Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt3 - The Verdict

[Kurve]

Here is
- Claremont Murders - Part One and Part Two
- Media
- The Bunker
- Hey Bret? Stalking Claremont the book.
- Justice Hall's Decision 619 pgs

 

[Kurve]

Once his parents have passed on, he might be more easily persuaded.

It might take some time but hopefully, one of them might try to convince him to cooperate. I'm not sure there's anything can be done now about his minimum parole period but there might be something for him in improving his conditions, moving to a minimum security facility a bit earlier perhaps.

If he'd fessed up straight away, rather than deny everything then tried to game the court by making late admissions to the lesser charges it's possible imo he would have got 20 years on the bottom and died a free man.

 

[BFew]

If he'd fessed up straight away, rather than deny everything then tried to game the court by making late admissions to the lesser charges it's possible imo he would have got 20 years on the bottom and died a free man.

I assume you include fessing up to Sarah's murder too.
3 murders included and only 20 years?
Somehow I don't think so.

 

[Kurve]

I assume you include fessing up to Sarah's murder too.
3 murders included and only 20 years?
Somehow I don't think so.

Yes, shown them where Sarah was. Maybe twenty five on the bottom which is still a life sentence and would have taken him into his seventies before he could apply for parole, which isn't guaranteed anyway.

Catherine Birnie's been eligible for parole for ages and hasn't been successful. The Birnies are confirmed as killing four girls, strongly suspected of more.

 

[BFew]

Catherine Birnie's been eligible for parole for ages and hasn't been successful. The Birnies are confirmed as killing four girls, strongly suspected of more.

IMO, she should never have been eligible for parole, or should have been sentenced for much longer.

 

[Kurve]

IMO, she should never have been eligible for parole, or should have been sentenced for much longer.

That's the way it rolls, there's only been one life term no parole in WA and only recently. I think he'll appeal the sentence because he has nothing to lose.

 

[Kurve]

That's the way it rolls, there's only been one life term no parole in WA and that was only recently. I think he'll appeal the sentence because he has nothing to lose.

There might still be a slim chance that with an appeal, he could consider telling them where Sarah is even if about nobody thinks he will ever do that.

 

[Wombot]

Once his parents have passed on, he might be more easily persuaded.

His brother is still quite young.

 

[fusion]

Interesting that the defence council said his client hadn't committed a crime since 1997, to me that's an admission of guilt.

I'm not a lawyer, but if that statement was made during sentencing it makes sense. Because he's already been found guilty.

I've observed similar statements in other trials I've read about.

 

[BFew]

I'm not a lawyer, but if that statement was made during sentencing it makes sense. Because he's already been found guilty.
I've observed similar statements in other trials I've read about.

An example of one of those similar statements in other trials would be handy.

 

[fusion]

An example of one of those similar statements in other trials would be handy.

I'll wait for someone with better legal knowledge to clarify... im no expert, but not reading too much into BRE lawyer saying no crimes since 1997.

 

[Krusty Crab]

I'm not a lawyer, but if that statement was made during sentencing it makes sense. Because he's already been found guilty.

I've observed similar statements in other trials I've read about.

hes been found guilty of crimes that finished in 1997. as far as the people are concerned he committed crimes up until then. the statement merely says no crimes have been committed since, as he has already been shown that he was guilty. not an admission.

similar to media report calling him the 'alleged' claremont serial killer'. once he was deemed guilty the term alleged no longer needs to be used as he was found to have committed these crimes.

 

[BonzaRam]

I think the defence might have mis-spoke at yesterday's sentencing and accidentally said 1997 instead of 1995.

He has already been convicted of a crime in 1997, the year is correct... assuming there are no other crimes since then that is...

 

[utility]

I'm not a lawyer, but if that statement was made during sentencing it makes sense. Because he's already been found guilty.

I've observed similar statements in other trials I've read about.

It was interesting watching the language of the defense attorney change after a verdict of guilty.

 

[Deva]

Do you have access to what the West Australian live blog had to say about this to compare to the WAtoday when?

Were you in court, or know someone who was, or are you basing your admission of guilt assertion on just the WAtoday live blog below?

In both the West's podcast today, and the Post Newspaper and other media, you'd have thought that if there was any admission of guilt, that one of them would have made a song and dance about it.

Claremont killer sentencing LIVE updates: Bradley Edwards sentenced to minimum 40 years in prison

The sentencing is likely to include the reading of victim impact statements, a summary of Bradley Edwards' life circumstances and - if he has agreed to take part in a psychiatric report ordered by the judge - an explanation for some of his offending.

www.watoday.com.au

'Mr Yovich is now discussing the violent pornography found on Edwards' computers at the time of his arrest, which was ruled inadmissible at trial.
"We submit the pornography evidence is a red herring, it is not evidence that showed the offender was a danger to commit offences of the same type," he said.
"Between 1997 and 2016 he committed no other offences."
Mr Yovich accepted Edwards had not shown any remorse for his crimes, and that there were limited mitigating factors to be considered during his sentencing.'

Interesting that the defence council said his client hadn't committed a crime since 1997, to me that's an admission of guilt.

The defence has to talk like that because he has been found guilty, that all.

 

[sprockets]

It was interesting watching the language of the defense attorney change after a verdict of guilty.

Thanks for that! I watched the whole JA trial and have also watched most of Jim Can't Swim's videos so it should be good watching. There's a bit of hindsight in his videos but they're still interesting.

 

[Rockman928]

Thanks for that! I watched the whole JA trial and have also watched most of Jim Can't Swim's videos so it should be good watching. There's a bit of hindsight in his videos but they're still interesting.

Love the JCS videos. As much as the right decision was made to not release the recording/footage of BRE's interview, it certainly would have been interesting to see an analysis of it.

 

[utility]

Love the JCS videos. As much as the right decision was made to not release the recording/footage of BRE's interview, it certainly would have been interesting to see an analysis of it.

Once any avenues of appeal are exhausted I don't see any reasons why they should be available.

 

[Power Raid]

hes been found guilty of crimes that finished in 1997. as far as the people are concerned he committed crimes up until then. the statement merely says no crimes have been committed since, as he has already been shown that he was guilty. not an admission.

similar to media report calling him the 'alleged' claremont serial killer'. once he was deemed guilty the term alleged no longer needs to be used as he was found to have committed these crimes.

Still alleged serial killer until he’s found guilty of three murders

 

[FeelingThroaty]

Just finished the Enigma of the Dark and i have to be honest , i reluctantly bought it not being a fan of Tim's during the trial pod casts. BUT... i really liked it!! It was very well written and very thorough, he covered a lot of just about everything from the very start of the hearings until the verdict. While a lot of us that have followed this trial closely there was nothing that we haven't heard before but to others it would be very informative. He certainly has a way with words and explained it all very well, highly recommend it.
Looking forward to Bret's book now in January.

I did not buy it. Nothing new for me.

 

[Deva]

For those that haven't watched the sentencing on the Supreme Court web site get in quick, as its being taken down today.

 

[Power Raid]

They should have offered him 30 years if he could take the police to Sarah's remains now. One time offer.

I’m fairly confident the parents would although love to find the body, closure is better achieved through knowing the alleged killer will die in jail

 

[FeelingThroaty]

I’m fairly confident the parents would although love to find the body, closure is better achieved through knowing the alleged killer will die in jail

BRE will use the SS site to get better conditions in jail down the track. The usual he will seek; A self care unit in jail. A PC in order to surf Google Earth Hehe. T bone steaks to carve a bone sharp. After eating the steak that is.. Abseiling lessons at Boya Quarry. A Jet pack gift card on the Swan River for good behaviour...

 

[one eyed spy]

BRE will use the SS site to get better conditions in jail down the track. The usual he will seek; A self care unit in jail. A PC in order to surf Google Earth Hehe. T bone steaks to carve a bone sharp. After eating the steak that is.. Abseiling lessons at Boya Quarry. A Jet pack gift card on the Swan River for good behaviour...

I dont think they'd give him a damn thing in return for revealing SS location aside ensuring he knew he just dashed any hope of ever getting out.
His behaviour will dictate what extras they give him & I think a fairly quick transition into self care with other similarly aging lifers is a given regardless. Saves keeping eyes on him 24/7 if he's kept out of reach of any potentially unpredictable & generally younger fella's in mainstream & it'll likely be exactly the same when he eventually transfers to Acacia where the majority of self-care is long timers doing the bulk of their sentence quietly. Provided he can behave I think they'd all prefer he be housed there without being rewarded in the slightest for admitting a crime he already entered a plea of not guilty to & was acquitted of at trial.

I question if an intention to harm himself is probably the most likely situation in which he may decide to reveal her location as I don't think knowing you have at least 40 plus years to serve with better odds that you'll die before being released is any incentive to stick around that long to do the time? Particularly if his final fk you is to the people who put him there in offering the proof he committed the crime he wasn't & will never be convicted of.

If he has the guts to attempt it and whether he'd be successful is another thing entirely but if he wanted to make one last statement on his way out, I think that'd be the one he'd consider making.

The only other way I think he'd reveal where she was is if he finds religion &/or another prisoner can get through to him that he's been caught, with no one to blame but himself & perhaps convince him her family have suffered enough by his hand which took far too much from them already & he should do the right thing finally and spare them any further anguish in not knowing where she is.
In any case, if he does ever offer a location I only hope they can actually find her as I couldn't bare to imagine any further impact it may have if they couldn't. I'm not sure I'd ever stop looking if I believed I knew where a loved one was left & I couldnt find them & that might be far worse than never knowing at all.

 

[Kurve]

Bret Christian's book out January 20.

 

[SquiffyRae]

In any case, if he does ever offer a location I only hope they can actually find her as I couldn't bare to imagine any further impact it may have if they couldn't. I'm not sure I'd ever stop looking if I believed I knew where a loved one was left & I couldnt find them & that might be far worse than never knowing at all.

My biggest fear would be, given it's been so long, that he could decide to do the right thing and reveal the location but due to the passage of time and the action of nature, we don't find anything. Then we'd be forever wondering if he told the truth and we were just too late or if he was lying