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[Gethelred]

Welcome to the Ask an Atheist thread II.

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Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[Vdubs]

You're asking us to believe that events in the Bible such as resurrection, ascension and other miracles are actually true. With no evidence put forward to demonstrate that they are in fact true.

Not asking you to believe it. Doesn’t mean I don’t.

No one has knowledge of 'God', if it exists. 'God is 'unknowable.

MAYBE the case for you.

MAYBE
Effectively proselytizing.

HOW EFFECTIVE?

 

[Total Power]

The OT refernces doesn't make any sense in respect of the question initially asked; and without any exegesis, the response comes across as quite dismissive, contemptuous and clumsy attempts to win debating points in his own mind.

Basically low grade trolling by somebody who doen't appreciate that some of us have tested the claims of many theologies and found them wanting in every case

Completely separate religion and completely separate God. According to Judaism Christianity is ‘idol worshipping’ therefore we as Jews, are not allowed to enter a church.

Every Jew i know says the same thing about Christians, 'It would have been a lot better for us if they weren't so fixated on our texts, trying to figure out a way to make him the Messiah'.

As you can see, in this thread so many Christians quote the OT out of context interpreting it from their narrative.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

A lot of religious communities are very opposed to people “identifying” as something, particularly, but not only, in the realm of gender.

In a practical sense, how is “identifying” any different to “believing”?

Some religious communities lobby strongly and relentlessly for special consideration and exceptions for religious belief.

I personally can’t see any difference. Surely we either allow special political consideration for both identifying and belief, or we don’t allow it for either?

 

[evolved2]

A lot of religious communities are very opposed to people “identifying” as something, particularly, but not only, in the realm of gender.

In a practical sense, how is “identifying” any different to “believing”?

Some religious communities lobby strongly and relentlessly for special consideration and exceptions for religious belief.

I personally can’t see any difference. Surely we either allow special political consideration for both identifying and belief, or we don’t allow it for either?

I'm not the least bit surprised that Trump won again. The left are batshit crazy.

 

[liz]

A lot of religious communities are very opposed to people “identifying” as something, particularly, but not only, in the realm of gender.

In a practical sense, how is “identifying” any different to “believing”?

Some religious communities lobby strongly and relentlessly for special consideration and exceptions for religious belief.

I personally can’t see any difference. Surely we either allow special political consideration for both identifying and belief, or we don’t allow it for either?

The big difference is that one is personal and internal and affects nobody else, while the other shoots its creepers out to choke others.

 

[liz]

I'm not the least bit surprised that Trump won again. The left are batshit crazy.

Who are “the left”? On what basis do you conclude they are “bat shit crazy”?

Given your views on religion, wouldn’t you assess the right to be bat shit crazy?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The big difference is that one is personal and internal and affects nobody else, while the other shoots its creepers out to choke others.

yes. Case in point -

I'm not the least bit surprised that Trump won again. The left are batshit crazy.

 

[evolved2]

Who are “the left”? On what basis do you conclude they are “bat shit crazy”?

Given your views on religion, wouldn’t you assess the right to be bat shit crazy?

My view of the left is based on the SRP.

 

[evolved2]

yes. Case in point -

You showed your true colors during covid. I see you.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You showed your true colors during covid. I see you.

You work for big pharma while cosplaying as a cooker.

We all see you.

Flip, flop.

 

[evolved2]

You work for big pharma while cosplaying as a cooker.

We all see you.

Flip, flop.

Thanks for the flip flops.

I will continue to support choice even if it promotes your stupidity.

 

[Boston tiger]

A lot of religious communities are very opposed to people “identifying” as something, particularly, but not only, in the realm of gender.

In a practical sense, how is “identifying” any different to “believing”?

Some religious communities lobby strongly and relentlessly for special consideration and exceptions for religious belief.

I personally can’t see any difference. Surely we either allow special political consideration for both identifying and belief, or we don’t allow it for either?

Are you looking for a problem that isn’t there ? Doesn’t the government consider both anyway?
Maybe it’s science dragging the chain on this one. Biology classes I imagine would still be using back and white language why neuroscience /psychology would be looking at things a bit differently.

 

[Boston tiger]

Just if readers passing by are a little lost in their situation . This site may help some.

https://outreach.faith/2024/04/as-...e-gender-diversity-as-a-threat-to-our-faith/

 

[Chief]

You showed your true colors during covid. I see you.

You're just driving people into the arms of Big Lockdown! It's your fault!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I'm not the least bit surprised that Trump won again. The left are batshit crazy.

Not really what I’m talking about.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The big difference is that one is personal and internal and affects nobody else, while the other shoots its creepers out to choke others.

That’s the difference in execution but my point is that at base, is there much real difference between identifying and believing? They are both internal.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Are you looking for a problem that isn’t there ? Doesn’t the government consider both anyway?
Maybe it’s science dragging the chain on this one. Biology classes I imagine would still be using back and white language why neuroscience /psychology would be looking at things a bit differently.

I think the problem exists. Religious institutions are still seeking the right to discriminate in their hiring of employees because Belief. Can’t imagine an institution bound by Identity to be allowed to do that.

Not saying one is more important than the other. Just asking if things should be made consistent.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Are you looking for a problem that isn’t there ? Doesn’t the government consider both anyway?
Maybe it’s science dragging the chain on this one. Biology classes I imagine would still be using back and white language why neuroscience /psychology would be looking at things a bit differently.

Academia is furiously debating sex vs gender. This is a thing, and it's definitely about 3 AD.

 

[liz]

That’s the difference in execution but my point is that at base, is there much real difference between identifying and believing? They are both internal.

I think they’re a bit different. Different direction of focus.

Identity is often contextual and variable. It is unfalsifiable (unless someone is deliberately lying about it). It’s a statement of self-perception.

Belief is usually focused on something external and that something may well have an objective truth (whether or not that truth corresponds with the belief). Even if the truth is not knowable, it likely still exists.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Gee, won’t the eschatological hand shandy Christians be gloating after trump’s takeover of the promised land.
Enjoy your rapture vdubs, finally the messiah will return and you get to sit in the arms of Yeshua.
I am the resistance, I’ll see ya in hell, I already know bostontiger is already there, so I’ll be making cocktails in lieu of your arrival.
What shape glass do you prefer?

 

[Rusty Brookes]

Many years ago a Christian "reached out" to me and invited me to a "Healing" service. A number of people went for healing from Migraines. lower back pain etc fronted up. I knew one the people going to be healed; a Primary teacher who was 23 when she suffered significant brain injuries in a car accident who could still remember her previous life

Saddest thing I've ever seen, hoping for a cure

Prayer did bugger all to restore her intelligence, motor skills or remove her from supported accommodation.

Case in point. That being said, I love the kid at 5.20 who doesn't buy into the bs and continues on his merry ways. Way to go mate. The kid before is a bit heartbreaking though - thinking he was "bad" because he autistic. Terrible treatment of a vulnerable child.

 

[western royboy]

 

[Total Power]

I'm not an athiest, I don't give a flying farnackle about what happens to me when I die.

So many people are invested in this, it's not even funny. They are the center of universe and it all revolves around how the creator of the universe with trillions of galaxies and quadrillion solar systems, God loves 'ME'.

But also, A large portion of the religious ones Ive encountered are actually afraid of thinking and taking responsibility -in this life. So they let the religious authorities do it for them. (However not every line, only the ones they approve...like almost every Christian in this thread).

Responsibility for their actions? Free pass cause they ‘accepted jesus in their hearts’ or whatever mumbo jumbo their particular religion says exempts them from responsibility and consequences.

I for one actually feel a lot more comfortable with death now that Im not religious. The idea of eternity has always been like crippling to me because Im so bothered by it. I really like the idea that eventually there will be an end for me, no more worries or concerns or anything. I wont experience at all, and im comforted by that in some ways. It’s definitely still scary a lot of the time. But once it happens I wont even be around to feel fear.

 

[GrayRanga]

So many people are invested in this, it's not even funny. They are the center of universe and it all revolves around how the creator of the universe with trillions of galaxies and quadrillion solar systems, God loves 'ME'.

But also, A large portion of the religious ones Ive encountered are actually afraid of thinking and taking responsibility -in this life. So they let the religious authorities do it for them. (However not every line, only the ones they approve...like almost every Christian in this thread).

Responsibility for their actions? Free pass cause they ‘accepted jesus in their hearts’ or whatever mumbo jumbo their particular religion says exempts them from responsibility and consequences.

I for one actually feel a lot more comfortable with death now that Im not religious. The idea of eternity has always been like crippling to me because Im so bothered by it. I really like the idea that eventually there will be an end for me, no more worries or concerns or anything. I wont experience at all, and im comforted by that in some ways. It’s definitely still scary a lot of the time. But once it happens I wont even be around to feel fear.

For your listening pleasure



Most people know the Blood, Sweat and Tears cover.

Laura Nyro wrote this song when she was 17 and died at the age of 49 of cancer.

GNU Laura Nyro

 

[Festerz]