Clarkson vs Sydney

[The Gong]

He does have a point.

We transgress as much as anyone, but it's a blight on the game.

Then talk about the game more broadly. He's framing it like Grundy and Rampe are somehow a special case.

 

[Bardo State]

The article is very disingenuous. They make it appear like the quotes they give from Clarkson are from the meeting with McLaughlin when they were actually comments made in the press conference immediately after the game with emotions still running high.

There is no evidence that Clarkson talked to McLaughlin specifically about how Hawthorn were being treated as opposed to competition wide interpretations, which was likely the case.

Gotta get angry at somethin' tho, I suppose.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

He does have a point.

We transgress as much as anyone, but it's a blight on the game.

That is true.
But Clarko is not publicly talking about all clubs. He is not talking about the overall adjudication of the game. If he was there are already appropriate avenues for that.

He is having a loud whinge because his team lost - something he does frequently without getting called out, and having a private meeting with the CEO of the game in unusual circumstances, adds to the concern that, because of his standing in the game, he gets treated differently to others.

Other clubs have had please explains and fines for coaching making similar complaints. I doubt other coaches would have the privilege of having a previously unplanned breakfast meeting, first thing on a monday morning, with the boss of the game. This stinks of Clarko being treated like a special case.

 

[Bardo State]

Then talk about the game more broadly. He's framing it like Grundy and Rampe are somehow a special case.

He has been

"That's why young kids like (Paddy) McCartin and (Josh) Schache and (Tom) Boyd and (Eric) Hipwood, they wonder why they play such great footy at under-18 level and then can't get a kick at senior level. Well, in under-18 level, they don't defend the body, they defend the ball.

"If we got back to actually defending the ball in a manner that it should be, then we'd get back to getting some contested marks."

He pointed to spring-heeled Adelaide forward Mitch McGovern's high-flying mark in round seven that stood out because of its rarity, rather than its brilliance.

"Mitch McGovern took a mark at the top of the goalsqure in the Carlton game last week … and it was just like 'Oh wow'. It wasn't actually that spectacular a mark, but we see it so infrequently now because teams are just so adept at being able to defend the body in any ball that goes into the pointy end of the ground," Clarkson said.

"So what are teams doing? What's the point of having a key forward anymore? Let's just play little fellas down there. Let's compete, try to bring it to ground. There's more marks taken by the defenders at one end of the ground.

"It used to be that you spoilt down the back end and you marked it in the front end. Now you mark it in the back end and you spoil in the front end.

"It just means there's a charter of the game that we're talking about, in terms of high marking, lots of goalscoring. You get a game like the Kangaroos and Sydney last week, pretty good conditions, 23 degrees in Sydney that day and it's nine goals each. For mine, that's not AFL footy."

Clarkson pointed to Melbourne forward Jesse Hogan as an example of a young key forward who is using his aerobic running to burn backmen instead of focusing on patrolling the area inside-50.

"When players are just, in a very, very sophisticated manner, just taking out the body, then we miss out on the high marking, we miss out on the full-forwards," Clarkson said.

"You get guys like Jesse Hogan, who is a terrific forward, but he has to go up to the wing now and hope that he can just outrun his player back to the goalsquare, because that is his most significant advantage he's got over his opponent, when really, it should be that his great advantage is what he was drafted for, and that's to be a star key forward of our game."

 

[The Gong]

He has been

All reasonable but he's also targeted two players from a single club as part of his commentary.

 

[BloodySwan]

He does have a point.

We transgress as much as anyone, but it's a blight on the game.

It's not a blight on the game, it is the game. What's wrong with a player putting themselves in-between the ball and the opposition? Nothing wrong with what wasn't called on the weekend

 

[Bardo State]

All reasonable but he's also targeted two players from a single club as part of his commentary.

In a press conference after playing against Sydney. Would have been weird for him to all of a sudden start talking about Jeremy Howe and Lynden Dunn.

 

[ashep]

Longmire sooking about a coach sooking about umpiring..... hilarious.

One guy answered a direct question at a press conference and moved on. The other arranged brekkie for 2 with the CEO and brought along a personalised slide show after whinging for 3 days straight.

 

[Hawk Dork]

If we want an open, free flowing, high scoring, skilled game to watch.
Stopping the deliberate blocking and paying frees for incorrect disposal and rewarding the tackler, is a good place to start.

If we want to watch a rolling rugby scrum then continue as is

 

[BobHawk]

Clarko is more likely than any coach to fill a high position in the AFL over the next few years. He is very passionate about the game and is the most innovative coach and thinker since Ron Barrassi. People can ride their parochial horses and carry on all they like but the fact is that the game is being ruined by players constantly ducking and the holding and blocking in the back end. All teams do it but some have turned it into an art form beyond general play. Like ducking it is not in the spirit of the game and it certainly doesn't add to what the public want to watch as a spectacle. These are the things that infuriates fans as we all know. It needs to be fixed and good on him for taking it to the AFL CEO. Let's see if McLachlan has the foresight and nads to fix it.

 

[The Gong]

In a press conference after playing against Sydney. Would have been weird for him to all of a sudden start talking about Jeremy Howe and Lynden Dunn.

Funny.

Don't mention them at all. If you have an issue interpretation go through the right channels. He's only hurt himself here.

 

[BloodySwan]

If we want an open, free flowing, high scoring, skilled game to watch.
Stopping the deliberate blocking and paying frees for incorrect disposal and rewarding the tackler, is a good place to start.

If we want to watch a rolling rugby scrum then continue as is

We should get rid of tackling instead. None of this rugby crap. No marking contests & no tackling to ensure we have a high scoring free flowing game

 

[Le Grille]

Clarko is more likely than any coach to fill a high position in the AFL over the next few years. He is very passionate about the game and is the most innovative coach and thinker since Ron Barrassi. People can ride their parochial horses and carry on all they like but the fact is that the game is being ruined by players constantly ducking and the holding and blocking in the back end. All teams do it but some have turned it into an art form beyond general play. Like ducking it is not in the spirit of the game and it certainly doesn't add to what the public want to watch as a spectacle. These are the things that infuriates fans as we all know. It needs to be fixed and good on him for taking it to the AFL CEO. Let's see if McLachlan has the foresight and nads to fix it.

That may be true but didn't the afl appoint a committee to discuss matters relating to the game already, why should he petition Gill personally. Just seems odd

 

[The Gong]

Clarko is more likely than any coach to fill a high position in the AFL over the next few years. He is very passionate about the game and is the most innovative coach and thinker since Ron Barrassi. People can ride their parochial horses and carry on all they like but the fact is that the game is being ruined by players constantly ducking and the holding and blocking in the back end. All teams do it but some have turned it into an art form beyond general play. Like ducking it is not in the spirit of the game and it certainly doesn't add to what the public want to watch as a spectacle. These are the things that infuriates fans as we all know. It needs to be fixed and good on him for taking it to the AFL CEO. Let's see if McLachlan has the foresight and nads to fix it.

Clarko the white knight. Hawthorn is guilty of the same thing go it's disingenuous to target an opposition club and single out players after you just lost to them. Doesn't come across as very selfless.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Longmire not liking a bit of his own medicine.

Sydney supporters seem to forget John Longmire's melting and wanting a royal commission into umpiring.

What was the sum total of that melting again? Privately asking the AFL for an explanation and saying the AFL needed full time umpires when asked about it?

 

[evo]

It's not a blight on the game, it is the game. What's wrong with a player putting themselves in-between the ball and the opposition? Nothing wrong with what wasn't called on the weekend

Personally I don't think it's in the spirit of the game. It's a player taking an opponent out of the game while having no intention of going for the ball.

Leave screening to basketballers.

 

[BloodySwan]

Clarko is more likely than any coach to fill a high position in the AFL over the next few years. He is very passionate about the game and is the most innovative coach and thinker since Ron Barrassi. People can ride their parochial horses and carry on all they like but the fact is that the game is being ruined by players constantly ducking and the holding and blocking in the back end. All teams do it but some have turned it into an art form beyond general play. Like ducking it is not in the spirit of the game and it certainly doesn't add to what the public want to watch as a spectacle. These are the things that infuriates fans as we all know. It needs to be fixed and good on him for taking it to the AFL CEO. Let's see if McLachlan has the foresight and nads to fix it.

Clarko is a head a head coach, not some bastion of light for the game. He goes out every press conference to represent Hawthorn, not the AFL and every statement he makes he does so to improve his own and his clubs positions.

After complaining about blocking did Clarko then say "Smith should have been pinged for blocking Jones from contesting Gunston. I don't know why we were awarded that goal."

Swings and roundabouts Clarko. He only cares when it doesn't benefit his team

 

[Bardo State]

Funny.

Don't mention them at all. If you have an issue interpretation go through the right channels. He's only hurt himself here.

People always complain about players and coaches giving canned answers and cliches instead of having a real personality and real opinions. But when someone comes along with actual insight and says to the media, "I think X about the game and I think Y is a clear example of it," people lose their shit.

Then all of a sudden he should have just congratulated the boys and talked about playing four quarters. Just submit your thoughts through the proper channels, keep your opinions to yourself, he should be sanctioned etc.

 

[BloodySwan]

Personally I don't think it's in the spirit of the game. It's a player taking an opponent out of the game while having no intention of going for the ball.

Leave screening to basketballers.

It's called shepparding. One of the first things you teach any kid when they're learning the game. It's entirely entrenched in the game as any other aspect

 

[evo]

It's called shepparding. One of the first things you teach any kid when they're learning the game. It's entirely entrenched in the game as any other aspect

Oh please.

 

[momentbymoment]

Sydney needs to let Hawthorn take all the marks next time they play. Would hate to see the special needs coach cry or punch a wall out of fustwation.

 

[The Gong]

People always complain about players and coaches giving canned answers and cliches instead of having a real personality and real opinions. But when someone comes along with actual insight and says to the media, "I think X about the game and I think Y is a clear example of it," people lose their shit.

Then all of a sudden he should have just congratulated the boys and talked about playing four quarters. Just submit your thoughts through the proper channels, keep your opinions to yourself, he should be sanctioned etc.

Stop throwing up straw man arguments.

Speak your mind. Don't basically accuse the opposition players of cheating.

 

[Bardo State]

It's called shepparding. One of the first things you teach any kid when they're learning the game. It's entirely entrenched in the game as any other aspect

I was taught that you were only allowed to shepherd if the ball was within 5m of the contest. I was also taught that shepherding was completely illegal in marking and ruck contests.

Maybe you were running laps when that bit was explained.

 

[deck]

It's called shepparding. One of the first things you teach any kid when they're learning the game. It's entirely entrenched in the game as any other aspect

But you've never been able to sheppard in a marking contest and still can't. The simple fact is all teams do it at times and get away with it.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Sydney needs to let Hawthorn take all the marks next time they play. Would hate to see the special needs coach cry or punch a wall out of fustwation.

Special needs coach? What are you implying?