Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt3 - The Verdict

[Kurve]

Here is
- Claremont Murders - Part One and Part Two
- Media
- The Bunker
- Hey Bret? Stalking Claremont the book.
- Justice Hall's Decision 619 pgs

 

[FeelingThroaty]

I dont think they'd give him a damn thing in return for revealing SS location aside ensuring he knew he just dashed any hope of ever getting out.
His behaviour will dictate what extras they give him & I think a fairly quick transition into self care with other similarly aging lifers is a given regardless. Saves keeping eyes on him 24/7 if he's kept out of reach of any potentially unpredictable & generally younger fella's in mainstream & it'll likely be exactly the same when he eventually transfers to Acacia where the majority of self-care is long timers doing the bulk of their sentence quietly. Provided he can behave I think they'd all prefer he be housed there without being rewarded in the slightest for admitting a crime he already entered a plea of not guilty to & was acquitted of at trial.

If you re read what I said you'd see I was being funny. Abseiling ( to escape later on) Jet pack ( to escape again) You might want to lighten up. Save yourself from typing so much, lol.

 

[the dark knight]

Bret Christian's book out January 20.

Should be a good read, Anyone else buying it? I think Sky News has a doco next month if I remember correctly. I’ll be watching that.

 

[SquiffyRae]

Should be a good read, Anyone else buying it? I think Sky News has a doco next month if I remember correctly. I’ll be watching that.

I might hold off and see what other people say. If it's got more details than we already know then I'll get it. I'm still waiting on getting the new book on The Family from a friend so I'll be reading that one first

 

[BFew]

Bret Christian's book out January 20.

The Amazon Kindle electronic edition is currently the least expensive and probably the quickest way to get it, if it gets delivered at midnight on the 20th.

I just pre-ordered the Amazon Kindle edition for AUD $16.99 (It says it will be automatically electronically delivered to my desktop computer, tablet & iPhone devices on the 20th).

Stalking Claremont: Inside the hunt for... by Christian, Bret

Stalking Claremont: Inside the hunt for... by Christian, Bret

www.amazon.com.au

 

[Perth gal]

I got Enigma in the dark. Was well written but didn’t have much info that I didn’t already know. A bit disappointed .

 

[Likeamystery]

The Amazon Kindle electronic edition is currently the least expensive and probably the quickest way to get it, if it gets delivered at midnight on the 20th.

I just pre-ordered the Amazon Kindle edition for AUD $16.99 (It says it will be automatically electronically delivered to my desktop computer, tablet & iPhone devices on the 20th).

Stalking Claremont: Inside the hunt for... by Christian, Bret

Stalking Claremont: Inside the hunt for... by Christian, Bret

www.amazon.com.au

I'm definitely going to read it. We know most of what's happened. Perhaps we might learn why the Edwards family were left off Telstra's driver's list. Also, there's the three year gap of finding the kimono and the arrest. Whose DNA was it that linked him. It would seem, late in 2016, someone in BREs family, for some reason had their DNA uploaded into WAPOLs database. Thinking a family member who'd been arrested for something completely different. Alternatively, could it be possible, that a family member's DNA was obtained purely for elimination purposes, like a police officer who was a family member. If BRE had a relative who was a police officer, their DNA may have been required to exclude him/her from evidence they'd submitted. There's also another scenario, I wonder if one of BREs family, a female, may have gone to the police with intentions of reporting something he'd, done to her, beforehand. Wanted to report something. Were the detectives who worked on the Macro team ever required to have their DNA submitted. Whatever happened, it happened in early Dec 2016.

 

[Likeamystery]

I got Enigma in the dark. Was well written but didn’t have much info that I didn’t already know. A bit disappointed .

The author's of the books probably got their information from the CSKs Bigfooty forums. LOL

 

[SquiffyRae]

I got Enigma in the dark. Was well written but didn’t have much info that I didn’t already know. A bit disappointed .

That's part of the reason why I'm holding off to hear what other people think of Bret's book. I don't see much point in paying someone for the privilege of reading a few hundred pages of information I already know.

Bret's always been good for finding things that weren't reported elsewhere so hopefully his book tells us a bit more

 

[FeelingThroaty]

I got Enigma in the dark. Was well written but didn’t have much info that I didn’t already know. A bit disappointed .

I agree with you being nothing new. I sped read through the book in no time.

 

[Kurve]

I agree with you being nothing new. I sped read through the book in no time.

Overall, I think we all did a fabulous job on here of ferretting out and exploring just about everything there was. Bret's book will be real interesting though imo, he might have got a bit more of what went on behind the scenes and will go into examining the investigation.

Then there's Debi Marshall's extra information she's adding to her book, The Devil's Garden. I hope that's available for free and we don't have to buy the whole thing again.

 

[Wombot]

Overall, I think we all did a fabulous job on here of ferretting out and exploring just about everything there was. Bret's book will be real interesting though imo, he might have got a bit more of what went on behind the scenes and will go into examining the investigation.

Then there's Debi Marshall's extra information she's adding to her book, The Devil's Garden. I hope that's available for free and we don't have to buy the whole thing again.

I’ve said it before but I want to know more about BRE. I will read Bret Christian’s book but I wonder how thoroughly that will be covered. Surely many from BRE’s past who we haven’t heard from yet are willing to talk.

 

[Kurve]

I’ve said it before but I want to know more about BRE. I will read Bret Christian’s book but I wonder how thoroughly that will be covered. Surely many from BRE’s past who we haven’t heard from yet are willing to talk.

There's been quite a bit in his history hidden imo. Whether it has anything to do with court cases perhaps against Telstra or another party, I don't know.

Justice Hall didn't mention the sex offenders course he had to do or why he was ordered onto it and he wasn't given the relevant psychiatric reports, nor any medical history. BRE refused a pre-sentencing psychiatric assessment but the earlier one done in relation to the HH charges was available and would have had more of his history in there.

 

[Kurve]

There's been quite a bit in his history hidden imo

To go on a bit from there, I'm wondering if the prosecution not tendering his psychiatric/medical reports might have been part of the deal in getting him to plead guilty to the lesser charges?

 

[Krusty Crab]

There's been quite a bit in his history hidden imo. Whether it has anything to do with court cases perhaps against Telstra or another party, I don't know.

Justice Hall didn't mention the sex offenders course he had to do or why he was ordered onto it and he wasn't given the relevant psychiatric reports, nor any medical history. BRE refused a pre-sentencing psychiatric assessment but the earlier one done in relation to the HH charges was available and would have had more of his history in there.

im guessing the judge, prosecution, and defence team may have had to limit what they said or had access to, lest they divulge a sealed juvenile record.

 

[Perth gal]

I would absolutely love an interview with his first and second wives. Be fascinating I reckon.

 

[Deva]

I would absolutely love an interview with his first and second wives. Be fascinating I reckon.

I wonder also about the Step Daughter and if she saw any clues to his behaviour at times. She is pretty prolific in the music scene here in Perth with her singing and song writing so i think she has moved on remarkably well with what must have been a terrible shock to her.

 

[Mudman85]

I'm definitely going to read it. We know most of what's happened. Perhaps we might learn why the Edwards family were left off Telstra's driver's list. Also, there's the three year gap of finding the kimono and the arrest. Whose DNA was it that linked him. It would seem, late in 2016, someone in BREs family, for some reason had their DNA uploaded into WAPOLs database. Thinking a family member who'd been arrested for something completely different. Alternatively, could it be possible, that a family member's DNA was obtained purely for elimination purposes, like a police officer who was a family member. If BRE had a relative who was a police officer, their DNA may have been required to exclude him/her from evidence they'd submitted. There's also another scenario, I wonder if one of BREs family, a female, may have gone to the police with intentions of reporting something he'd, done to her, beforehand. Wanted to report something. Were the detectives who worked on the Macro team ever required to have their DNA submitted. Whatever happened, it happened in early Dec 2016.

I have wondered for a while whether the Kimono was really stolen off a clothes line. Is it not possible it belonged to Edwards Mum or Sister and he grabbed it off his own clothesline or from the house. Perhaps they reported it stolen and then all these years later they obtained a DNA sample from a member of his family to exclude them.

 

[Deva]

I have wondered for a while whether the Kimono was really stolen off a clothes line. Is it not possible it belonged to Edwards Mum or Sister and he grabbed it off his own clothesline or from the house. Perhaps they reported it stolen and then all these years later they obtained a DNA sample from a member of his family to exclude them.

They found the people who belonged to the Kimono, it wasn't his.

 

[Wombot]

I would absolutely love an interview with his first and second wives. Be fascinating I reckon.

It would be. I’m also interested in his friends, schoolmates and work colleagues. I’m sure they could also share insights.

 

[Likeamystery]

I have wondered for a while whether the Kimono was really stolen off a clothes line. Is it not possible it belonged to Edwards Mum or Sister and he grabbed it off his own clothesline or from the house. Perhaps they reported it stolen and then all these years later they obtained a DNA sample from a member of his family to exclude them.

The kimono came from a persons house in Huntingdale, which wasn't BREs family. Back in 1988 the kimono was in the newspaper, a police officer holding it. At the time, they thought it had something to do with the Victoria Clarke murder in Victoria Park.

The kimono was located in police storage in 2013 but BRE wasn't arrested until 2016. I wonder if something happened in late November 2016 or early Dec 2016. Thinking one of BREs family might have had a reason to have their DNA tested.

 

[Likeamystery]

It would be. I’m also interested in his friends, schoolmates and work colleagues. I’m sure they could also share insights.

I'm sure we will find the local Huntingdale and Gosnells women will come forward. I'm expecting an overwhelming response.

It's been put across that BRE is one hell of a smart cookie who's highly intelligent and managed to outsmart the WA police. He probably is intelligent, but people should be asking why wasn't he arrested in 1988, because he'd broken into one of the houses four times or gone back to it four times. Why were the Edwards family left off the Telstra Vehicles list. Why was initial evidence lost. Why wasn't the MM footage released beforehand. Why was the Hollywood Hospital assault overlooked. Why did it take another three years before BRE was arrested (kimono located in 2013 / arrest in 2016).

I suppose if enough women come forward that might prompt some type of judicial inquiry.

Did BRE have a relative in the police force?

Addition: because he'd broken into one of the houses four times or gone back to it four times.

 

[zedx]

They found the people who belonged to the Kimono, it wasn't his.

Yes it has been reported that the Police know who's kimono it was. But for many years we have been led to believe they did not know who it belonged to. So has the owner only come forward since his arrest ??
Also, several people (on here) have pointed out it was a large size. Had he grown into a sizable man by the time he was terrorizing Huntingdale? as it has been suggested he was quite small at school. If he was large by this time, how lucky was he to find a large kimono! Made me think for a moment it may have been his kimono, as it appeared no one had come forward to claim ownership, but of course we now know the owner has come forward.

 

[zedx]

I wonder also about the Step Daughter and if she saw any clues to his behaviour at times. She is pretty prolific in the music scene here in Perth with her singing and song writing so i think she has moved on remarkably well with what must have been a terrible shock to her.

I would be inclined to say she did not notice anything because she stayed on living with him after her Mother had left. So far every one who has come forward saying they knew him have been shocked to find out he was the CSK, the had no inkling !!

 

[one eyed spy]

Yes it has been reported that the Police know who's kimono it was. But for many years we have been led to believe they did not know who it belonged to. So has the owner only come forward since his arrest ??
Also, several people (on here) have pointed out it was a large size. Had he grown into a sizable man by the time he was terrorizing Huntingdale? as it has been suggested he was quite small at school. If he was large by this time, how lucky was he to find a large kimono! Made me think for a moment it may have been his kimono, as it appeared no one had come forward to claim ownership, but of course we now know the owner has come forward.

The husband of the apparent owner of one Kimono came forward elsewhere on a CSK forum since arrest, (cant recall if he was a member here too atm) & confirmed they had gym clothing stolen off their clothesline when they lived in Huntingdale & despite he didn't recall it specifically, said his wife claimed she had a kimono stolen too. He said the cops had been in contact with them to go over the details of the theft again a couple of weeks before BREs arrest.

IIRC, there was more than one kimono reported stolen overall though so not sure which one was his wife's. Think Brett did an article on this too, lived in Floreat now?

 

[one eyed spy]

I would be inclined to say she did not notice anything because she stayed on living with him after her Mother had left. So far every one who has come forward saying they knew him have been shocked to find out he was the CSK, the had no inkling !!

I think the fact wife No. 2 left her daughter there without raising any alarm bells to her may have been part of the reason she said she was "scared stiffless".
I believe she had some hand in his arrest, even if it was just her suspicions about something that provided a new name that alluded them to date & the cops did the rest to put two & two together, but I also suspect a select few of her friends knew far more about whatever the ex knew than any of the others did.