Coach Coaching 2022

[saintsrfreak]

What's our take on Hawthorn's development from 2010 - 2020, while Carroll was there? Seems like the players they developed during that time are pretty lacklustre, to be honest.

Hard to tell how much of that is on the players and how much is on development staff and coaches, though. They had lots of crap draft picks as well, so is a bit difficult to get a read on.

 

[Bill Mohr]

What's our take on Hawthorn's development from 2010 - 2020, while Carroll was there? Seems like the players they developed during that time are pretty lacklustre, to be honest.

Hard to tell how much of that is on the players and how much is on development staff and coaches, though. They had lots of crap draft picks as well, so is a bit difficult to get a read on.

What lethlean said:

Damian's had a long and successful career in developing footballers and we know that his experience with premiership sides will also be a great advantage for the club.

Maybe we can disect some of the players that he developed at the Hawks in that period.

 

[Sunshine Sainter]

Why would Ratts be filling a team of people that are setting him up to be deposed?

The secret to any manager / boss / leader is surround yourself with great people. And if possible those who are experts in their area. This not only ensures great team or group performance, but by doing this it can make or carry a leader who may not have great overall skills or expertise.

The building of first our club management, then coaching, now player support and development skills are all big pluses for the club. Some of these off field recruitments can be as important as any player trade or draft choice we make. All looking very positive.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

What's our take on Hawthorn's development from 2010 - 2020, while Carroll was there? Seems like the players they developed during that time are pretty lacklustre, to be honest.

Hard to tell how much of that is on the players and how much is on development staff and coaches, though. They had lots of crap draft picks as well, so is a bit difficult to get a read on.

To me they were always seemingly able to find something from crappy picks. Even that year (was it 2017?) when they were able to finish top 4, even though the quality of their older guys would have been a big reason. As you say, hard to know if it’s because of the quality of their senior players. They had very little pick wise for a long period.

 

[bergholt]

Maybe we can disect some of the players that he developed at the Hawks in that period.

OK, so I presume he had a hand in the development of guys drafted before he started, here's the list:

2008
16: Schoenmakers
34: Shiels
50: Lisle
63: Lowden
75: Savage
R16: Milne
R32: Kiel (mature)
R47: Breust
R61: Peterson (mature)
R85: Sierakowski

2009
39: Grimley
46: Stratton
57: Williams
58: Hooper (mature)
69: Duryea
R42: Johnston

2010
trade: Cheney (mature)
19: I Smith (mature)
38: Hallahan
55: Litherland
66: Puopolo (mature)
R19: Menegola
R18: Schneider
R52: Wanganeen
R85: W Langford
R87: Mahony

2011
trade: Gunston
33: Hill
38: Kelly
53: Woodward
R16: McCauley (mature)
R34: Frank
R52: Boseley

2012
trade: Jed Anderson
28: O'Brien
66: Brand
R15: Ceglar (mature)
R28: Kilkenny

2013
24: Hartung
38: Garlett
56: Sicily
R17: Willsmore
R48: Webster
R57: Ross (mature)
R61: Heatherley
R65: Tatupu

2014
trade: O'Rourke
31: Howe
49: Miles
50: Pittonet
R18: Hardisty
R36: Miller-Lewis
R53: L Langford

2015
19: Burton
22: Lovell
44: Hardwick
R18: Surman
R36: Stewart
R62: Glass

2016
trade: Mitchell (mature)
trade: O'Meara (mature)
free: Nash
74: Morrison
76: Lewis
R14: Hanrahan
R46: Cousins

2017
free: Jiath
45: Worpel
67: Moore
71: Ross
R7: Jones
R23: Mirra

2018
trade: Scrimshaw (mature)
52: Koschitzke
63: Walker
R14: Greaves
R30: Golds
SSP: Reeves

2019
NGA: Pepper
13: Day
29: Maginness
57: Morris
R9: Jeka

 

[bergholt]

OK, so I presume he had a hand in the development of guys drafted before he started, here's the list:

2008
16: Schoenmakers
34: Shiels
50: Lisle
63: Lowden
75: Savage
R16: Milne
R32: Kiel (mature)
R47: Breust
R61: Peterson (mature)
R85: Sierakowski

2009
39: Grimley
46: Stratton
57: Williams
58: Hooper (mature)
69: Duryea
R42: Johnston

2010
trade: Cheney (mature)
19: I Smith (mature)
38: Hallahan
55: Litherland
66: Puopolo (mature)
R19: Menegola
R18: Schneider
R52: Wanganeen
R85: W Langford
R87: Mahony

2011
trade: Gunston
33: Hill
38: Kelly
53: Woodward
R16: McCauley (mature)
R34: Frank
R52: Boseley

2012
trade: Jed Anderson
28: O'Brien
66: Brand
R15: Ceglar (mature)
R28: Kilkenny

2013
24: Hartung
38: Garlett
56: Sicily
R17: Willsmore
R48: Webster
R57: Ross (mature)
R61: Heatherley
R65: Tatupu

2014
trade: O'Rourke
31: Howe
49: Miles
50: Pittonet
R18: Hardisty
R36: Miller-Lewis
R53: L Langford

2015
19: Burton
22: Lovell
44: Hardwick
R18: Surman
R36: Stewart
R62: Glass

2016
trade: Mitchell (mature)
trade: O'Meara (mature)
free: Nash
74: Morrison
76: Lewis
R14: Hanrahan
R46: Cousins

2017
free: Jiath
45: Worpel
67: Moore
71: Ross
R7: Jones
R23: Mirra

2018
trade: Scrimshaw (mature)
52: Koschitzke
63: Walker
R14: Greaves
R30: Golds
SSP: Reeves

2019
NGA: Pepper
13: Day
29: Maginness
57: Morris
R9: Jeka

First thing I note about that is there are very few good picks. But also heaps of guys there who didn't work out, not sure what conclusion about his development abilities to draw from that.

 

[Sippa]

OK, so I presume he had a hand in the development of guys drafted before he started, here's the list:

2008
16: Schoenmakers
34: Shiels
50: Lisle
63: Lowden
75: Savage
R16: Milne
R32: Kiel (mature)
R47: Breust
R61: Peterson (mature)
R85: Sierakowski

2009
39: Grimley
46: Stratton
57: Williams
58: Hooper (mature)
69: Duryea
R42: Johnston

2010
trade: Cheney (mature)
19: I Smith (mature)
38: Hallahan
55: Litherland
66: Puopolo (mature)
R19: Menegola
R18: Schneider
R52: Wanganeen
R85: W Langford
R87: Mahony

2011
trade: Gunston
33: Hill
38: Kelly
53: Woodward
R16: McCauley (mature)
R34: Frank
R52: Boseley

2012
trade: Jed Anderson
28: O'Brien
66: Brand
R15: Ceglar (mature)
R28: Kilkenny

2013
24: Hartung
38: Garlett
56: Sicily
R17: Willsmore
R48: Webster
R57: Ross (mature)
R61: Heatherley
R65: Tatupu

2014
trade: O'Rourke
31: Howe
49: Miles
50: Pittonet
R18: Hardisty
R36: Miller-Lewis
R53: L Langford

2015
19: Burton
22: Lovell
44: Hardwick
R18: Surman
R36: Stewart
R62: Glass

2016
trade: Mitchell (mature)
trade: O'Meara (mature)
free: Nash
74: Morrison
76: Lewis
R14: Hanrahan
R46: Cousins

2017
free: Jiath
45: Worpel
67: Moore
71: Ross
R7: Jones
R23: Mirra

2018
trade: Scrimshaw (mature)
52: Koschitzke
63: Walker
R14: Greaves
R30: Golds
SSP: Reeves

2019
NGA: Pepper
13: Day
29: Maginness
57: Morris
R9: Jeka

There’s a ton of shit in that list I’d look at the recruiter rather than the development coach

 

[bird_man]

First thing I note about that is there are very few good picks. But also heaps of guys there who didn't work out, not sure what conclusion about his development abilities to draw from that.

There are no high picks at all through that period which makes it hard but they did a very good job developing guys like Smith, Shiels, Gunston, Hill, Pop through a successful period.

Its impossible to say why others that didn't make it was down to development or drafting or both but I think he seems to have a very strong CV coming in.

 

[bird_man]

Its also worth mentioning that whilst the Hawks did win a flag in 08 It was with a very young side

 

[Bill Mohr]

First thing I note about that is there are very few good picks. But also heaps of guys there who didn't work out, not sure what conclusion about his development abilities to draw from that.

Yes, probably right. Hard to determine that aspect of his task. We have had Skrob and danny Sexton( 2-4 yrs as Development coach) at the saints but that was a while ago and cant measure their results. I suppose if you have been at Hawthorn during their halcyon years then that will get you a free beer for the rest of your life. No 52 on that list, was that Gavin Wanganeen? A mature age recruit maybe!!!!

 

[Bill Mohr]

To me they were always seemingly able to find something from crappy picks. Even that year (was it 2017?) when they were able to finish top 4, even though the quality of their older guys would have been a big reason. As you say, hard to know if it’s because of the quality of their senior players. They had very little pick wise for a long period.

They could make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Guerra is one example and Joel Smith

 

[PandaG]

Ok I'll bite...

Who's Bob?

Sorry
Rob Murphy, someone mentioned rob m had spoken highly of him on the radio just above my post.

 

[Remboy]

There’s a ton of sh*t in that list I’d look at the recruiter rather than the development coach

Yep, and people say our drafting has been poor.

 

[St Neil]

All these recent appointments over the last 2 years that are from Clarkson's era at the Hawks. Looks like we are building the team to fit him in as the centrepiece come 2023.

My thoughts exactly George.

Go back to his after match presser this year when we cleaned up the Hawks. Someone more technologically savvy than me will be able to link it. My ears pricked up when I heard him talking about us.

His praise for us was much more than an opposition coach would normally give. He rated our list big time. I thought it was odd at the time and said so. Quite rightly, people suggested that I was reading more into it than there was.

I’m not so sure now. I’ve got a hunch we are the smoky to land him.

 

[St Neil]

They could make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Guerra is one example and Joel Smith

Josh Gibson.

 

[Bill Mohr]

My thoughts exactly George.

Go back to his after match presser this year when we cleaned up the Hawks. Someone more technologically savvy than me will be able to link it. My ears pricked up when I heard him talking about us.

His praise for us was much more than an opposition coach would normally give. He rated our list big time. I thought it was odd at the time and said so. Quite rightly, people suggested that I was reading more into it than there was.

I’m not so sure now. I’ve got a hunch we are the smoky to land him.

Sounds a bit nobby and far fetched to me. Not aware of any club doing that. Already have 5 hawk people at the club and because of that Clarkson might head our way!!!!! So therefore we replicate the hawks. Richmond have been the powerhouse the last 5 years. Had a shedful of injuries this year, more than the saints. They have 4 good picks in this draft so will be back in the 8 before you can say Jack Lonie. Do we have any of their key people? Hawks have been in the finals once in the past 5 years and unlikely to make it in the next 2 with the team they have.
Is this Lethleans idea of how to become a powerhouse club?

 

[bird_man]

I highly doubt we are trying to build a team that will suit Clarko I'm 12 months time.

Much more likely we are just trying to build a quality team that we hope will see our current coach succeed.

 

[Bill Mohr]

I highly doubt we are trying to build a team that will suit Clarko I'm 12 months time.

Much more likely we are just trying to build a quality team that we hope will see our current coach succeed.

I mentioned something along these lines last week. Clarko has bigger fish to fry

Four-time premiership coach Alastair Clarkson says he would be interested in a coaching role with a Tasmanian expansion team.

With the Carter report having found the state deserves to host a side in the national competition, the league and club presidents will next year sit down to map out how it can happen.



“It depends where I’m at and what I’m doing at that point in time, but without a doubt (I’d be interested),” Clarkson told SEN’s Jack and Painey on Friday morning.

“Because it is six years away, who knows what we’re going to be doing at that point in time?

“But certainly, from this far out, if I’m unemployed like I am now, I’ll be putting my hand up big time to get involved in such an exciting venture.”

 

[lewdogs]

Tony66 says all our coaching spots are filled.

 

[bird_man]

Tony66 says all our coaching spots are filled.

That would mean McGlynn must be taking over one of the lines if true as we haven't replaced Scrobolak (midfield)

 

[Saint_Dos]

That would mean McGlynn must be taking over one of the lines if true as we haven't replaced Scrobolak (midfield)

I wondered whether Roughy was stepping up to a line? Fwds probably given the work he does with Max,

 

[bird_man]

I wondered whether Roughy was stepping up to a line? Fwds probably given the work he does with Max,

I'm not sure he wants to be a coach though

 

[Saint_Dos]

I'm not sure he wants to be a coach though

No dont think he does. But he may have those duties along with the other stuff he does.
He seems to be there on game day, at all the training and in meetings with lines on game day so maybe he is just doing it anyway?

 

[bird_man]

No dont think he does. But he may have those duties along with the other stuff he does.
He seems to be there on game day, at all the training and in meetings with lines on game day so maybe he is just doing it anyway?

Might be too big of a work load if he wants to do his other roles though

 

[Imtellingya]

Might be too big of a work load if he wants to do his other roles though

Maybe Geary will take some of the coaching workload and be a back up player