Roast Club Propaganda & Media Censoring

[rogerjames]

What is that garbage that Rucci is writing, and the need to endlessly compare to 2011-2012? it is kind of sickening. Its about time we moved on to the main business. Then he turns up at all of Hinkleys post match press conferences to nurse the conversation. Is he freelance in these instances? Or as a port media contractor? Does any other club do this? Its quite embarrassing. I can understand we need to have a directed media presence externally, especially when battling the SANFL, but this stuff of deflecting hard questions on performance and preparation, and learning (eg from the prelim) is giving me the sh$ts. It shows a real defensiveness from the club to its own critical ,disappointed and disengaged supporters.

We have become what we use to despise

 

[rogerjames]

This must be what it feels like when squatters take over your home and they just wont leave.

Good analogy

 

[rogerjames]

We had this exact same issue in 2015/16 when we all thought we had great depth in Aaron Young, Sam Gray etc and they were flash in the pan flankers like what we have now. Young had one really good year then was gone, same as countless others from that era. Our depth wasn't good enough then same as it isn't now.

So two or three list builds later we have the same list issues we had in 2015/16. This time the list is a lot older, and the only way out of it is to rebuild properly through the draft not through the trade period. Someone at the club has to make that call and stick to it. Not try and make finals to make up numbers and not bottom out. The eternal 6th-11th finishes achieve nothing. It keeps us barely relevant but also keeps us out of the running for the elite talent in the draft. Which is what we need.

We all knew coming into this year our list wasn't good enough to win a Premiership pre the injuries to Dixon, Aliir, Fantasia and co. We knew that because we got smashed by 71 points in a home preliminary final. The list gap between us and Melbourne, Brisbane and the Bulldogs who would be the top 3 contenders pre season is they all have elite midfielders and a game breaker like Petracca, Bontempelli etc and we don't. Plus those sides have a gameplan that they know holds up under pressure, Brisbane haven't got to the Grand Final yet but they're a lot closer then we are. Also we had two year with a golden chance to win at least one, maybe two flags with barely any hub stays or disruptions but we couldn't handle the pressure while other clubs like Richmond & Melbourne thrived under the pressure. Mentally our group isn't as tough as those two and the Bulldogs and the results speak for themselves. In the trade period we added another flaky forward flanker in Finlayson and targeted Sinn in the draft. Sinn looks like he'll be a player in time, as long as he's given the time. But we needed a elite midfielder who could break the lines, and use the footy something we didn't target.

Where we sit this year isn't a great surprise, the ass fell out in the preliminary final and those wounds are still there. Only Hinkley and co didn't want to act on it and ignored all the signs and now we sit 0-3 with likely 10-12 sides passing us in one pre season.

Luv this summary, so spot on

 

[rogerjames]

I kind of agree with the sentiment on flakey flankers... but I think our flakey flankers are shit. They don't even really do that much when the going is good - Bonner, Burton, DBJ have all been mediocre over the journey (barring one year from DBJ) - at least compared to some of the best small defenders in the league.

I'm thinking Houston and Amon as wings so am leaving them out, they've improved as outside mids.

Our flankers have been very ordinary for quite some time. On Amon, always goes missing in tough games. Gets lots of junk possession. Imo he's only had one year where he played tough, contested, efficient footy worthy of the accolades he gets.

 

[chachi11]

It's embarrassing the club publishes these Rucci articles on the website.

"Hey guys, read this article, all is gREaT!"

 

[Duck Farmer]

Let's analyse Rucci's latest propaganda piece ...

Port Adelaide is 0-4. Add two opening losses in the SANFL and it is far from the start imagined internally or externally during the summer that was tracking well ...until late January when key forward Charlie Dixon tore ligaments in his left ankle after landing awkwardly on a team-mate at training.

Thinly veiled excuse #1 - Charlie Dixon is out injured, everything would've been going great if that didn't happen.

Talkback radio after Port Adelaide losses is loaded with very edgy calls from genuine fans ... and a few unvetted opportunists. Those who are the real deal in teal are gripped by frustration. Their want to vent with reasoned views (rather than uncontrolled rage) on a public forum - which now extends to social media, blog sites and forums - is actually an encouraging sign: It shows they care.

Cheap shot at fans #1 - the use of the term "real deal in teal" in a clear attempt to antagonise the traditional part of the supporter base, who also happen to be those with high expectations.

Cheap shot at fans #2 - anyone who criticises the club on social media, blog sites or forums is implied to be not a real fan.

The day the switchboards go silent for post-game talkback is the day to be genuinely concerned ... as the Port Adelaide Football Club was in that so-called "dark chapter" era of 2010-2012 when the team's on-field woes was overshadowed by off-field crises around debt, the future of the club's AFL licence and the battle to get away from Football Park to "return home" to a remodelled Adelaide Oval. It is a different Port Adelaide Football Club today.

Disingenuous parallel to a tiny 2 year period in the club's 152 year history - implication is that because the club isn't literally dying we should be happy no matter what is being served up on the field.

"We know they are a really strong footy club," said Melbourne premiership coach Simon Goodwin on Thursday night at Adelaide Oval. The former Adelaide captain finished his playing career in 2010 when starkly contrasting views were building on the Port Adelaide Football Club.

Use of a disingenuous comment from an opposition coach to support his absurd argument that a club that sits 18th on the ladder is strong - what the hell else is an opposition coach going to say?

In contrast to 2010-2012, there is a fully funded football program at Alberton, albeit working to the challenges and cutbacks imposed across the league by the COVID pandemic.

Flat out lie - how can our football department be considered 'fully funded' when multiple key members of the football department departed at the end of last season and were replaced by nobody?

Emotional scars from the home preliminary final loss to the Western Bulldogs last year? There might be something in that - and not just for Port Adelaide. The Western Bulldogs are 1-3, have the goalkicking yips (with a 40.53 count to match Port Adelaide's 34.49) ... and might have scars from being overwhelmed by Melbourne in last year's AFL grand final in Perth.

Bizarre attempt to equate the mental scarring from our preliminary final loss to the Bulldogs' grand final loss in the context of both teams starting the season poorly - despite spending the entire article to this point telling us we're jumping at shadows and everything is going great.

Injuries. "They do have some key personnel out at the moment," noted Goodwin on Thursday night when Port Adelaide was without Dixon, experienced midfielder-forward Robbie Gray, Essendon recruit Orazio Fantasia and All-Australian defender Aliir Aliir. There is that fine line between "reasons" and "excuses" when a team points to its injury list. Some players are tougher to replace than others, regardless of the progress of a "squad mentality" for depth on a locked player list controlled by a salary cap.

Thinly veiled excuse #2 - but wait, it's not just Dixon injured, it's others too!

The list. Port Adelaide's strategy to develop the league best under-24 squad presents great opportunity to Xavier Duursma, Connor Rozee, Zak Butters, Lachie Jones, Jackson Mead, Willem Drew, Miles Bergman, Jed McEntee, Georgiades ... Fast-tracking their development and their ability to live up to expectation is the challenge for the football program. And unlike the 2010-2012 chapter, there is a greater prospect of success.

Diversion attempt - talk about the kids ... so despite this team having made back to back preliminary finals, it's not about now, it's about the future (how convenient).

Totally unfounded comment at the end - there is no evidence to suggest that the young players now have a greater prospect of success than the young players back then (who by the way, got within 3 points of dynasty Hawthorn in a preliminary final).

Hinkley arrived at Alberton - while many others refused to look up the suburb on their electronic street directories - vowing (before he even knew the qualities of his players) that Port Adelaide would "never, ever give up!"

Hodor Hinkley reference - nobody wanted to coach Port, Ken came and saved the day, you'll be back there in no time if you sack him!

At 0-4 the external script is "Port Adelaide is done". North Melbourne made a 0-4 start in 1975 and won the VFL premiership - the club's first - after finishing the home-and-away series at 14-8 in an era of just five finalists. Sydney rebounded from 0-6 in 2017 to finish the top-eight qualifiers at 14-8 and played two finals, losing to Geelong in the AFL semi-finals.

Straw clutch - one team, one, nearly half a century ago, won a premiership from 0-4 so we're every chance still ... oh and when we get to 0-6 in two weeks time, I'll still be running the Sydney Swans 2017 line on you.

tl;dr summary of Rucci's article:

• Port's game plan hinges on keeping a banged up veteran with glass ankles on the park
• Doctor Feel is the most caring Port supporter in history
• The entire history of the PAFC was a bin fire before Hinkley arrived
• Melbourne have a long way to go to be like Port Adelaide
• Koch is shaking down the Cash Cow to keep us afloat
• If we made last year's GF it would've been like telling 119 to hold my beer
• The fine line between injuries and excuses is thinner than a Vegas stripper's g-string
• Jed McEntee is one of the best U24 players in the league
• Hinkley's key strengths are being able to read a GPS and making shit up
• So you're telling me there's a chance?

 

[Kablamo]

Let's analyse Rucci's latest propaganda piece ...

Port Adelaide is 0-4. Add two opening losses in the SANFL and it is far from the start imagined internally or externally during the summer that was tracking well ...until late January when key forward Charlie Dixon tore ligaments in his left ankle after landing awkwardly on a team-mate at training.

Thinly veiled excuse #1 - Charlie Dixon is out injured, everything would've been going great if that didn't happen.

Talkback radio after Port Adelaide losses is loaded with very edgy calls from genuine fans ... and a few unvetted opportunists. Those who are the real deal in teal are gripped by frustration. Their want to vent with reasoned views (rather than uncontrolled rage) on a public forum - which now extends to social media, blog sites and forums - is actually an encouraging sign: It shows they care.

Cheap shot at fans #1 - the use of the term "real deal in teal" in a clear attempt to antagonise the traditional part of the supporter base, who also happen to be those with high expectations.

Cheap shot at fans #2 - anyone who criticises the club on social media, blog sites or forums is implied to be not a real fan.

The day the switchboards go silent for post-game talkback is the day to be genuinely concerned ... as the Port Adelaide Football Club was in that so-called "dark chapter" era of 2010-2012 when the team's on-field woes was overshadowed by off-field crises around debt, the future of the club's AFL licence and the battle to get away from Football Park to "return home" to a remodelled Adelaide Oval. It is a different Port Adelaide Football Club today.

Disingenuous parallel to a tiny 2 year period in the club's 152 year history - implication is that because the club isn't literally dying we should be happy no matter what is being served up on the field.

"We know they are a really strong footy club," said Melbourne premiership coach Simon Goodwin on Thursday night at Adelaide Oval. The former Adelaide captain finished his playing career in 2010 when starkly contrasting views were building on the Port Adelaide Football Club.

Use of a disingenuous comment from an opposition coach to support his absurd argument that a club that sits 18th on the ladder is strong - what the hell else is an opposition coach going to say?

In contrast to 2010-2012, there is a fully funded football program at Alberton, albeit working to the challenges and cutbacks imposed across the league by the COVID pandemic.

Flat out lie - how can our football department be considered 'fully funded' when multiple key members of the football department departed at the end of last season and were replaced by nobody?

Emotional scars from the home preliminary final loss to the Western Bulldogs last year? There might be something in that - and not just for Port Adelaide. The Western Bulldogs are 1-3, have the goalkicking yips (with a 40.53 count to match Port Adelaide's 34.49) ... and might have scars from being overwhelmed by Melbourne in last year's AFL grand final in Perth.

Bizarre attempt to equate the mental scarring from our preliminary final loss to the Bulldogs' grand final loss in the context of both teams starting the season poorly - despite spending the entire article to this point telling us we're jumping at shadows and everything is going great.

Injuries. "They do have some key personnel out at the moment," noted Goodwin on Thursday night when Port Adelaide was without Dixon, experienced midfielder-forward Robbie Gray, Essendon recruit Orazio Fantasia and All-Australian defender Aliir Aliir. There is that fine line between "reasons" and "excuses" when a team points to its injury list. Some players are tougher to replace than others, regardless of the progress of a "squad mentality" for depth on a locked player list controlled by a salary cap.

Thinly veiled excuse #2 - but wait, it's not just Dixon injured, it's others too!

The list. Port Adelaide's strategy to develop the league best under-24 squad presents great opportunity to Xavier Duursma, Connor Rozee, Zak Butters, Lachie Jones, Jackson Mead, Willem Drew, Miles Bergman, Jed McEntee, Georgiades ... Fast-tracking their development and their ability to live up to expectation is the challenge for the football program. And unlike the 2010-2012 chapter, there is a greater prospect of success.

Diversion attempt - talk about the kids ... so despite this team having made back to back preliminary finals, it's not about now, it's about the future (how convenient).

Totally unfounded comment at the end - there is no evidence to suggest that the young players now have a greater prospect of success than the young players back then (who by the way, got within 3 points of dynasty Hawthorn in a preliminary final).

Hinkley arrived at Alberton - while many others refused to look up the suburb on their electronic street directories - vowing (before he even knew the qualities of his players) that Port Adelaide would "never, ever give up!"

Hodor Hinkley reference - nobody wanted to coach Port, Ken came and saved the day, you'll be back there in no time if you sack him!

At 0-4 the external script is "Port Adelaide is done". North Melbourne made a 0-4 start in 1975 and won the VFL premiership - the club's first - after finishing the home-and-away series at 14-8 in an era of just five finalists. Sydney rebounded from 0-6 in 2017 to finish the top-eight qualifiers at 14-8 and played two finals, losing to Geelong in the AFL semi-finals.

Straw clutch - one team, one, nearly half a century ago, won a premiership from 0-4 so we're every chance still ... oh and when we get to 0-6 in two weeks time, I'll still be running the Sydney Swans 2017 line on you.

I don't post too often but logged in to say really good post.

 

[Us against the rest]

Let's analyse Rucci's latest propaganda piece ...

Port Adelaide is 0-4. Add two opening losses in the SANFL and it is far from the start imagined internally or externally during the summer that was tracking well ...until late January when key forward Charlie Dixon tore ligaments in his left ankle after landing awkwardly on a team-mate at training.

Thinly veiled excuse #1 - Charlie Dixon is out injured, everything would've been going great if that didn't happen.

Talkback radio after Port Adelaide losses is loaded with very edgy calls from genuine fans ... and a few unvetted opportunists. Those who are the real deal in teal are gripped by frustration. Their want to vent with reasoned views (rather than uncontrolled rage) on a public forum - which now extends to social media, blog sites and forums - is actually an encouraging sign: It shows they care.

Cheap shot at fans #1 - the use of the term "real deal in teal" in a clear attempt to antagonise the traditional part of the supporter base, who also happen to be those with high expectations.

Cheap shot at fans #2 - anyone who criticises the club on social media, blog sites or forums is implied to be not a real fan.

The day the switchboards go silent for post-game talkback is the day to be genuinely concerned ... as the Port Adelaide Football Club was in that so-called "dark chapter" era of 2010-2012 when the team's on-field woes was overshadowed by off-field crises around debt, the future of the club's AFL licence and the battle to get away from Football Park to "return home" to a remodelled Adelaide Oval. It is a different Port Adelaide Football Club today.

Disingenuous parallel to a tiny 2 year period in the club's 152 year history - implication is that because the club isn't literally dying we should be happy no matter what is being served up on the field.

"We know they are a really strong footy club," said Melbourne premiership coach Simon Goodwin on Thursday night at Adelaide Oval. The former Adelaide captain finished his playing career in 2010 when starkly contrasting views were building on the Port Adelaide Football Club.

Use of a disingenuous comment from an opposition coach to support his absurd argument that a club that sits 18th on the ladder is strong - what the hell else is an opposition coach going to say?

In contrast to 2010-2012, there is a fully funded football program at Alberton, albeit working to the challenges and cutbacks imposed across the league by the COVID pandemic.

Flat out lie - how can our football department be considered 'fully funded' when multiple key members of the football department departed at the end of last season and were replaced by nobody?

Emotional scars from the home preliminary final loss to the Western Bulldogs last year? There might be something in that - and not just for Port Adelaide. The Western Bulldogs are 1-3, have the goalkicking yips (with a 40.53 count to match Port Adelaide's 34.49) ... and might have scars from being overwhelmed by Melbourne in last year's AFL grand final in Perth.

Bizarre attempt to equate the mental scarring from our preliminary final loss to the Bulldogs' grand final loss in the context of both teams starting the season poorly - despite spending the entire article to this point telling us we're jumping at shadows and everything is going great.

Injuries. "They do have some key personnel out at the moment," noted Goodwin on Thursday night when Port Adelaide was without Dixon, experienced midfielder-forward Robbie Gray, Essendon recruit Orazio Fantasia and All-Australian defender Aliir Aliir. There is that fine line between "reasons" and "excuses" when a team points to its injury list. Some players are tougher to replace than others, regardless of the progress of a "squad mentality" for depth on a locked player list controlled by a salary cap.

Thinly veiled excuse #2 - but wait, it's not just Dixon injured, it's others too!

The list. Port Adelaide's strategy to develop the league best under-24 squad presents great opportunity to Xavier Duursma, Connor Rozee, Zak Butters, Lachie Jones, Jackson Mead, Willem Drew, Miles Bergman, Jed McEntee, Georgiades ... Fast-tracking their development and their ability to live up to expectation is the challenge for the football program. And unlike the 2010-2012 chapter, there is a greater prospect of success.

Diversion attempt - talk about the kids ... so despite this team having made back to back preliminary finals, it's not about now, it's about the future (how convenient).

Totally unfounded comment at the end - there is no evidence to suggest that the young players now have a greater prospect of success than the young players back then (who by the way, got within 3 points of dynasty Hawthorn in a preliminary final).

Hinkley arrived at Alberton - while many others refused to look up the suburb on their electronic street directories - vowing (before he even knew the qualities of his players) that Port Adelaide would "never, ever give up!"

Hodor Hinkley reference - nobody wanted to coach Port, Ken came and saved the day, you'll be back there in no time if you sack him!

At 0-4 the external script is "Port Adelaide is done". North Melbourne made a 0-4 start in 1975 and won the VFL premiership - the club's first - after finishing the home-and-away series at 14-8 in an era of just five finalists. Sydney rebounded from 0-6 in 2017 to finish the top-eight qualifiers at 14-8 and played two finals, losing to Geelong in the AFL semi-finals.

Straw clutch - one team, one, nearly half a century ago, won a premiership from 0-4 so we're every chance still ... oh and when we get to 0-6 in two weeks time, I'll still be running the Sydney Swans 2017 line on you.

Great post and spot on.

 

[chiwigi]

I don't post too often but logged in to say really good post.

TeeKray Please send that to Richo, along with your comments about the cheap shots by Koch!
Those in that ivory tower need to wake the eff up!

 

[Rageaholic]

Those in that ivory tower need to F**K the eff off!

FTFY.

 

[MrPlow]

This “we understand X” bs line is now rolled out by every person at the club.

Imagine if they all put their efforts into doing their actual job instead of rehearsing for public appearances.

 

[Alberton Proud]

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This “we understand X” bs line is now rolled out by every person at the club.

Imagine if they all put their efforts into doing their actual job instead of rehearsing for public appearances.

It's the "we haven't got away to the start we expected" that grinds my gears

It's not just the last 4 weeks this is getting everyone angry

It's the absolute shitstorm since the end of 2017 - that's now 4 years of crap - that have driven us to this point

 

[Capital Power]

We exist to put a win on the board. This from the CEO

 

[Spadge]

Im convinced that Koch and Richardson are both happy clappers

 

[Janus]

Apparently in BigFooty fantasy land, injuries to 2020 All Australian selected key forward and three time leading goal kicker for the club, and a 2021 All Australian selected key defender are listed as 'excuses', not reasons.

 

[Capital Power]

Im convinced that Koch and Richardson are both happy clappers

Yeah, it's clear on-field performance is only a secondary KPI. What I don't get is why they think their business indicators are going to continue to improve even if we don't succeed on-field. I've stopped buying merch (both for myself and as presents for children/grandchildren), and my memberships are non-ticketed so don't generate a whole lot of $ for the Club.

We do seem to be doing everything on the cheap. The AFL doesn't care, so long as we provide that ninth game every weekend for the broadcasters. We've now (rightly, for once) been shunted off to the graveyard timeslots, so I can't imagine sponsors are going to be happy either. It'd be good if someone in the media (or, better still someone at the Club) could tell us what's really going on.

I know I harp on how un-Port our board is but there must be a handful who still bleed black and white, surely?

 

[PatientMental]

Apparently in BigFooty fantasy land, injuries to 2020 All Australian selected key forward and three time leading goal kicker for the club, and a 2021 All Australian selected key defender are listed as 'excuses', not reasons.

We won a flag without one of the most dominant ruckman of his time and a brownlow runner up.

They 100% are just that. Excuses.

 

[malcheski]

We won a flag without one of the most dominant ruckman of his time and a brownlow runner up.

They 100% are just that. Excuses.

This. History is littered with successful sides overcoming injuries to key players.

 

[TeeKray]

Apparently in BigFooty fantasy land, injuries to 2020 All Australian selected key forward and three time leading goal kicker for the club, and a 2021 All Australian selected key defender are listed as 'excuses', not reasons.

Reasons would be using those injuries to justify being 2-2 or even 1-3, not quite firing on all cylinders because of those absences but still somewhere in the game.

Excuses is using those injuries to justify being 0-4 including getting beaten by 64 points against a team that is bottom third of the competition, getting beaten by the freaking Crows after being 4 goals up in the last quarter and not kicking a goal until 22 minutes into the third quarter against Melbourne.

 

[JimmyBC]

Apparently in BigFooty fantasy land, injuries to 2020 All Australian selected key forward and three time leading goal kicker for the club, and a 2021 All Australian selected key defender are listed as 'excuses', not reasons.

Are you ever gonna wake up?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Apparently in BigFooty fantasy land, injuries to 2020 All Australian selected key forward and three time leading goal kicker for the club, and a 2021 All Australian selected key defender are listed as 'excuses', not reasons.

Do you think that both the following statements are true:

a) We had a team ready to win a flag in 2022

b) The sides that took on Hawthorn and Adelaide were worse than Hawthorn and Adelaide's sides on those days and a loss was a reasonable outcome.

If either of those statements is false, surely a 10 year coach without a GF appearance has to go.

Either the difference between premiership level football and embarassing losses to utter trash teams is 2 players, or Hinkley should have been sacked already.

 

[Duck Farmer]

It's the "we haven't got away to the start we expected" that grinds my gears

Maybe if some f*cker had spent the off-season trying to work out why we got our pants pulled down in a home PF instead of entering a witness protection program it wouldn't have been so unexpected.

 

[PA88]

Club propaganda has polluted the minds of the players. It allows players to talk the loser talk as well. ie Jonas, Burton, Charlie.

This club is in idleness from top to bottom.

 

[RossFC]

Apparently in BigFooty fantasy land, injuries to 2020 All Australian selected key forward and three time leading goal kicker for the club, and a 2021 All Australian selected key defender are listed as 'excuses', not reasons.

West Coast are above us and they've played WAFL players in their squad.

 

[Janus]

Do you think that both the following statements are true:

a) We had a team ready to win a flag in 2022

b) The sides that took on Hawthorn and Adelaide were worse than Hawthorn and Adelaide's sides on those days and a loss was a reasonable outcome.

If either of those statements is false, surely a 10 year coach without a GF appearance has to go.

Either the difference between premiership level football and embarassing losses to utter trash teams is 2 players, or Hinkley should have been sacked already.

I’m not going to defend the Hawthorn loss. That was utter trash. A completely insipid defensive effort.

But the Adelaide loss was a product of the exploitation of not having an experienced player to lead the forward line + not having a recognised interceptor that would force Adelaide into a more indirect style of play. You often tell me that our system is bomb it long to Dixon and he either marks the ball or brings it to ground for our smalls. Yet against Adelaide, Marshall kicked 5 goals, Mayes kicked 2.3, Georgiades kicked 2.1 and Motlop, Lycett, Drew and Frederick kicked a goal a piece. We completely dominated the number of scoring shots against them. It was only in the last quarter that Nicks directly exploited the lack of both experience and contested marking ability in the forward line by ramping up the pressure around the ball carrier and forcing our players to kick long. Marshall and Georgiades needed to understand what was happening and play in front of their man. In previous years when Dixon was missing, we had experienced players like Westhoff who knew what was required to make it work.

A premiership team has multiple avenues to goal. Losing Dixon removes one of those avenues and puts pressure on the others to produce while at the same time moving the opposition defenders into completely different positions to counter it more effectively thanks to Charlie not being there. The equivalent of a two goal swing - but probably worth 3-4 goals. If you’re objective you’ll accept this.

Let’s put it this way. Do you believe that if Tredrea and Chad Cornes had been out for the season instead of Primus and Francou, we win the flag? Cause I don’t.