Coach Chris Scott re-signs to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part IV)

[Vdubs]

In the last 10 minutes?

The effort didn't look very high from where I was sitting - I did leave a few minutes into the 4th though.

Had we converted our many opportunities, you might have stayed longer. That was the Pies pressure, I know. They just stifled any semblance of play that we attempted.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

What s**ts me is for some reason the Geelong hierarchy think he is a brilliant coach. Honestly I think his numbers are simply overinflated due to the GMHBA ground advantage that we have. If we had to play at the G like the other teams there is no way he would have the winning percentage he does. The GMHBA stadium dimensions ultimately though bite us in the arse when we make the finals as we can't handle the opposition sides spread with our poor zone.

Completely disagree.
We play almost entirely minnows or interstate teams at home, all of which we'd beat just as often if it was at the G or Marvel.
It's actually more of a disadvantage because we don't get any genuine 50/50 games at home that can tip the result our way, like most of the other interstate teams have.

 

[foxdog50]

Currently 11 have said yes in supporting Chris Scott
And 59 have said No..... That's a big margin....

 

[foxdog50]

Was this the biggest coaching blunder of the year?

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David King takes aim at Geelong coach Chris Scott over Rhys Stanley selection call
Geelong’s season is hanging by a thread and the blame lies squarely at the feet of coach Chris Scott, according to North Melbourne great David King.
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September 8, 2019 4:18pm

FOXSPORTS3:06 Pies down Cats at MCG

AFL: Collingwood have held out Geelong to claim a 10-point victory in their qualifying final clash at the MCG.

Geelong coach Chris Scott should take full responsibility for the Cats’ latest finals failure according to North Melbourne great David King.
The Cats are staring at the possibility of a straight-sets finals exit as they try to fix their ruck problem against Nic Naitanui’s West Coast Eagles on Friday night.
King said Scott got it horribly wrong at the selection table when Geelong made the surprise call to drop ruckman Rhys Stanley for the qualifying finals against Collingwood.

Gun defender Mark Blicavs was moved into the ruck but had only one kick, 10 handballs, 14 hitouts and two marks as Collingwood exploded out of the blocks.

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“This game was lost by Chris Scott,” King said.
“Chris has decided to move Blicavs into the ruck, and drop (Rhys) Stanley, or not select him to take on (Brodie) Grundy, which is a strange decision on the back of the weather.
“It just changed so much in this game, (because it) made the full-back go into a position where had no effect.”
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Geelong coach Chris Scott shakes hands with Nathan Buckley before the qualifying final.
King said it was Scott’s fault that Geelong’s premiership campaign now “hangs in the balance” after finishing top of the table.
“The selection table is one of the pillars of the coaching manual, and that’s a major responsibility – to get that right,” King said on Fox Footy’s First Crack.
“You are paying these guys $800,000–$1 million a year not to make mistakes on this sort of stuff. They (senior coaches) can’t be the reason you are getting rolled.
“This didn’t need to happen, they didn’t need to take that gamble. I’m disappointed for the Geelong fans that another finals series hangs in the balance.”
Stanley is likely to be recalled for the clash against the Eagles in a bid to curb Naitanui’s extraordinary influence around the stoppages.
Naitanui had nine contested possessions and 24 hitouts in his comeback from an ankle injury in the Eagles’ commanding win over Essendon on Thursday night.
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Stanley’s return means Blicavs would certainly shift back into defence for a job on either West Coast spearhead Josh Kennedy or Jack Darling.
King said Scott needed to focus on making the right calls for Geelong on the field to avoid this season being a wasted year for the club.
Since the 2011 premiership Geelong has won only three of 12 finals appearances.
“His job is to win this elusive flag (because) 2011 was his first year and (Mark) ‘Bomber’ Thompson left him a fantastic team of absolute stars,” King said.
“But since then they have failed to get to the top of Everest again, and they’ve got a fantastic list, they have got a great home ground advantage down at Kardinia Park — GMHBA Stadium.
“I just think if they go out in straight sets, the fallout will be significant and it doesn’t cost him his job, but it’s just another year lost.”
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I'm not a David King fan but this article is spot on.

 

[Munich]

Can't read the article.

I see DeGoey has flown to Deutschland...

 

[King Cold]

Currently 11 have said yes in supporting Chris Scott
And 59 have said No..... That's a big margin....

7 of those 11 votes are from Hawthorn supporters who I'd like to give a shout out to.

#headf***ed

 

[Gavin Excell]

So Chris Scott hasnt resigned yet?
Jeezus

 

[Gavin Excell]

Wow that is such a bad move. Going to be a long 4 years...

Quoted for posterity

 

[cynical]

Unless you can reveal exactly which players we missed out on when we selected-
Stanley
Smith
SS
Danger
Tuohy
Dahl
Rohan
who were all established players and able to assist in areas of need, and having knowledge of what we were getting with them, then it is still a worthwhile venture.
The speculative picks we gave up- what are they now doing, and who are they?

you lose value in many ways

you lose the draft pick
you lose the games the player plays (that could be used on developing someone else)
you lose the improved draft position from winning more games
you lose the salary
you also lose a list spot for the length of the contract (most mercenaries need the extra year to justify moving)
you also sometimes lose fringe players who move due to lack of opportunity
you also increase the average age of your list

picking up multiple top ups and not winning a flag is a disaster as far as list building

our list is extremely lopsided 9 topups (didnt include Menegola) still on our list the youngest being Luke Dahlhaus @ 27, only 1 of them had a good final and that was Danger

we keep eroding away the value of our list each year and continue to do so with this ridiculous strategy

 

[catempire]

we keep eroding away the value of our list each year and continue to do so with this ridiculous strategy

At this rate we will erode it away to a Premiership dynasty.

 

[cynical]

At this rate we will erode it away to a Premiership dynasty.

when will you deem it a failure?

 

[catempire]

when will you deem it a failure?

What is “it”?

 

[cynical]

What is “it”?

the list build strategy of bringing in players over 25 years old

 

[Vdubs]

you lose value in many ways

you lose the draft pick
you lose the games the player plays (that could be used on developing someone else)
you lose the improved draft position from winning more games
you lose the salary
you also lose a list spot for the length of the contract (most mercenaries need the extra year to justify moving)
you also sometimes lose fringe players who move due to lack of opportunity
you also increase the average age of your list

picking up multiple top ups and not winning a flag is a disaster as far as list building

our list is extremely lopsided 9 topups (didnt include Menegola) still on our list the youngest being Luke Dahlhaus @ 27, only 1 of them had a good final and that was Danger

we keep eroding away the value of our list each year and continue to do so with this ridiculous strategy

All good points.
The era is nearly at an end, GAJ, Selwood, Hawkins, Taylor will all be gone in a season or 2, if not before. There will be plenty of time in the future to go back to that traditional list building way of doing things, like the Lions seem to be doing, but that is a tough, long process, again with no guarantees of success as defined by most here who equate success with flags, or at worst, GF's. I still think it was rational and worthwhile going for those players we did top up with, as they were all proven needs based players.
I might be stubborn, but I was very happy the years those players were selected, all of them except perhaps Tuohy and Rohan.

 

[catempire]

the list build strategy of bringing in players over 25 years old

You speak of it like it has a start and a beginning. It doesn’t. It’s a spool on a reel. The list changes every year. You get given new players through the draft process. Other players move between clubs. This is ongoing and endless. Unless you diabolically crash and burn, you never say the recent past was a failure because there’s a new chance to improve again.

We are in a stronger list position now than we were 12 months ago, 24 months ago, 36 months ago, etc. In fact, the list is in better shape than it has been since 2011 (when optimism came from Duncan, Menzel, Vardy and Christensen - funny how things change, eh).

The absolute worst that bringing in Smith, Scooter and Henderson did was it stopped us sliding and therefore cost us higher draft picks that would have given us a slightly better chance at drafting better players. Meanwhile we were able to make the top 4 and have a crack. An absolute no brainer of a trade-off.

The future is bright. The path is right.

 

[CarAttack]

You can slice it,
And you can dice it,
But to win 3 of 12 finals ( one of them only because a bloke missed a set shot from 30 dead in front) is a disgrace.
What’s worse is the way we have been gone so early in a lot of them.
Barring a miracle over the next two weeks, it’s time for a change.
To do the same thing over and over and over again and expect a different result is nothing short of insane.
Thanks Scotty, you are a Geelong Premiership coach & that will never be forgotten. But please, every coach has an expiry date at a club and yours has come. Go cats.

 

[Catman]

Scarlo needs to work on his people skills and get experience at another club.

Last thing we need is someone from the boy's club coaching us.

Good point. Enright may be a good coach, but surely some experience elsewhere away from Geelong first would have been beneficial. Mackie immediately shoehorned into a role within. Nothing wrong going elsewhere to broaden your mind before returning.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

The path is bright lol... Certainly didn't feel bright last night... Scott talks in hyperbole and results are clear he has NFI how to fix things

 

[Reppie]

Really wish the thread title was missing the hyphen.

 

[cynical]

You speak of it like it has a start and a beginning. It doesn’t. It’s a spool on a reel. The list changes every year. You get given new players through the draft process. Other players move between clubs. This is ongoing and endless. Unless you diabolically crash and burn, you never say the recent past was a failure because there’s a new chance to improve again.

We are in a stronger list position now than we were 12 months ago, 24 months ago, 36 months ago, etc. In fact, the list is in better shape than it has been since 2011 (when optimism came from Duncan, Menzel, Vardy and Christensen - funny how things change, eh).

The absolute worst that bringing in Smith, Scooter and Henderson did was it stopped us sliding and therefore cost us higher draft picks that would have given us a slightly better chance at drafting better players. Meanwhile we were able to make the top 4 and have a crack. An absolute no brainer of a trade-off.

The future is bright. The path is right.

as usual your Chris Scott speak, not answering the question

how can there not be a beginning and an end?

players age and their abilities decline they dont stay constant

list values are pretty much like bell curves, the top is the list peak when the current cycle is at its strongest

if you keep trying to make the list better forevermore with topups you just end up further and further right on the bell curve as your list gets older and talent profile declines

our only competitive finals series since 2011 was 2013 all the rest have been disasters, when have we had a crack? what finals have you been watching?

if we are getting better (completely wrong) then the next 8 years will be more successful than the current which will not happen

the next 8 years will be much worse

we pretty much need to top up and play a super defensive game style to make finals, once we stray from that we'll be dropping down the ladder

 

[Spazz Cat]

as usual your Chris Scott speak, not answering the question

how can there not be a beginning and an end?

players age and their abilities decline they dont stay constant

list values are pretty much like bell curves, the top is the list peak when the current cycle is at its strongest

if you keep trying to make the list better forevermore with topups you just end up further and further right on the bell curve as your list gets older and talent profile declines

our only competitive finals series since 2011 was 2013 all the rest have been disasters, when have we had a crack? what finals have you been watching?

if we are getting better (completely wrong) then the next 8 years will be more successful than the current which will not happen

the next 8 years will be much worse

we pretty much need to top up and play a super defensive game style to make finals, once we stray from that we'll be dropping down the ladder

Your right, but I think you need to give this a name.
The "Stop Norf going broke system" would be a good one.

 

[catempire]

as usual your Chris Scott speak, not answering the question

how can there not be a beginning and an end?

players age and their abilities decline they dont stay constant

list values are pretty much like bell curves, the top is the list peak when the current cycle is at its strongest

if you keep trying to make the list better forevermore with topups you just end up further and further right on the bell curve as your list gets older and talent profile declines

our only competitive finals series since 2011 was 2013 all the rest have been disasters, when have we had a crack? what finals have you been watching?

if we are getting better (completely wrong) then the next 8 years will be more successful than the current which will not happen

the next 8 years will be much worse

we pretty much need to top up and play a super defensive game style to make finals, once we stray from that we'll be dropping down the ladder

You have zero credibility. You have routinely predicted this year after year and been impressively and uniformly wrong. Your lack of understanding of how a list is built and maintained is core to this.

The best bit is, the longer this has gone on the more stubborn you have become in your view but the more wrong you get because with every draft/trade period that passes the list renews a bit more and your old paradigm view becomes more and more out of date. But I bet you’ll still be saying the same thing when none of the same players are left from when you first started being wrong about it.

 

[Heckler]

Didn't he concoct the use of Blicavs as a third man up at ruck contests? I thought that was a stroke of genius until the killjoys at AFL HQ intervened.

Nope: the 3rd man up was introduced by David Parkin in the 1995 Grand Final
Carlton ruckman Justin Madden blocked Geelong ruckman John Barns at the bounces while a 3rd man contested the ruck unopposed.
This tactic negated The Cats ruck dominance and was the main factor in Carlton's win.
The consequence was the introduction of the 2nd larger centre circle, the centre line to keep ruckmen apart and the no wrestling rule change.

Blicavs revived the 3rd man up for a season...

 

[cynical]

You have zero credibility. You have routinely predicted this year after year and been impressively and uniformly wrong. Your lack of understanding of how a list is built and maintained is core to this.

The best bit is, the longer this has gone on the more stubborn you have become in your view but the more wrong you get because with every draft/trade period that passes the list renews a bit more and your old paradigm view becomes more and more out of date. But I bet you’ll still be saying the same thing when none of the same players are left from when you first started being wrong about it.

since when have I been wrong? and have you got my predictions each year?

how am I more wrong? we have once again been embarrassed in finals

I even predicted the game would be over at half time and we'd lose by 3 goals (and then got banned from the thread for being too negative)

Even copped flack for saying moving Blicavs to the ruck weeks ago was a terrible decision.

I'd be happy to be wrong but unfortunately I'm 100% right about the state of our list.

 

[Reppie]

since when have I been wrong? and have you got my predictions each year?

how am I more wrong? we have once again been embarrassed in finals

I even predicted the game would be over at half time and we'd lose by 3 goals (and then got banned from the thread for being too negative)

Even copped flack for saying moving Blicavs to the ruck weeks ago was a terrible decision.

I'd be happy to be wrong but unfortunately I'm 100% right about the state of our list.

Opinions can't be wrong...It's just an opinion.
And you're welcome to it.