Can't imagine Ratts would hang around
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Can't imagine Ratts would hang around
Unless we get off to a flier and are well into the positives for win/loss, I don't see a need to rush into a reappointment. If we don't make finals, we'd be negligent to not have a crack at Clarko. Don't reckon Ratten would be interested in staying if he got replaced though.
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I’ve posted an article from the Age in the media thread on the possible future options if Clarkson decides he wants to coach in 2023.
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Ratten is okay, he's done some things I don't think were good for the team, but he's not worth sacking today. But next year? If Clarko is available we would be stupid not go with Clarko.
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Would depend on how we go next year.
If we have another start like he did this year, then go all out for Clarkson.
If we have a good year, play finals and are generally performing well then I would stick with Ratts. No need to cause disruption and change a football department that is functioning and cohesive.
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I generally agree, but not in this case. Clarko has proven he is a step above.
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Yeah we should at least throw an offer his way. But we'll just have to wait and see what his headspace is like in 12 months time. We don't want another Blight outcome...
I would take Clarko every day of the week.
More so, is their a pseudo promotion that could keep Ratten (and the playing group) around the club and happy? Sounds like there isn't though
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More so, is their a pseudo promotion that could keep Ratten (and the playing group) around the club and happy? Sounds like there isn't though
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Not that simple though, is it? I assume we think Ratts is a decent coach but Clarko's better. But having a crack at Clarko means we definitely lose Ratts, and we're pretty unlikely to convince Clarko (surely he'll be at GC if anywhere) so then we have to find ourselves a new coach and we're competing with the other 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 clubs who also missed out on Clarko.
So imo most likely "having a crack at Clarko" just means grabbing some random coach who needs a job. Maybe Ross Lyon or Voss or Brad Scott or whoever do a better job than Ratts, no idea, but that's what we have to consider when thinking about Clarko.
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Reckon if Clarko comes back to coaching it will be in some sort of ambassador/club saviour role that is AFL funded (ie. Roos to Melbourne).
Huge money, guaranteed job, handover at the end
2 Options imo
- Gold Coast on a 5 year deal with a potential handover deal to be established after the 5 years. Try and resurrect the team and finally get it on the right track. He is about the only person players would stick around for if Dew was sacked.
- Tasmania on a 7 year deal. 1 year coaching VFL Tassie team (and hand picking his list) and then 6 years with them in AFL. Potential handover program after that.
Huge money, guaranteed job, handover at the end
2 Options imo
- Gold Coast on a 5 year deal with a potential handover deal to be established after the 5 years. Try and resurrect the team and finally get it on the right track. He is about the only person players would stick around for if Dew was sacked.
- Tasmania on a 7 year deal. 1 year coaching VFL Tassie team (and hand picking his list) and then 6 years with them in AFL. Potential handover program after that.
Just thinking about it, if the guy's sensible then he'll retire from coaching with his legacy intact. Otherwise he runs the risk of failing at a second club and then being seen as more lucky than good.
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Probably comes down to what else he and his family have going on in life.
Football has been his life for a bloody long time
Yeah that's fair, although I don't necessarily think the equation is as clear cut as Ratten walking as soon as we register interest in Clarkson. Ratten has already gone on record saying clubs will be looking at Clarkson. There's a chance he thinks that asking the question of the best coach of the last two decades is a reasonable thing to do, and is happy to negotiate terms for another deal. Ratten would be out of contract so it's not really stabbing him in the back.
If the club approaches Clarkson and he turns it down, is it a guarantee that Ratten is offended and walks? I'm not sure. His choices would be:
a) walk away and either be an assistant somewhere/stop coaching entirely.
b) sign a new contract with the Saints to remain a senior coach.
Maybe emotion does override and the whole thing is impractical, but I don't see why Ratten gains from just walking as soon as we put a feeler out to Clarkson.
In terms of the likelihood of Clarkson choosing Saints, I think we're as good a chance as anyone, perhaps Gold Coast aside. Wouldn't have to move states like he would to coach Crows/Port/Suns/GWS. Geelong's list is a complete mess so I'd be surprised if he was keen on them. We are in a reasonable list position and live round the corner for him. Much more cash in it at the Suns though I guess.
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given the failures of the GC and the success of GWS
i think your Tasmanian point is absolutely spot on. explains why he didnt jump to carlton or GC this year.
Yeah logically that makes sense, not sure logic plays much in these things though! Not sure I'd be comfortable in that situation as Ratts tbh, would feel a bit like my wife was playing around with another man then planning on coming back to me if it didn't work out.
Yeah you're probably right. I'm trying to think of a precedent, but this is a pretty unique situation. Preeminent coach of the modern era without club/contract and likely to be open to offers. At 53, he should be in his prime, and he doesn't seem to have any signs of burn out. Doesn't feel like a Blight situation where he's not actually interested.
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Has a bit to do with him playing cricket at Moorabbin, an outstanding person with a proven track record in the development space.We have brought in Damian Carroll from Collingwood/Hawthorn as our new head of development!
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Collingwood only just got him at the end of last year imagine they'll be filthy.We have brought in Damian Carroll from Collingwood/Hawthorn as our new head of development!
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Dont know anything about him, but Bob Murphy gave him a good wrap on twitter.We have brought in Damian Carroll from Collingwood/Hawthorn as our new head of development!
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