Roast Club Propaganda & Media Censoring

[Macca19]

Let’s substitute the Washington Post for BigFooty and Woodward & Bernstein for the BF posters who recognise the issue.

It’s the social duty of the abovementioned BF posters to inform as many as possible of the 99.9% of Port supporters who don’t know, just like it was W & B’s professional duty to inform their readers who didn’t realise Nixon was such a mobster.

Yes, I’m comparing an ant with an elephant. But said ant and said elephant live in the same world at the same time and the rules of nature apply equally.

You are starting to sound to me like someone blinded by or trying to protect a conflict of interest. But you wouldn’t be the first. We have such people on our board of directors.

Not at all. I have nothing to do with him. I just dont see it as an issue worth the anger. Especially when both will probably be gone in a couple months anyway

 

[Macca19]

1. I don't agree with the 99%, way out in the cynicism of the day in all walks of life.

2. I'm wondering how much stats you know. One can absolutely affect decisions with your analysis of data. Study, uni qualifications and experience are essential, maths and stats, programming in particular. It really is not a mickey mouse job.

Perhaps Jordan does have these quals.

I think you are overrating what his job actually is. Saying in the second quarter “Nathan, the opposition have rebounded the last 5 inside 50’s” does not require uni, degrees in quantitative analysis etc.

Knowing people who have worked similar roles at other clubs, some with afl premierships, they don’t have degrees either.

If he was the[/] analyst, i’d be mad. Hes one of a group.

 

[dav3]

So your saying that the number of suitably qualified applicants for the position would have been enormous.

Sure, I mean the list probably wouldn't include a bunch of the melters in here, but yeah I imagone plenty of people could do it........... unless their surname is Hinkley

 

[Tibbs]

How do I come to this conclusion? A mix of 1) commonsense, 2) inside info and 3) personal Club experience.

The chairman’s daughter, Sam, was living in HK when the China venture started. We worked together on events, starting with the first PAFC International Business Luncheon at the HK Football Club in May 2014. I got on well with Sam, who thankfully took after her mother more than her father, yet I was always mindful she was the chairman’s daughter.

When the so-called PAFC China Advisory Group was set up in HK after Andrew Hunter was recruited in 2015, Sam was appointed as a member and rightly so. I was nominally a member, too, though I made it clear I preferred to act on my own as a strategist, the group being more of a working unit than advisory in my opinion.

KT passed through HK on his way to Shanghai regularly. One night he stayed over and invited the CAG to dinner in SoHo (south of Hollywood Road). I declined to attend, knowing that after a beer or three I’d be speaking my mind to KT and therein would lie the risk of something I honestly put to the CEO being relayed by Sam back to her father. In fact I thought KT would be staying to the following afternoon and I’d be able to talk in private with him in the morning. But his flight to Shanghai was brought forward to early morning and I missed the chance for another one-on-one with him, all because of wariness in the presence of the chairman’s daughter.

It’s human nature for the line coaches and support staff to be equally wary within earshot of the senior coach’s son and hold back on their honest advice and opinions. Perhaps Schoey was the exception and where is he now?

As for me, I eventually got sacked by the chairman for expressing my views via means other than his daughter.

Just caught up with this thread ... Interesting indeed. My point of view ...

I see your point of view LR, and I agree ... in principle. However the two situations are very different. Hinkley jnr is not in the inner sanctum as was Koche's daughter in the CAG, having dinner with the CEO and privvy to the types of conversation you mention. His is a very jnr position, and I just dont see the type of scenario you mentioned applying to him.

Trying to look at all sides with what we know of the situation and role, I think it is a storm in a teacup. If this was Darren Cahill being brought in by his father John when he was coach, and being paid by his father, not a negative word would have been uttered, John would have been lauded for his sacrifice to help the club, and Port supporters would have been thrilled to have another Cahill in the fold. I am 100% convinced of this. The main reason we are all up in arms, is because of Hinkley. He has become a hated figure here, and the anger is fuelled by these feelings.

I really dont care about jnr, as long as he does his job, and does it well. As for Hinkley, his time is up. Surely this spell that he has woven over the media et al, has to break at some point.

 

[Steve Dore]

Just caught up with this thread ... Interesting indeed. My point of view ...

I see your point of view LR, and I agree ... in principle. However the two situations are very different. Hinkley jnr is not in the inner sanctum as was Koche's daughter in the CAG, having dinner with the CEO and privvy to the types of conversation you mention. His is a very jnr position, and I just dont see the type of scenario you mentioned applying to him.

Trying to look at all sides with what we know of the situation and role, I think it is a storm in a teacup. If this was Darren Cahill being brought in by his father John when he was coach, and being paid by his father, not a negative word would have been uttered, John would have been lauded for his sacrifice to help the club, and Port supporters would have been thrilled to have another Cahill in the fold. I am 100% convinced of this. The main reason we are all up in arms, is because of Hinkley. He has become a hated figure here, and the anger is fuelled by these feelings.

I really dont care about jnr, as long as he does his job, and does it well. As for Hinkley, his time is up. Surely this spell that he has woven over the media et al, has to break at some point.

Not sure comparing professional tennis player and coach Darren Cahill with high school graduate Jordan Hinkley actually supports your argument.

 

[Tibbs]

Not sure comparing professional tennis player and coach Darren Cahill with high school graduate Jordan Hinkley actually supports your argument.

I was referencing the names, not their CV's. However, seeing that you raised it ... I actually think it does - even more so! In reality, the Cahill scenario would be much worse IMO, because with the CV you mention, Cahill jnr would have had a much more senior role, which would have made the perceived nepotism a darnside more dangerous!

Despite that, IMO he still would have been welcomed with open arms by the Port faithful.

 

[GoPorts]

Not sure comparing professional tennis player and coach Darren Cahill with high school graduate Jordan Hinkley actually supports your argument.

Probably also give more leeway to the 10 time premiership coach

 

[robbo1981]

To he AFL is definitely a who you know kind of operation.

 

[Alberton Proud]

If a CEO's kid is an intern at the same company, the middle managers still have to pay some deference to the kid.

It's also an awful look, particularly during a time of pandemic-related cuts.

Absolutely

On face value as Macca19 says it's really a minor issue

BUT

The optics are terrible and the potential to unbalance culture should not be ignored

 

[Steve Dore]

.. with the CV you mention, Cahill jnr would have had a much more senior role, which would have made the perceived nepotism a darnside more dangerous!
...

Have some straws.

 

[dav3]

Probably also give more leeway to the 10 time premiership coach

So if a 10 time premiership coach had some deadshit kid who scores low-level role at a club that's fine, but a zero premiership coach has a kid who scored the same role that's an outrage and triggers people on the internet?

You idiots are just looking for anything Hinkley-related to be outraged about. I'm not defending his overall performance to date, but there's a lot of you who really aren't equipped for the mental gymnastics you're attempting to use to justify your position that Hinkley is the devil and the sole reason the club hasn't achieved success lately.

 

[Steve Dore]

So if a 10 time premiership coach had some deadshit kid who scores low-level role at a club that's fine, but a zero premiership coach has a kid who scored the same role that's an outrage and triggers people on the internet?

You idiots are just looking for anything Hinkley-related to be outraged about. I'm not defending his overall performance to date, but there's a lot of you who really aren't equipped for the mental gymnastics you're attempting to use to justify your position that Hinkley is the devil and the sole reason the club hasn't achieved success lately.

It's you that is trying to justify nepotism using hypotheticals.

Pure nepotism is not a good look regardless of who is the beneficiary.

 

[GremioPower]

Cesare Maldini coached Italy and would call his son, Paolo, up every single time. Anyone accusing him of nepotism is either an idiot, a jerk, or both. Paolo Maldini is one of the best players in Italy’s soccer history.

Brazil’s volleyball side had a similar story. Again, no issue.

Unless we are overpaying someone because he’s a relative of an important guy inside the club, there’s no nepotism. Period.

 

[Jojay]

Cesare Maldini coached Italy and would call his son, Paolo, up every single time. Anyone accusing him of nepotism is either an idiot, a jerk, or both. Paolo Maldini is one of the best players in Italy’s soccer history.

Brazil’s volleyball side had a similar story. Again, no issue.

Unless we are overpaying someone because he’s a relative of an important guy inside the club, there’s no nepotism. Period.

Wait, what? You're comparing Paulo Maldini with Jordan Hinkley?

I don't care either way. I think it's a non-issue for the most part, but that's a big stretch!

 

[manureid]

Jordan Hinkley = Paolo Maldini is the best one yet. Kudos.

 

[Harlott]

Lindsay Gaze retired from coaching the same time as Andrew retired.
Andrew Gaze = Jordan Hinkley

 

[GoPorts]

So if a 10 time premiership coach had some deadshit kid who scores low-level role at a club that's fine, but a zero premiership coach has a kid who scored the same role that's an outrage and triggers people on the internet?

You idiots are just looking for anything Hinkley-related to be outraged about. I'm not defending his overall performance to date, but there's a lot of you who really aren't equipped for the mental gymnastics you're attempting to use to justify your position that Hinkley is the devil and the sole reason the club hasn't achieved success lately.

Nepotism is bad. I get it. It happens everywhere and I'm not going to stop it and aren't going to try.
My issue is the hiring of the Hinkley family is more about benefiting/ keeping ken happy as it is a benefit to the rest of them.
I'm upset with the club for continuing to cup the balls of this no hoper as he drifts past the milestone of longest unsuccessful coach in the AFL this week with his dumb smirk and coke zero dribbling down his chin

 

[Tibbs]

Jordan Hinkley = Paolo Maldini is the best one yet. Kudos.

The only person who compared them is you! Its got NOTHING to do with their abilities, its all got to do with who is their father.

So according to some here, no one should have a position at the same club if their father was coaching ... Supposedly the "optics"

As mentioned, would not even be mentioned if this wasnt Hinkley and Son

 

[Andre]

Just caught up with this thread ... Interesting indeed. My point of view ...

I see your point of view LR, and I agree ... in principle. However the two situations are very different. Hinkley jnr is not in the inner sanctum as was Koche's daughter in the CAG, having dinner with the CEO and privvy to the types of conversation you mention. His is a very jnr position, and I just dont see the type of scenario you mentioned applying to him.

Trying to look at all sides with what we know of the situation and role, I think it is a storm in a teacup. If this was Darren Cahill being brought in by his father John when he was coach, and being paid by his father, not a negative word would have been uttered, John would have been lauded for his sacrifice to help the club, and Port supporters would have been thrilled to have another Cahill in the fold. I am 100% convinced of this. The main reason we are all up in arms, is because of Hinkley. He has become a hated figure here, and the anger is fuelled by these feelings.

I really dont care about jnr, as long as he does his job, and does it well. As for Hinkley, his time is up. Surely this spell that he has woven over the media et al, has to break at some point.

The Cahill one is a good example, but not for your reasons. We have Cahill on our board and he's John's son. However given his background in coaching we'd be happy to have him on the board if his name was Darren Jones. Sure it'd lack the romance of Jack's son, but his credentials are impeccable, there isn't a more qualified internationally recognised coach of elite level athletes, that have to perform under more scrutiny and pressure than any AFL player we could have gotten in his place. Jordan Hinkley meanwhile ....

 

[GremioPower]

Wait, what? You're comparing Paulo Maldini with Jordan Hinkley?

I don't care either way. I think it's a non-issue for the most part, but that's a big stretch!

No, I’m not. I’m arguing against the assumption that “relative = nepotism”.

Someone could be the waterboy. Unless he’s unqualified and/or has been overpaid because of family ties, then it’s nepotism. Otherwise, it’s not.

We don’t have the info to know it is. It may be. It’s worth checking. But one cannot assume that to be the case.

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[GremioPower]

Jordan Hinkley = Paolo Maldini is the best one yet. Kudos.

With all due respect (which you didn’t give me), vaffanculo.

Learn to read before posting nonsense. Good night.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Nepotism is bad.

Look at the trouble the Queen got into giving Prince Andrew a job.

 

[NoddyHolder]

Look at the trouble the Queen got into giving Prince Andrew a job.

i heard the queen only got her job in first place because of who her dad was

 

[manureid]

With all due respect (which you didn’t give me), vaffanculo.

Learn to read before posting nonsense. Good night.

I will let this one pass through to the keeper because you are our local Brazilian celebrity.

 

[BrockBlitz]

Stephen Belichick is the outside linebackers coach for the New England Patriots, coached by his father the GOAT head coach Bill Belichick. Stephen has worked his way up since beginning in 2012.

Nepotism isn't bad unless the person who gets their foot in the door is sub par after walking through said door.
No problems with this whatsoever so long his job henceforth is tied to his competency.