, we dominated a half of footy against the form side of the comp in front of about 70,000 of their fans on their home ground. They came at us in the third and were too strong, in the last we created enough opportunities to win the game and were actually very even with them in most areas but some incredibly poor decision making and some awful skill errors cost us.

Why can’t that just be it?

 

[WillieNillie]

Well for starters, does anyone really tackle Martin effectively? He’s a little guy, he’s not going to be taking down bull midfielders like shelling peas. I didn’t think he was great last night but he was the least of our concerns.

Why do people feel the need to read into something more than is necessary?

At the end of the day, we dominated a half of footy against the form side of the comp in front of about 70,000 of their fans on their home ground. They came at us in the third and were too strong, in the last we created enough opportunities to win the game and were actually very even with them in most areas but some incredibly poor decision making and some awful skill errors cost us.

Why can’t that just be it?

Why even have a coach? Why not just launch darts at a board, send them in the field and let that be that?

Incredibly poor decisions and skill errors occur off the field too. If they didn't or can't why do you have 8 coaches which cost 3 million in cap funds for? A expensive ass cheerleading team if that's the argument

 

[PhatBoy]

Why even have a coach? Why not just launch darts at a board, send them in the field and let that be that?

Incredibly poor decisions and skill errors occur off the field too. If they didn't or can't why do you have 8 coaches which cost 3 million in cap funds for? A expensive ass cheerleading team if that's the argument

Using this logic literally every defeat ever is simply a result of the coaches.

And also completely ruins the narrative that Scott had no part in our 2011 premiership.

If he gets smashed so hard about the result, why isn’t he getting praised for brewing an upset at half time?

Was it a case of no coaching at all in the first half, and then he storms into the box at the break and it all goes **** up? We could have probably led by 30+ at half time, no one seems to mention that we were doing a number on them at that point.

 

[WillieNillie]

Using this logic literally every defeat ever is simply a result of the coaches.

And also completely ruins the narrative that Scott had no part in our 2011 premiership.

If he gets smashed so hard about the result, why isn’t he getting praised for brewing an upset at half time?

Was it a case of no coaching at all in the first half, and then he storms into the box at the break and it all goes **** up? We could have probably led by 30+ at half time, no one seems to mention that we were doing a number on them at that point.

It's both obviously. This game though. Players did their job, the coach didn't. You won the midfield battle easily on the overall flow of the game. You looked better moving the ball, you caused plenty of turnovers. Richmond were simply not at their best, they were down 1 man with Graham barely functioning and Broad knocked out too

A few players made skill errors in front of goal, Richmond were equally as bad in that regard. Where they won was Tom Lynchs dominance, Dusty ability to play out 4 quarters whereas Danger did not and the inability of Geelong to keep the tackling pressure up all game across the field, including Houli doing as he pleased while Stewart was shut down. That's all coaching

Tom Lynch did not have best opponent on him to stop him
Danger was moved out of the game by being moved away from the ball
Houli ran free without anopponent all game

What else can I say here?

 

[the PILL]

If I was Danger I'd have the shitz bigtime...

 

[Testekill]

I'm gobsmacked that he wasn't tagged but no-one seems to lock down on him. Which is crazy because he is deadly with the ball in his hand. He is absolutely crucial to the way they play.

It's weird; Houli was probably best on in 2017 and it should've become abundantly clear that he's one of the key movers for Richmond. Teams immediately started putting the clamps on Johannisen after 2016 but nobody is doing it with Houli which honestly confuses me because you don't want Houli doing whatever he wants out there.

 

[biggiemediums]

They were in the game on the scoreboard until 7 minutes to go. Wasn't it 4 points the difference?

You don't think Hawkins for the whole game would have helped?

Congrats to Richmond they deserved to win but imo Geelong might have won with Hawkins.

I honestly don't understand how anyone can say this without realising how stupid it is. Adding Hawkins in to that game LITERALLY changes every single kick, handball and play from minute 1 to minute 120. For all you know if Hawkins plays, Geelong may well lose by 8 goals or win by 20.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Monday night on 360 will be good wankley crying, Scott salty all we need is Anthony Hudson and a cross to Loook at me Look at me

 

[Coaster2012]

Their second half of the season was a 50% win and loss. If they played the first half the way they played the 2nd, they would have struggled to even make the 8. They just had no firepower last night and were just panicking every time they got in their forward half.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Baffling that when Richmond were getting the run-on at the start of the 3rd quarter we had Danger, Selwood and Stewart on the bench and our full back playing on the wing.

Also baffling that we have youngsters like Buzza who is a KPF and Constable who is a midfielder who were busting a gut in the VFL and would have been more than suitable replacements for Duncan and Hawkins, yet we moved two defenders from the back line in Blicavs and Henderson to the wing and full forward.

Smart man that coach of yours, you wouldn’t understand so he won’t bother to tell you

 

[NeutralFan]

Tackling was not the reason at all they lost and Parfitt in particular laid some really good ones.
Game was never in Geelong's terms second half and when their opportunities came up they just made awful momentary errors whilst Richmond had huge individual performances (Houli, Lynch, Martin, Prestia).

Henderson didn't work, would've been better off putting in another small and having a Richmond 2017-esque forward line and I reckon it would've worked considering how much trouble the Tigers had at ground level in D50

 

[jerry springer]

seems to coach against himself himself on a regular basis

 

[Loken]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can say this without realising how stupid it is. Adding Hawkins in to that game LITERALLY changes every single kick, handball and play from minute 1 to minute 120. For all you know if Hawkins plays, Geelong may well lose by 8 goals or win by 20.

Correct that's why i said they MIGHT have won...

However i'm sure you can see that having your leading goal kicker in your side in most cases would be a positive and give you a better chance of winning.

 

[Werewolf]

Is there a player that has lost more pre lim finals than Danger? Without winning one that is.

Brad Johnson played in five losing prelims ('97, '98, '08, '09, '10) unfortunately. Not his fault though

 

[WillieNillie]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can say this without realising how stupid it is. Adding Hawkins in to that game LITERALLY changes every single kick, handball and play from minute 1 to minute 120. For all you know if Hawkins plays, Geelong may well lose by 8 goals or win by 20.

I honestly don't understand why a coach has no plan B. Guy is old as shit, you cannot rely on him to play week in week out and simply pray he doesn't fall over. Many good teams had injuries this year and those teams simply roll out plan B

Geelong having no plan B rests on a Scott's shoulders and no one else's

 

[the harry]

Brad Johnson played in five losing prelims ('97, '98, '08, '09, '10) unfortunately. Not his fault though

I should have really remembered that.

 

[The Donners]

There are question marks over his coaching but I just don't think he has the cattle compared to the very best teams like the Tigers.

When you have a great game plan your bottom 6 players are more effective than those of the opposing teams. Guys like Lambert, Baker, Short, Ellis and Bolton look much better than O’Connor, Menegola, Henry, Bews, Parfitt and Atkins when really the ability of those players is comparable in isolation.

 

[The Donners]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can say this without realising how stupid it is. Adding Hawkins in to that game LITERALLY changes every single kick, handball and play from minute 1 to minute 120. For all you know if Hawkins plays, Geelong may well lose by 8 goals or win by 20.

The counter argument is that Geelong weren’t Hawkins-centric which meant they were less predictable - clearly a problem if any that Geelong have is predictability.