Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt3 - The Verdict

[Kurve]

Here is
- Claremont Murders - Part One and Part Two
- Media
- The Bunker
- Hey Bret? Stalking Claremont the book.
- Justice Hall's Decision 619 pgs

 

[Kurve]

Yes it has been reported that the Police know who's kimono it was. But for many years we have been led to believe they did not know who it belonged to. So has the owner only come forward since his arrest ??
Also, several people (on here) have pointed out it was a large size. Had he grown into a sizable man by the time he was terrorizing Huntingdale? as it has been suggested he was quite small at school. If he was large by this time, how lucky was he to find a large kimono! Made me think for a moment it may have been his kimono, as it appeared no one had come forward to claim ownership, but of course we now know the owner has come forward.

There was more than one kimono as well. Exactly how many, not sure.

 

[BFew]

I also suspect a select few of her friends knew far more about whatever the ex knew than any of the others did.

And possibly any professionals trained in human behavior, or counselling, that she had confided in about BRE's behavior, including any that were also her family members.

 

[Kurve]

In listening this morning to the abridged 'Cuckoo' by Andrew Rule on pod and he mentions that Raymond Edmunds aka Mr Stinky, serial rapist double murderer and suspected serial killer, was a bad wetter as a child and goes on to say that one of his doctors gave him a drug which was supposed to help with that but what it also did, was accelerated his puberty.

With Peter Dupas, another serial killer we were told about issues he had and what the first signs of a serious disturbance were. First offence was in his teens.

I can't even remember one high profile case where we didn't get the history of the convicted. Why are they hiding Edwards?

 

[zedx]

In listening this morning to the abridged 'Cuckoo' by Andrew Rule on pod and he mentions that Raymond Edmunds aka Mr Stinky, serial rapist double murderer and suspected serial killer, was a bad wetter as a child and goes on to say that one of his doctors gave him a drug which was supposed to help with that but what it also did, was accelerated his puberty.

With Peter Dupas, another serial killer we were told about issues he had and what the first signs of a serious disturbance were. First offence was in his teens.

I can't even remember one high profile case where we didn't get the history of the convicted. Why are they hiding Edwards?

The fact that we still know very little about BRE's personal life is very strange, I can't understand why this is so. It make his trial feel very 'unfinished' !!

 

[BFew]

I can't even remember one high profile case where we didn't get the history of the convicted. Why are they hiding Edwards?

Possibly to use it as a bargaining chip for any confessions to other crimes, they are seeking or fishing for?

 

[one eyed spy]

I can't even remember one high profile case where we didn't get the history of the convicted. Why are they hiding Edwards?

That's WA cops for you. They exist under a veil of such immense secrecy & the reporters here are so shit scared of not getting "the call" from them to alert them on the cases they can report, exactly when they want them to report it, they toe the line completely & appear to have forgotten what it means to be an actual journalist & uncover details not yet known. Its infuriating. They truely believe we have no right to know anything they don't already know & if it means that takes forever and were told nothing in between, well, it sucks to be us. Bret Christian is our only source of true independent journalism & until someone else has the guts to defy them and uncover some dirt, we wont know anything. For some bizarre reason it seems to be accepted in the West that its just the way it is. Its always been a police state controlled by creating fear amongst its people. The less we know the easier that is to perpetuate.

 

[Wombot]

In listening this morning to the abridged 'Cuckoo' by Andrew Rule on pod and he mentions that Raymond Edmunds aka Mr Stinky, serial rapist double murderer and suspected serial killer, was a bad wetter as a child and goes on to say that one of his doctors gave him a drug which was supposed to help with that but what it also did, was accelerated his puberty.

With Peter Dupas, another serial killer we were told about issues he had and what the first signs of a serious disturbance were. First offence was in his teens.

I can't even remember one high profile case where we didn't get the history of the convicted. Why are they hiding Edwards?

He was convicted a couple of months ago, so I guess that many couldn’t speak about him prior to that. I think in time with the knowledge that he’s guilty and also locked away for forty years will we hear accounts from his colleagues ect.

 

[FeelingThroaty]

I would be inclined to say she did not notice anything because she stayed on living with him after her Mother had left. So far every one who has come forward saying they knew him have been shocked to find out he was the CSK, the had no inkling !!

If the Stepdaughter stayed with him I'd say he wouldn't be as strict as the Mother. She could probably do as she wished. Within reason.

 

[Two Planks]

Very surprised that the arresting officers from the Hospital attack wouldn't have put his name forward as a possible suspect earlier on. Even the victim surely would have thought it at some point that this guy may have re offended.

And when the Telstra link was investigated, surely then his name would have been front and centre. How many Telstra employees have been arrested for attacking women while on duty.

Shocked it took so long.

 

[BFew]

Very surprised that the arresting officers from the Hospital attack wouldn't have put his name forward as a possible suspect earlier on. Even the victim surely would have though it at some point that this guy may have re offended.

And when the Telstra link was investigated, surely then his name would have been front and centre. How many Telstra employees have been arrested for attacking women while on duty.

Maybe the Hollywood Hospital arresting officer verbally put BRE's name forward to his boss as worth taking another look at, and for some reason nothing ever came of this.

 

[Power Raid]

Maybe the Hollywood Hospital arresting officer verbally put BRE's name forward to his boss as worth taking another look at, and for some reason nothing ever came of this.

according to a lawyer involved in the case (as a close friend of one of the families), explained it was a catagorisation issue.

HH was recorded as an assault rather than a sexual assault. Thus not included in the past incidents to be reviewed.

If this was included, he would have been caught in the 90s........perhaps after the KK rape, thus preventing the murders.

 

[Kurve]

according to a lawyer involved in the case (as a close friend of one of the families), explained it was a catagorisation issue.

HH was recorded as an assault rather than a sexual assault. Thus not included in the past incidents to be reviewed.

If this was included, he would have been caught in the 90s........perhaps after the KK rape, thus preventing the murders.

One would think, through the drive and focus that was put on sex offenders and the need for a register after Dante Arthurs murdered 8yo Sofia Shu in 2006, it might have prompted investigators to take a harder look and perhaps request a list of who had to attend a sex offenders course.

Arthurs had been investigated and arrested three years earlier over a sexual assault on another 8 year old girl.

 

[Power Raid]

One would think, through the drive and focus that was put on sex offenders and the need for a register after Dante Arthurs murdered 8yo Sofia Shu in 2006, it might have prompted investigators to take a harder look and perhaps request a list of who had to attend a sex offenders course.

Arthurs had been investigated and arrested three years earlier over a sexual assault on another 8 year old girl.

the cops over here were corrupt and unprofessional back then

they are just lazy and unprofessional these days

 

[BFew]

One would think, through the drive and focus that was put on sex offenders and the need for a register after Dante Arthurs murdered 8yo Sofia Shu in 2006, it might have prompted investigators to take a harder look and perhaps request a list of who had to attend a sex offenders course.

I wonder if the arresting officer(s), or anyone at WAPOL, were aware of in any way that BRE was put on a sex offenders course in 1990/91, as a result of his 1990 Hollywood Hospital Assault. (Aware of at any time between 1990 until BRE was first on the radar of WAPOL).

Who else apart from the magistrate, court staff, and those involved in running the 1990/91 Sex Offenders course BRE was ordered to go on, would have been made aware as a matter of protocols, that BRE was ordered to go on it, or had gone on it?

As part of the order to go on the 1990/91 Sex Offenders course, was BRE possibly required to get another psych assessment upon completion of the course?

 

[zedx]

I wonder if the arresting officer(s), or anyone at WAPOL, were aware of in any way that BRE was put on a sex offenders course in 1990/91, as a result of his 1990 Hollywood Hospital Assault. (Aware of at any time between 1990 until BRE was first on the radar of WAPOL).

Who else apart from the magistrate, court staff, and those involved in running the 1990/91 Sex Offenders course BRE was ordered to go on, would have been made aware as a matter of protocols, that BRE was ordered to go on it, or had gone on it?

As part of the order to go on the 1990/91 Sex Offenders course, was BRE possibly required to get another psych assessment upon completion of the course?

Good questions. Surely it would at least have been noted on his court records, maybe though not necessarily on his 'rap' sheet. I would imagine the courts/police policies and procedures in 1990 would not be any where near what they are today, so quite likely no one else knew. And as he was only charged with assault?? not sexual assault he would not have been put on any offenders list.

 

[BonzaRam]

The kimono came from a persons house in Huntingdale, which wasn't BREs family. Back in 1988 the kimono was in the newspaper, a police officer holding it. At the time, they thought it had something to do with the Victoria Clarke murder in Victoria Park.

The kimono was located in police storage in 2013 but BRE wasn't arrested until 2016. I wonder if something happened in late November 2016 or early Dec 2016. Thinking one of BREs family might have had a reason to have their DNA tested.

In 2013 the Cold Case Crew put the kimono in for retesting with the new technology that came available. The DNA found on the kimono matched the DNA found under CG's fingernails. From there they went back over the Huntingdale case where kimono came from and doing that gave them a fingerprint from Hungtingdale that matched prints from the HH attack that he pled guilty too. That is what led them to BRE, they then zoned in on him. The sprite bottle they got gave them conclusive proof it was his DNA in all 3 cases (the 3rd being Karrakatta).

And that is how they caught him. No reason to believe any other family member was involved before he was arrested.

 

[zedx]

In 2013 the Cold Case Crew put the kimono in for retesting with the new technology that came available. The DNA found on the kimono matched the DNA found under CG's fingernails. From there they went back over the Huntingdale case where kimono came from and doing that gave them a fingerprint from Hungtingdale that matched prints from the HH attack that he pled guilty too. That is what led them to BRE, they then zoned in on him. The sprite bottle they got gave them conclusive proof it was his DNA in all 3 cases (the 3rd being Karrakatta).

And that is how they caught him. No reason to believe any other family member was involved before he was arrested.

That is a very straight forward, uncomplicated explanation. Thank you!
I wonder why then it was initially reported in the media that his arrest was due to 'familiar DNA' results? To throw every one off the track? But then why?

 

[BonzaRam]

That is a very straight forward, uncomplicated explanation. Thank you!
I wonder why then it was initially reported in the media that his arrest was due to 'familiar DNA' results? To throw every one off the track? But then why?

I think you answered your own question there mate.... it was reported in the media.
The media is only good for getting a topic to research elsewhere, lest you want to spend days upon days deciphering their guesses and storytelling.

But then why? To sell newspapers and subscriptions.... and stories. That is the business they are in.

 

[BonzaRam]

Except possibly Wife2 who was 'in fear of her life' and was copying all his atm transactions as far back to the time of the murders. She may have rung the police which tipped them into opening the Huntingdale file?

Her fear was real. Not long after the arrest I found a facebook post she'd made that had a religious slant, she'd been quietly slipping protection cards into womens hands . It was a card that was for protection against the devil/evil, they were a 'green' something ... a reference to one of the lesser known saints. It wasn't anything I'd ever heard of before but her post reeked of desperation. Anybody without knowing who she was and her circumstances might have read it and thought she was a bit paranoid or even unstable.

I saved it but with a lot of other stuff, lost it. Could never find it again.

Many abused live in fear of their lives but never attempt to contact police, or leave, because that fear is so strong. The fact that she left without her daughter is a tad confusing and kind of contradicts an extreme fear.
Some people also live of fear something that doesn't exist.
Copying down financial transactions is not a sign of fear, but rather, a sign of distrust.
Sure in hindsight one might wonder just how much danger they were really in which could influence a later testimony.
I also question why both the prosecution and the defense stopped her from elaborating further. Did they both know something about her we don't?

 

[Likeamystery]

In 2013 the Cold Case Crew put the kimono in for retesting with the new technology that came available. The DNA found on the kimono matched the DNA found under CG's fingernails. From there they went back over the Huntingdale case where kimono came from and doing that gave them a fingerprint from Hungtingdale that matched prints from the HH attack that he pled guilty too. That is what led them to BRE, they then zoned in on him. The sprite bottle they got gave them conclusive proof it was his DNA in all 3 cases (the 3rd being Karrakatta).

And that is how they caught him. No reason to believe any other family member was involved before he was arrested.

Thanks Bonza,

Still, three years is a long time, for them to piece that together.

 

[Kurve]

I think your refering to a 'Green Scapular'
' The Green Scapular is frequently given out at hospitals in the hope of obtaining physical healings. The Scapular may also be worn about the neck, placed under the pillow, kept in a wallet, or placed in one's clothing.'
It is also for all types protection etc.

Ohhh thank you, I knew it was a Green something or other. Her post wasn't to do with physical healing, it was protection against a danger. Very, very early days it was that I found it. Then like most stuff, it vanished.

 

[sprockets]

In 2013 the Cold Case Crew put the kimono in for retesting with the new technology that came available. The DNA found on the kimono matched the DNA found under CG's fingernails. From there they went back over the Huntingdale case where kimono came from and doing that gave them a fingerprint from Hungtingdale that matched prints from the HH attack that he pled guilty too. That is what led them to BRE, they then zoned in on him. The sprite bottle they got gave them conclusive proof it was his DNA in all 3 cases (the 3rd being Karrakatta).

And that is how they caught him. No reason to believe any other family member was involved before he was arrested.

Did they get prints from the Huntingdale (kimono) attack though? And they still had prints on file from the HH attack, which was a 'simple' assault? It's not beyond belief that a family member or the ex helped police close in.

It could be that they wanted the ex to shush because she might have mentioned how she helped them get him, so they stopped her for her own good.

 

[Perth gal]

Many abused live in fear of their lives but never attempt to contact police, or leave, because that fear is so strong. The fact that she left without her daughter is a tad confusing and kind of contradicts an extreme fear.
Some people also live of fear something that doesn't exist.
Copying down financial transactions is not a sign of fear, but rather, a sign of distrust.
Sure in hindsight one might wonder just how much danger they were really in which could influence a later testimony.
I also question why both the prosecution and the defense stopped her from elaborating further. Did they both know something about her we don't?

Maybe the daughter refused to leave.

 

[Likeamystery]

Maybe the daughter refused to leave.

Wife No. 2 might have wanted to leave the relationship, without making a fuss. I think the daughter probably stayed because BRE was easier to get along with. As far as I'm aware Wife no 2 is quite religious. It's crossed my mind, that when wife no. 2 left she may not have been in a good place mentally. Perhaps she was struggling with mental health and needed to stay somewhere for a while.

 

[Krusty Crab]

That is a very straight forward, uncomplicated explanation. Thank you!
I wonder why then it was initially reported in the media that his arrest was due to 'familiar DNA' results? To throw every one off the track? But then why?

i dont think the media reported he was found via familial DNA testing. i believe that term came about from the DNA expert in the UK we sent the samples to for testing, apparently that particular scientist is an expert in the familial DNA field. happy to be corrected if im wrong, but thats how i remember it coming up.