Recommitted Clayton Oliver [re-signed until 2030]

[Judds Junk]

Have it on good authority (Melbourne player) that Carlton offered Clayton Oliver a massive deal but he has knocked it back and intends to stay for much less.

Very strong info he is going to Carlton

Would love it, but seems highly unlikely.

As a hypothetical.... what would it cost to get it done. If Carlton could split pick 7 into two late first rounders... would one of those + future first get it done?

 

[Brutalitops]

Would love it, but seems highly unlikely.

As a hypothetical.... what would it cost to get it done. If Carlton could split pick 7 into two late first rounders... would one of those + future first get it done?

No. Pick 7 would need to be involved.

 

[markm106]

No. Pick 7 would need to be involved.

You would have to think without parting with a key player, trading in Saad and a contracted Oliver this year would be an impossibility.

 

[Brutalitops]

You would have to think without parting with a key player, trading in Saad and a contracted Oliver this year would be an impossibility.

Im of the same opinion.

 

[Devastating Boris]

You would have to think without parting with a key player, trading in Saad and a contracted Oliver this year would be an impossibility.

Agreed. The most cap room you can have at any one time is $1.24M (before delistings, trades etc.). That’s going from 95% to 105% cap use. Williams is taking 2/3 of that by himself. Carlton’s exits so far haven’t shifted much cap room.

 

[tragic]

Agreed. The most cap room you can have at any one time is $1.24M (before delistings, trades etc.). That’s going from 95% to 105% cap use. Williams is taking 2/3 of that by himself. Carlton’s exits so far haven’t shifted much cap room.

Carlton have carried over 3 years of 95 per cent spending

 

[Devastating Boris]

Carlton have carried over 3 years of 95 per cent spending

I’m fairly certain you can still only utilise 105% of the cap which is an additional $622k (and change) on top of the $12.4M (100% cap).

TBH I’m not sure of what Carlton pays it players, but I was of the assumption that it used its 105% to get Martin in the door. Might be wrong though.

Carlton paying 105 per cent of salary cap

Blues using AFL's "banking" system to maximise player payments and create room to bolster future list.

amp.theage.com.au

 

[juss]

Carlton are quite trade happy when it comes to acquiring from other clubs, generally what this means is they have to pay more salary to bring them across, players rarely leave their clubs for a pay cut unless it's for success, and Carlton are certainly not in that category.

With some of their recent and planned acquisitions like Saad, I don't know how they could also afford Oliver and then be able to pay future guys that will probably demand a significant pay rise like Walsh, Weitering, Mackay, maybe C Curnow if he's fit.

 

[F_therest]

I’m fairly certain you can still only utilise 105% of the cap which is an additional $622k (and change) on top of the $12.4M (100% cap).

TBH I’m not sure of what Carlton pays it players, but I was of the assumption that it used its 105% to get Martin in the door. Might be wrong though.

Carlton paying 105 per cent of salary cap

Blues using AFL's "banking" system to maximise player payments and create room to bolster future list.

amp.theage.com.au

What you're leaving out is the amount we've front-loaded on our contracts - which is something that is complicated and none of us would know.

You're right about the whole having to pay 95% - 105% of the cap...however I don't believe there is any restrictions on what makes up those payments.

Eg Despite the cap being $12.4m a year (100%) I think in theory a club could have a yearly average player wage of say only $10 million...BUT they could front-load contracts to meet $12.4m. Because of this, our wage bill for the next year then drops to under $8m, giving us almost $3.4 million in cap space and the opportunity to sign multiple big name players.

See what I'm getting at? While you need to pay a 95% minimum of the cap each year, it doesn't mean a club's yearly contract wages (when not front or back loading) has to be 95%.

 

[blueboy25]

Agreed. The most cap room you can have at any one time is $1.24M (before delistings, trades etc.). That’s going from 95% to 105% cap use. Williams is taking 2/3 of that by himself. Carlton’s exits so far haven’t shifted much cap room.

You don't think Kreuzer and Simpson combined would match the $750k Williams will be getting

 

[Devastating Boris]

You don't think Kreuzer and Simpson combined would match the $750k Williams will be getting

God no!
Williams on $800-850k. His first year will be up around $950k mark.

 

[blueboy25]

God no!
Williams on $800-850k. His first year will be up around $950k mark.

So what do you think Kruezer and Simpson would have been on? I would have thought they would be on $400-$450k each

 

[PrinceCharles]

God no!
Williams on $800-850k. His first year will be up around $950k mark.

He's not on that much. Would imagine Simpson, Kreuzer and Lang would clear some room, plus you can always shift contracts around to be front and back loaded.

 

[00Stinger]

I’m fairly certain you can still only utilise 105% of the cap which is an additional $622k (and change) on top of the $12.4M (100% cap).

TBH I’m not sure of what Carlton pays it players, but I was of the assumption that it used its 105% to get Martin in the door. Might be wrong though.

Carlton paying 105 per cent of salary cap

Blues using AFL's "banking" system to maximise player payments and create room to bolster future list.

amp.theage.com.au

can only imagine they have turned back the clock 20 years and are paying players with these again

 

[FairKouta]

can only imagine they have turned back the clock 20 years and are paying players with these again

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[Brezsa]

God no!
Williams on $800-850k. His first year will be up around $950k mark.

Kruezer and Simpson combine probably pays for Saad at $650 with change left over (like 50k)

Martin they loaded heavily for the PSD so that probably pays half of Williams. So realistically there is probably $700k sitting there.

The concern is that Cripps will get a million chucked at him elsewhere, McKay may one day & possible C Curnow.

The club can probably structure it in a way to do it, the problem will be that at some point you will be relying on players to take unders as they won’t be matching the offers elsewhere. To get them to take unders you probably need to be competing for premierships, so if Carlton are pulling the pin on the likes of Oliver, it better put them up there ASAP or there will be a mass exodus and they are stuffed.

High risk, high reward situation for the club, but it could blow up and bring them straight back to where they have been the last decade

 

[markm106]

Even putting the salary cap aside. Trading in Saad and Oliver is not possible without parting with a key player.

 

[markm106]

Carlton have the first 2 picks in the PSD.

 

[FairKouta]

Hypothetically if oliver nominates. Pick 7 and next years first is the bare minimum i would of thought. Still don’t think Melbourne would let him go or he even nominates

 

[Kramer1]

Kruezer and Simpson combine probably pays for Saad at $650 with change left over (like 50k)

Martin they loaded heavily for the PSD so that probably pays half of Williams. So realistically there is probably $700k sitting there.

The average player salary is 400k. Kreuzer and Simpson would have been in our top ten, they would be nearer a combined 1.2m

 

[Moist Biscuit]

The average player salary is 400k. Kreuzer and Simpson would have been in our top ten, they would be nearer a combined 1.2m

1.2 mil on the perennially injured Matthew Kruezer and a 36 year old Kade Simpson? I don't think so mate.

 

[Devastating Boris]

1.2 mil on the perennially injured Matthew Kruezer and a 36 year old Kade Simpson? I don't think so mate.

Not bad from the ever frugal SOS hahaha.

 

[Kramer1]

1.2 mil on the perennially injured Matthew Kruezer and a 36 year old Kade Simpson? I don't think so mate.

Well who were we paying? For every kid on 200K there is a vet 600k. It's not hard to work out...

 

[Iceman!]

Wait so Simpson and Kreuz were on close to 600k

Martin on over a mil for this year

Cripps and Doch on big money

Plus McGovern got big money when he came across

Yet they were paying 95% of the cap this year? I don't think so

 

[FairKouta]

Wait so Simpson and Kreuz were on close to 600k

Martin on over a mil for this year

Cripps and Doch on big money

Plus McGovern got big money when he came across

Yet they were paying 95% of the cap this year? I don't think so

Ok mate so tell us what we did since you seem to know. I mean the club has come out and said we have enough money to go after A grader why are you disputing what the ceo said ?