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sobrave said:
Yeah I must be a real dickhead to be annoyed that pretty much every living organism on the planet is being ****ed hard by human green and stupidity.
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I'm sure there's a pill or some kind of medical procedure out there that can fix that empathy problem you seem to have.
 

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EskimoPAFC said:
They had a period once called "Snowball Earth" where the entire planet was encased in ice and snow. Organisms survived that.
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Dude. Carn. Of course there has been mass extinctions before. The planets been around 4 billion years.

Life will go on. That doesn't mean it isn't regretful that we've utterly ruined a lot of the wonder out there.

For some reason BTZ thinks it's funny and implausible that I could care that future generations are going to get a very different planet, without much of what I consider wonderful - the forests, the unique plants, the wildlife, etc etc. Apparently I'm wrong for caring about that at all.
 
sobrave said:
Dude. Carn. Of course there has been mass extinctions before. The planets been around 4 billion years.

Life will go on. That doesn't mean it isn't regretful that we've utterly ruined a lot of the wonder out there.

For some reason BTZ thinks it's funny and implausible that I could care that future generations are going to get a very different planet, without much of what I consider wonderful - the forests, the unique plants, the wildlife, etc etc. Apparently I'm wrong for caring about that at all.
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I'm laughing at your selective rage. There was a globally accepted goal that was met which is actually quite an achievement. Why don't you go on off on some countries that aren't doing anything?
 
backtozero said:
I'm laughing at your selective rage. There was a globally accepted goal that was met which is actually quite an achievement. Why don't you go on off on some countries that aren't doing anything?
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No you aren't, you're laughing at the idea of someone displaying a basic human emotion. Empathy is normal buddy, embrace it.

The UN/IPCC has called for no new coal/gas projects for a while, yet we keep doing it.

It's not just us, I'm frustrated at the entire situation. Scientists have been ignored for decades because of politics and the fossil fuel lobby. The chickens will come home to roost and the pieces of shit responsible will be long dead unfortunately. We, collectively, as a species, could have done so much more. Unfortunately future generations are going to cop it.
 
All the single malts, the beer, all the tech you enjoy, all the music, the computer games, the bitching and moaning and raging on the interwebz which gives you your pathetic little platform because nobody in the real world ever listened to you, the pizza ovens, the decking, the wilderness, the driving of your deisel guzzling vehicle, the medical care that helps your sickly woman, the drugs you take to help with your fragile mental state, all the other creature comforts you enjoy....thanks boomers...
 
All the pro US military industrial complex propaganda SLAVA UNKRAONE. I am sure those guys don't use a lot of fossil fuels in their pursuit of monetizing global conflict through manufacture and supply of gas guzzling fighter jets and armoured vehicles and big ****ing boats.

But a carbon neutral nuclear powered sub is a ****ing ethical deal-breaker.

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"This report confirms that if the current trends, current patterns of consumption and production continues, then ... the global average 1.5 degrees temperature increase will be seen sometime in this decade," Lee said.

Consumption, production.

Stop buying new things if you can avoid it. Just stop it. Stop buying new cars. Stop buying new TVs. There's no shame in going without. Stop buying smart ****ing tech it's pointless and excessive the shit you had yesterday worked just fine.

You know what also worked fine that has been around for like, decades? Nuclear power, again. Exception for knocking a few more of them up. The best time to do it was 50 years ago. The next best time is first thing in the morning. Fancy those places that have already done the hard yards and consumption and production of their carbon neutral power generation plant, just, turning them off, for reasons.

Covid was one of the best things that could have happened to the world for this, and yet, people couldn't wait to get out of it and return to their establisbed lifestyles. The imposed conditions that were actually beneficial to the planet and climate, was too much for too many. Gotta have the cake, and gotta eat it too.

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edgie said:
All the pro US military industrial complex propaganda SLAVA UNKRAONE. I am sure those guys don't use a lot of fossil fuels in their pursuit of monetizing global conflict through manufacture and supply of gas guzzling fighter jets and armoured vehicles and big ******* boats.

But a carbon neutral nuclear powered sub is a ******* ethical deal-breaker.

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The destruction of Nordstream 2 resulted in the equivalent of one-third of Denmark's total annual greenhouse gas emissions being released into the atmosphere.

Also:
On contact with the air, methane, the main component in natural gas could "ignite, leading to explosions", according to the director of the German environmental group DUH, Sascha Mueller-Kraenner.

As a result, ships and flights have been banned from the area.

Methane is also a greenhouse gas that is much more environmentally damaging than carbon dioxide.

The volumes contained in the pipeline could be equivalent to "several million tonnes of CO2", Mr Mueller-Kraenner said.

"That has dramatic consequences for the climate," he said.
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THaNkS bOoMeRs.
 
1. Japan is building 22 new coal powerplants.
2. India says they need 28 gigawatts of new coal powerplants by 2032 to meet demand.
3. China was building two new coal powerplants per week in 2022.
4. Germany plans to reopen 6.9 gigawatt worth of coal powerplants.

What do these four countries have in common? They need cheap power to keep their economy sustainable.

Meanwhile, Rolls Royce - the same company that is building the reactors for the AUKUS sub - has just signed MoU with Finland, Sweden and Ukraine to investigate the building of SMR nuclear reactors in those countries. But they are also developing micro reactors for use in space exploration.



Space exploration was the number one driver of technology development through the 60s, 70s and 80s. What you are going to see is a renaissance of technology in the coming years. What the climate change agenda is really about is making sure that the wealth that is generated from this technology is 'distributed fairly' not just to the developed nations that use it, but to the developing nations that might not be able to afford it. It's a socialist policy disguised as saving the planet.

Once you accept this, then you understand why it's so "urgent". It's not urgent because the effects are irreversible. It's urgent because if developed nations get to net zero themselves based on nuclear tech before the need for any kind of carbon trading (which is what the socialist policy is built upon), then there won't be the redistribution of wealth that the UN so desperately wants. Hence the reason why if you scratch an environmentalist, you'll generally find a socialist underneath.
 
The end is near for internal combustion engine vehicles, with this news:
"The increased energy density now at (210 kWh/kg) will enable EVs like the Tesla Model 3 to get a range of around 700km with a similar sized battery pack to the existing LFP batteries CATL currently supplies Tesla."
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Tesla supplier CATL to produce M3P batteries that will deliver big boost in range for EVs

CATL, the battery supplier for Tesla and a number of other big car makers, says it will begin production of new battery chemistry that deliver significant boost in range.
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What to do with end of life solar panels is finally getting air time.
We have 15 years at most to deal with it, and I don't mean the aluminium frame surrounding the panels.

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Solar industry feeling the heat over disposal of 80 million panels - The AIM Network

University of South Australia Media Release The renewable energy sector is facing a quandary: how Australia will dispose of 80 million solar panels in an environmentally friendly way when they reach the end of their life. Paradoxically, one of the reasons people are installing solar photovoltaic...
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Lawnchair Larry said:
What to do with end of life solar panels is finally getting air time.
We have 15 years at most to deal with it, and I don't mean the aluminium frame surrounding the panels.

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Solar industry feeling the heat over disposal of 80 million panels - The AIM Network

University of South Australia Media Release The renewable energy sector is facing a quandary: how Australia will dispose of 80 million solar panels in an environmentally friendly way when they reach the end of their life. Paradoxically, one of the reasons people are installing solar photovoltaic...
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Imagine if we channeled the tens of billions in fossil fuel subsidies towards recycling
 
SaintsSeptember said:
Just because you wan't something doesn't mean you can always buy it.
You could also channel money to interstellar space travel if you were inclined.
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Recycling is expensive. The market won't do it itself unless there's money to be made.

Recycling of finite resources is a better idea to subsidise than digging more shit up.

I am well aware that not everything can be recycled, and we still need to mine rare earth minerals to power the shift away from oil and gas.

We spend about 10 billion a year subsidising a dying industry actively killing the planet. I'm simply saying, stop doing that, and maybe put it somewhere else. Sure, even interstellar travel is a better option. Go nuts.

We pay billions to subsidise Australia’s fossil fuel industry. This makes absolutely no economic sense.
 
edgie said:
"This report confirms that if the current trends, current patterns of consumption and production continues, then ... the global average 1.5 degrees temperature increase will be seen sometime in this decade," Lee said.

Consumption, production.

Stop buying new things if you can avoid it. Just stop it. Stop buying new cars. Stop buying new TVs. There's no shame in going without. Stop buying smart ******* tech it's pointless and excessive the s**t you had yesterday worked just fine.

You know what also worked fine that has been around for like, decades? Nuclear power, again. Exception for knocking a few more of them up. The best time to do it was 50 years ago. The next best time is first thing in the morning. Fancy those places that have already done the hard yards and consumption and production of their carbon neutral power generation plant, just, turning them off, for reasons.

Covid was one of the best things that could have happened to the world for this, and yet, people couldn't wait to get out of it and return to their establisbed lifestyles. The imposed conditions that were actually beneficial to the planet and climate, was too much for too many. Gotta have the cake, and gotta eat it too.

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It doesn't help things that we buy crap products that are designed to fall apart within a short time.
Its pretty easy to design stuff to "not break" or failing that , to be repaired.
Hoover vacuum cleaners had a business model for years where they would convince people that their old vaccum was garbage, ( it was ) and the new model Hoover was far superior ( it wasn't ). They got really shitty at Dyson for actually making a better one. One executive regretted that they didn't buy Dyson technology when it was offered, so they could shelve it .
 
sobrave said:
Recycling is expensive. The market won't do it itself unless there's money to be made.

Recycling of finite resources is a better idea to subsidise than digging more s**t up.

I am well aware that not everything can be recycled, and we still need to mine rare earth minerals to power the shift away from oil and gas.

We spend about 10 billion a year subsidising a dying industry actively killing the planet. I'm simply saying, stop doing that, and maybe put it somewhere else. Sure, even interstellar travel is a better option. Go nuts.

We pay billions to subsidise Australia’s fossil fuel industry. This makes absolutely no economic sense.
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I call that sensationalist bullshit.
The biggest of your subsidies is a refund of fuel excise. Refunding a tax is NOT a subsidy.
If an excise is put on Petrol to provide revenue for road maintenance why is it applicable from those who don't use roads.
It makes out that the fuel credit scheme is targeted at select industries, but its targeted at those who don't use public roads.
Its still not a subsidy anyway if its only crediting tax already paid.

You could claim that other countries subsidize it even more than Australia by not having an excise in the first place.
 

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