Chris Scott's legacy if he gags in another finals series?
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I believe Brian Cook is on the record saying Geelong cannot afford to bottom out (can anyone confirm this)? In which case, perhaps Scott is achieving his KPIs by taking Geelong to finals every year and any finals wins are a bonus. Many Geelong fans would be very uncomfortable about this, were it true.
An interesting statistic is Geelong's performance in the first week of the finals since 2012: the Cats are 1-7 in Qualifying / Elimination finals. Geelong's terrible week one record goes some way to explaining Geelong's 0-4 record in Preliminary finals, because the Qualifying Final loss has resulted in a tougher Preliminary Final assignment.
An interesting statistic is Geelong's performance in the first week of the finals since 2012: the Cats are 1-7 in Qualifying / Elimination finals. Geelong's terrible week one record goes some way to explaining Geelong's 0-4 record in Preliminary finals, because the Qualifying Final loss has resulted in a tougher Preliminary Final assignment.
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We beat hawthorn (just)
That Isaac Smith kick was a massive 'sliding doors' moment (and I don't mean the purple type)
That goes through and potentially:
- the following week in the semi Geelong smashes the Bulldogs whilst Hawthorn's aging team gets an extra week of rest
- Prelim matches then become: Geelong vs GWS, and Hawthorn vs Sydney
From there it could obviously be anything but two potential cracker GFs
- Hawthorn vs Geelong
- GWS vs Sydney
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As Jose Mourinho would say, tomorrow is squeaky bum time for Geelong.
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Geelong has filled in the gaps quite well. Next year will be harder as some key players get a year older and others need to step up. Sooner or later you have to bottom out as Hawthorn and Norf is quickly discovering. Not sure what the thinking at Norf is but they are setting themselves up for a catastrophic 3-5 years.
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That was Alex Ferguson.
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Then why are the Bombers so bad at both?
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Except that he didn't. They didn't make the grand final the year before, they lost their best player, and we're an aging list. Chris Scott pioneered the strategy of deliberately rotating/resting players each week throughout the season, which was documented by journalists at the time (even questioning the strategy mid season), and it's still used to this day by Geelong and other teams. Here's just one article from 2018 about Richmond following Scott's model...
Tigers strategy? Give it a rest
Richmond find themselves in player-management sweet spot, and can follow the template Geelong pioneered back in 2011 for sustained success.
Geelong 2011 also had a statistically better season than 2007 and 2009. In 2011 they only lost 3 games for the season and had a higher percentage than 07 and 09. Why didn't Thompson achieve that with the same players?
For me personally, 2011 was Geelong's best year of the three GFs, and it was largely thanks to Chris Scott.
He's pretty clearly better strategically than Thompson, and i highly doubt Thompson would have made 9 of the last 10 finals series, to even have a shot at losing. Have you seriously looked at some of the team's Scott had to work with during his time? Especially in the middle years - to finish top 4 with some of those team lineups was impressive.
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Geelong did what they do so well, they completely smothered Collingwood in the first quarter, hit them hard and gave them no chance to breathe. Collingwood did not like the ferocity and folded. Their midfielders were woeful. How valid was the win against W/Coast and were W/Coast just making up the numbers as well?
Moving onto this week and Brisbane. They will be coming up against a much more disciplined and tougher Brisbane. Fagan & Hodge have brought the dirty aspects of Hawthorn's game to the club. They will use all of their bag of tricks to unsettle the Cats throughout the game. If Geelong can maintain the intensity, I think they have what it takes to beat Brisbane, especially if Brisbane come out napping after their week off, which can happen.
Moving onto this week and Brisbane. They will be coming up against a much more disciplined and tougher Brisbane. Fagan & Hodge have brought the dirty aspects of Hawthorn's game to the club. They will use all of their bag of tricks to unsettle the Cats throughout the game. If Geelong can maintain the intensity, I think they have what it takes to beat Brisbane, especially if Brisbane come out napping after their week off, which can happen.
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Alex Ferguson, not Mourinho.
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All BS aside, I've said before Scott is a seriously good coach. To keep up that track record in spite of dilution of talent (GWS/GC), a once in a generation array of talent coming to an end is impressive.Except that he didn't. They didn't make the grand final the year before, they lost their best player, and we're an aging list. Chris Scott pioneered the strategy of deliberately rotating/resting players each week throughout the season, which was documented by journalists at the time (even questioning the strategy mid season), and it's still used to this day by Geelong and other teams. Here's just one article from 2018 about Richmond following Scott's model...
Tigers strategy? Give it a rest
Richmond find themselves in player-management sweet spot, and can follow the template Geelong pioneered back in 2011 for sustained success.www.theage.com.au
Geelong 2011 also had a statistically better season than 2007 and 2009. In 2011 they only lost 3 games for the season and had a higher percentage than 07 and 09. Why didn't Thompson achieve that with the same players?
For me personally, 2011 was Geelong's best year of the three GFs, and it was largely thanks to Chris Scott.
He's pretty clearly better strategically than Thompson, and i highly doubt Thompson would have made 9 of the last 10 finals series, to even have a shot at losing. Have you seriously looked at some of the team's Scott had to work with during his time? Especially in the middle years - to finish top 4 with some of those team lineups was impressive.
Edit: No fans of any club apart from Geelong over the last 15 years or so has been able to start the season genuinely believing (not hoping) they will contend.
Thats what I always argue. Geelong do as well as they do largely because of Chris Scott. The majority of the team is composed of picks deep in the draft, mature age players, and aging stars, with a couple of exceptions. The team is practically unrecognisable from 2011, and yet still continues to make Prelims with very few high draft picks. Geelong lost Kelly last year, lost Selwood and Ablett for large chunks of the year, and still finished top 4. Without the homeground advantage that many claimed was the reasons for Geelongs high finishes in previous seasons.
A couple of years ago, I would have thought Geelong were gone without Selwood, and now I think that is no longer the case. A couple of years before that, I thought we were doomed without Bartel and Enright. The list goes on; Geelong find a way to replace this amazing players seemingly with people out of nowhere.
I don't think, I think he is a good coach.
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He sure is. If he converts a couple of the next 5 seasons into flags he goes down as a great.
(Believe me, this is really painful to write!!
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Guess he is pretty ok
He's had the greatest midfield ever assembled at his disposal since Ablett returned, anything less than a grand final win is a fail on his yearly report card.
Any chance the gag is coming next week 
Can’t knock their finals this year.
Can’t knock their finals this year.
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Yep. Best midfield ever.
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Beat a Collingwood side that had been in quarantine and Brisbane side that wasn't top 4 worthy, possibly not top 8 worthy if they didn't get 16/19 games in QLD.
But they did the job (and probably should have won the QF against Port).
I think people are overrating Richmond next week. Real even money match next week. Too hard to choose.
Geelong have to bring intensity like the first half tonight otherwise Richmond will dictate the game.
This is probably Richmond's toughest GF opponent in the last four years.
But they did the job (and probably should have won the QF against Port).
I think people are overrating Richmond next week. Real even money match next week. Too hard to choose.
Geelong have to bring intensity like the first half tonight otherwise Richmond will dictate the game.
This is probably Richmond's toughest GF opponent in the last four years.
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Nah bullshit, won't have a bar of that narrative.
GFs should be considered 50/50 propositions, and unless you're a GWS 2019 or Port 2007, I won't be throwing shade at a losing side or their coaching setup.
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