Speculation Clayton Oliver [UFA 2030]

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Pure_Ownage said:
I know im just pointing out no one will take on his current deal so hes stuck at melb.
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And that's unfortunate in that they are in the unenviable position of midtable without top picks and they can't compete for success and we are getting closer to 2028 so bottoming rebuild is too late.
 

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tiger_tough said:
How's Corn saying Dees will have to give their 1st pick to someone to take him? he's ran with that twice now.
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lol yeah, Cornes is an abolsute clown. He hates the dees. He literally contradicts himself. He criticises the dees for not getting more from Grundy, even though it was a salary dump but then says Melbourne must pay another club to get Oliver salary off the books. A complete 100% contradiction in every sense.
 
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danster168 said:
lol yeah, Cornes is an abolsute clown. He hates the dees. He literally contradicts himself. He criticises the dees for not getting more from Grundy, even though it was a salary dump but then says Melbourne must pay another club to get Oliver salary off the books. A complete 100% contradiction in every sense.
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Priming the pump so he can criticise the Crows for over paying.

A dollar invested today nets a return tomorrow
 
CatToTheFuture said:
Priming the pump so he can criticise the Crows for over paying.

A dollar invested today nets a return tomorrow
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Oliver is worth every penny should he return to his best. And his best is 100% mental. That's the battle. If dees think that they can get him on track then they'll keep him, if they're unsure (and the crows hold hope) then there's a trade. But whoever gets him could get one of the greats of the game for the next 5 years. It's a big potential trade/hold whichever way it goes.
 
Oliver is not going anywhere.

Nobody in their right mind would take over that contract.
Melbourne have no choice but to just hope he comes back better next year.

If they offload him, they would have to pay half his contract.
Even then he would be a risk for another club to take for several years, as it is unknown whether he can be trusted.

Melbourne made the deal, now they just have to live with it and hope it doesn't keep going down the same track.

Personally, I hope he has a good preseason away from football and comes back a new man.
 

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Absolutely crazy that he is contracted to 2030. I wonder if he would have been as loose as he has been if he only had 1-2 years left on his deal. That comfort might allow him to play up more.
 
AFDogs said:
Absolutely crazy that he is contracted to 2030. I wonder if he would have been as loose as he has been if he only had 1-2 years left on his deal. That comfort might allow him to play up more.
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Its the kind of contract that should get the list manger instantly fired, at least he would be in other sports. Letting the same guy who gave that contract out try and fix it would be beyond stupid. But its the Melbourne football club we are talking about, where sTaBiLiTy is king, just guzzle your own bathwater and live off 2021 for eternity.
 
Klink said:
100%. Similar to Jack Bowes deal, you get that contract off the books for a club willing to take it on. Sadly for Melbourne, no one will..
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Bowes only had 2 years in his deal and we extended it to flatten out the cash to something much more reasonable. This is the last year of his initial contract with us and he's only 26.

You can't just extend and flatten that cash when he's contracted to age 33 already. To get him under a million, and assuming it indexed to 1.3 as reported then you'd be extending him to age 35 without offering him any more dollars to do so. To get him to sign that you probably need to add more years again. You just can't do that, so this contract is stuck at 7.5% of total salary cap with no scope to change. It's so much worse a situation than Bowes contract wise it's not remotely comparable.

But if he gets back to prime Clarry then he's worth the money, he has huge upside to get back to brownlow contention.
 
He's a weird one. Light-years better than Bowes if he gets back to his best but on the fattest contract in the AFL. Every team in the comp would love to have him if they know he's back on track but that's really impossible to know for sure.
 
A11dAtP0w3R said:
Its the kind of contract that should get the list manger instantly fired, at least he would be in other sports. Letting the same guy who gave that contract out try and fix it would be beyond stupid. But its the Melbourne football club we are talking about, where sTaBiLiTy is king, just guzzle your own bathwater and live off 2021 for eternity.
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bit harsh, dont forget at the time he signed the dude was genuinely one of the best players in the whole comp. maybe other teams were offering same terms and melbourne had to match it to keep him.

similar to josh kelly when he signed the big deal at gws. had to do it cause north threw the same deal at him.
 
sexyhunk said:
bit harsh, dont forget at the time he signed the dude was genuinely one of the best players in the whole comp. maybe other teams were offering same terms and melbourne had to match it to keep him.

similar to josh kelly when he signed the big deal at gws. had to do it cause north threw the same deal at him.
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Not really, Goody said himself that there has been numerous off field issues they have had to work thru with him throughout his career and that last year wasn't a once off. If you were going to give him such a long term deal there should have at least been some sort of behavioural clause in the deal. If you needed to pay him stupid money for him to stay they should have given him more over a shorter period. Kelly has never had any off field issues as far as im aware.

To top it all off the game has moved away from pure inside mids, even if Oliver were to get back to his best for the duration of the contract there is no way in hell we can breakeven on this deal. You need to be a inside/outside mid with goal kicking ability to justify this sort deal now.
 
CatToTheFuture said:
Bowes only had 2 years in his deal and we extended it to flatten out the cash to something much more reasonable. This is the last year of his initial contract with us and he's only 26.

You can't just extend and flatten that cash when he's contracted to age 33 already. To get him under a million, and assuming it indexed to 1.3 as reported then you'd be extending him to age 35 without offering him any more dollars to do so. To get him to sign that you probably need to add more years again. You just can't do that, so this contract is stuck at 7.5% of total salary cap with no scope to change. It's so much worse a situation than Bowes contract wise it's not remotely comparable.

But if he gets back to prime Clarry then he's worth the money, he has huge upside to get back to brownlow contention.
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It's slightly more comparable to the Treloar trade.

'Treloar was traded in the final minutes of the trade period, along with picks 26, 33 and 42, in exchange for Pick 14 and a future second-round selection - without the two clubs actually sorting out the full financial details.

In the end Collingwood will have to pay the $1.5 million difference between the deal they originally gave him and the five-year, $3 million deal the Bulldogs have signed Treloar to, reports the Herald Sun.'

The outcome of that trade was essentially cancelling each other out in terms of draft points....with Collingwood also paying 33% of his 5 year contract...

Melbourne's situation with Oliver is much worse. Unlike Treloar, Oliver's performances have fallen off a cliff, he's clearly still not in great condition, huge issues around attitude/professionalism, the contract is longer AND at more $$ per year...

If you were the Crows you'd absolutely be asking for Melbourne's 1st rounder (with Crows taking ALL/Bulk of the contract $$'s). The trade has risk written all over it.
 
CatToTheFuture said:
Bowes only had 2 years in his deal and we extended it to flatten out the cash to something much more reasonable. This is the last year of his initial contract with us and he's only 26.

You can't just extend and flatten that cash when he's contracted to age 33 already. To get him under a million, and assuming it indexed to 1.3 as reported then you'd be extending him to age 35 without offering him any more dollars to do so. To get him to sign that you probably need to add more years again. You just can't do that, so this contract is stuck at 7.5% of total salary cap with no scope to change. It's so much worse a situation than Bowes contract wise it's not remotely comparable.

But if he gets back to prime Clarry then he's worth the money, he has huge upside to get back to brownlow contention.
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He has upside IF he can get back to Prime Clarry, but HUGE upside? The bloke literally said himself his shoulders are so cooked he can't swim anymore
 
OccamsRazorRay said:
He has upside IF he can get back to Prime Clarry, but HUGE upside? The bloke literally said himself his shoulders are so cooked he can't swim anymore
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So nice you replied twice?

His best could still be pretty good and on a favourable trade with Melbourne retaining significant cash on the deal then I would call it huge upside. Anyway, that's kind of semantics
 
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