Coll v Ess v Carl who has the best kids 21 years and under?

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And who is Cloke turning into....?

See one Chris Tarrant. Do the comparison!

Yeah because raw stats along tell the full story.

I mean, look, here's the proof:

Patrick Ryder Name Jason Laycock
Essendon Bombers Team Essendon Bombers
Defender Position Ruck
50 Career Games 58
East Fremantle Origin Tasmania Under 18s
March 14, 1988 Date of Birth November 4, 1984
20yr 5mth Age 23yr 9mth
197cm Height 201cm
90kg Weight 105kg
20 2008 Games 16
5.5 Kicks Per Game 4.7
5.0 Handballs Per Game 3.8
10.4 Disposals Per Game 8.5
4.2 Marks Per Game 2.8
0.2 Goals Per Game 0.9
0.1 Behinds Per Game 0.6
2.1 Tackles Per Game 1.4
2.0 Hitouts Per Game 9.6
0.6 Inside 50s Per Game 1.0
0.2 Goal Assists Per Game 0.2
0.4 Goals Contributed Per Game 1.1
0.8 Frees For Per Game 0.9
0.9 Frees Against Per Game 0.7
$190,500 Dream Team Salary $173,900
48.8 Dream Team Score Per Game 50.1
$360,100 Supercoach Salary $249,700
65.6 Supercoach Score Per Game 54.3​

Laycock actually beats him in a few areas. Ryder must be the second coming of big Jas.

Or what about comparing Ryder and Kepler Bradley? Keps destroys him in everything...
Not looking good for Paddy at this stage going off your formula for success
 
Why 21?
In the last 3 seasons, only Brisbane & Port Adelaide have produced more RS nominations than Collingwood. 2 Collingwood players have finished R/U in this award.
Barring a major slip up, Collingwood's youngsters will play in their 3rd Straight finals series, on the back of a Top 4 finish in 07.
Carlton & Essendon on the other hand have had less nominations & haven't played in 1 finals series between them.

Dale Thomas, Scott Pendlebury & Travis Cloke are all 21 or younger and are 3 potential A Graders. All 3 were rated in the top 50 players in the AFL by Sheehan.

Collingwood easily.


You made your biggest mistake right there
 

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Nathan Brown is scary good considering this is his debut season. Will be an absolute gun full back. Paddy Ryder is good but over rated by Bomber supporters. I'd prefer Nathan Brown over Ryder. I guess it doesn't matter because we already have him anyway.

I hope both Essendon and Collingwood keep these guys, only 4 games all season Fevola is guaranteed to kick a bag of at least 7-8.
 
I hope both Essendon and Collingwood keep these guys, only 4 games all season Fevola is guaranteed to kick a bag of at least 7-8.

Fevola in his second season wouldn't have kicked many bags becasue he was a kid. He was learning the ropes of AFL. Brown, to the contrary actually doesn't often get bags kicked on him in his debut season. And the fact that he is so young means he will get better. I could see this guy towelling Fevola for the remainder of his career.
 
Yeah because raw stats along tell the full story.

I mean, look, here's the proof:

Patrick Ryder Name Jason Laycock
Essendon Bombers Team Essendon Bombers
Defender Position Ruck
50 Career Games 58
East Fremantle Origin Tasmania Under 18s
March 14, 1988 Date of Birth November 4, 1984
20yr 5mth Age 23yr 9mth
197cm Height 201cm
90kg Weight 105kg
20 2008 Games 16
5.5 Kicks Per Game 4.7
5.0 Handballs Per Game 3.8
10.4 Disposals Per Game 8.5
4.2 Marks Per Game 2.8
0.2 Goals Per Game 0.9
0.1 Behinds Per Game 0.6
2.1 Tackles Per Game 1.4
2.0 Hitouts Per Game 9.6
0.6 Inside 50s Per Game 1.0
0.2 Goal Assists Per Game 0.2
0.4 Goals Contributed Per Game 1.1
0.8 Frees For Per Game 0.9
0.9 Frees Against Per Game 0.7
$190,500 Dream Team Salary $173,900
48.8 Dream Team Score Per Game 50.1
$360,100 Supercoach Salary $249,700
65.6 Supercoach Score Per Game 54.3​

Laycock actually beats him in a few areas. Ryder must be the second coming of big Jas.

Or what about comparing Ryder and Kepler Bradley? Keps destroys him in everything...
Not looking good for Paddy at this stage going off your formula for success

Only fighting fire with fire.

Ryder is Kepler the second?

Cloke is Tarrant the second.

All these arguments are flawed as you pointed out with mine. Only time will tell but the way Cloke gets put in as one of the most exciting young talents is beyond me. As is Ryder beyond some.
 
Only fighting fire with fire.

Ryder is Kepler the second?

Cloke is Tarrant the second.

All these arguments are flawed as you pointed out with mine. Only time will tell but the way Cloke gets put in as one of the most exciting young talents is beyond me. As is Ryder beyond some.

Cloke gets put amongst the exiting young talents for the obvious of reasons. A best and fairest winner. Probably will win it this year too. An outstanding finals series. I can't think of any CHF prospect 21 and under that is better.

If it is beyond your reasoning, than maybe you have NFI.
 
Semantics alert:

21 years and under.

Being 21 years and a couple of months does not make you under 21. Guessing no-one else in here tried to sneak another year in under 12's?

Oh my god, typical carlton supporter.

The thread is titled "21 years AND under" not "UNDER 21"

Are you really that stupid? Your post is probably the stupidest thing i have read on bigfooty.
 
Cloke gets put amongst the exiting young talents for the obvious of reasons. A best and fairest winner. Probably will win it this year too. An outstanding finals series. I can't think of any CHF prospect 21 and under that is better.

If it is beyond your reasoning, than maybe you have NFI.

...or maybe he has done very little this year worthy of noting. You say B&F again this year...? Really?
 
Paddy Ryder V Nathan Brown = no contest, Brown gets Paddy whacked. So that means Brown is well on his way to being the next ?? Ben Reid?? might be difficult for him to get his funky little set shot routine down but hey he can only try.

Agree with that. Brown is solid, but very vanilla and doesnt have an inch of the talent Ryder does have to work with.

Im afraid Brown doesnt offer anything offensively, he isnt creative at all.
 

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Agree with that. Brown is solid, but very vanilla and doesnt have an inch of the talent Ryder does have to work with.

Im afraid Brown doesnt offer anything offensively, he isnt creative at all.

Are you out of your mind? First you claim in another thread that Ben Reid is the biggest dud out of all youngsters in the game. Than you say this.

Not only is Brown far bigger and stronger than Ryder, enabling him to play on the bigger bodied opponents with far better results, (and he will get bigger and stronger too) he also is quite the athlete and has amazing closing spped over 20 metres. On top of that the guy is in his deut season, and we are starting to see him add more strings to his bow. Being creative with dash and run out of defence is developing very nicley into this guys game.

But an inch of the talent of Paddy Ryder? Probably more talented. Not to mention, already a better more reliable defender.

Have you sucked a few bongs this morning because the stuff your coming up with could only be explained by drugs.

FWIW, Obrien and Ryder would be the better comparison. I'd prefer Harry O'Brien.
 
FWIW, Obrien and Ryder would be the better comparison. I'd prefer Harry O'Brien.

Just wondering, any chance you know Ryder's athletic abilities on paper?

Too much bias going on here, its not worth it.

But to use your logic, ill keep Ryder and you keep O'brien and Brown.

Just remember you're not on the collingwood board.
 
Just wondering, any chance you know Ryder's athletic abilities on paper?

Too much bias going on here, its not worth it.

But to use your logic, ill keep Ryder and you keep O'brien and Brown.

Just remember you're not on the collingwood board.

Its unfortunate that Paddywackers isn't the head-recruiting officer at the Pies...then we'd be guaranteed another 50 years of failure at the Pies
 
Just wondering, any chance you know Ryder's athletic abilities on paper?

Too much bias going on here, its not worth it.

But to use your logic, ill keep Ryder and you keep O'brien and Brown.

Just remember you're not on the collingwood board.

Athletic capabilities don't hold as much weight once you're out there playing. Players like Reid and Rusling for us would appear athletically superior to Brown & O'Brien on paper but Brown & O'brien have outperformed them on the field. I still think Ryder has a fair way to go before he becomes a top-shelf defender, he may very well get there though.
 
Its unfortunate that Paddywackers isn't the head-recruiting officer at the Pies...then we'd be guaranteed another 50 years of failure at the Pies

Why? Because I highly rate our kids. Rate them higher than Essendon's? As most footy neutrals have also done in this thread?
 
Athletic capabilities don't hold as much weight once you're out there playing. Players like Reid and Rusling for us would appear athletically superior to Brown & O'Brien on paper but Brown & O'brien have outperformed them on the field. I still think Ryder has a fair way to go before he becomes a top-shelf defender, he may very well get there though.

Come on, this is why its getting ridiculous. Ryder is actually a ruckman not a defender. Because of different factors he has to play in defence. Yet he has improved a lot this year not only in defence but all around the ground taking great marks and setting up attacks. His ground work is excellent for a tall player. He is only a skinny frame still atm, but when he puts a few kilos on forwards will dread everytime they play on him.

Try and put Brown or obrien in the ruck and how do you think they will go? They will find it very very tough, in fact they will be slaughtered whereas when Ryder has pinched hit in the ruck he has more than held his own.

Therefore, we are talking about same positions but different players.
 
Just wondering, any chance you know Ryder's athletic abilities on paper?

Too much bias going on here, its not worth it.

But to use your logic, ill keep Ryder and you keep O'brien and Brown.

Just remember you're not on the collingwood board.

Perhaps you've missed every time Harry has destroyed Lucas? Harry is one of the best, and bloody close to being the best, young defender in the league. His biggest problem is being played out of his weight division, which can make him look terrible. Mick insists on putting him on the likes of Fevola and Franklin. Both are extremely strong and fast, and Harry just isn't equipped to compete with those guys.

But when he's played on appropriate opponents, he very rarely loses a contest, let alone the matchup. In saying that, Ryder is going to be a star, but I have no idea why you would dismiss O'Brien. A brilliant stopper, and a very effective rebounder.

[Note: This isn't solely directed at you, it's at everyone having a go at him.]
 
Perhaps you've missed every time Harry has destroyed Lucas? Harry is one of the best, and bloody close to being the best, young defender in the league. His biggest problem is being played out of his weight division, which can make him look terrible. Mick insists on putting him on the likes of Fevola and Franklin. Both are extremely strong and fast, and Harry just isn't equipped to compete with those guys.

But when he's played on appropriate opponents, he very rarely loses a contest, let alone the matchup. In saying that, Ryder is going to be a star, but I have no idea why you would dismiss O'Brien. A brilliant stopper, and a very effective rebounder.

My friend, i was just following paddywhackers logic.

O'Brien is a very good footballer and enjoy watching play. He is everything you say. Brown is also excellent but i get a little offended when people dismiss Ryder. The kid is a ruckman and is being fast tracked into being a defender. He is skinny as well and the midfield hasn't really helped him. Once these factors are covered in the coming years, he will be a great defender if he hasn't been moved forward by then.
 
My friend, i was just following paddywhackers logic.

O'Brien is a very good footballer and enjoy watching play. He is everything you say. Brown is also excellent but i get a little offended when people dismiss Ryder. The kid is a ruckman and is being fast tracked into being a defender. He is skinny as well and the midfield hasn't really helped him. Once these factors are covered in the coming years, he will be a great defender if he hasn't been moved forward by then.

I never dismissed Ryder JC Coleman. Dave27 first dismissed Brown which has led to some sniping. I can see at least you are reasonable unlike Dave27 (who has made some one eyed claims about Collingwood today) and others.

Ryder should be good for Essendon, but to claim (dave27) that Brown doesn't have an inch of the talent that Ryder has is absolutely farcicle as was his even more rediculous call re Reid. I rightfully responded aggressively as I always will for exiting young Collingwood players getting questioned on this board.

Fair enough of me to point that out. I do believe Essendon supporters over rate Ryder and this needs to be highlighted to people like Dave27 who continuously make rediculous calls. Ryder vs the very underated Harry O'Brien is a better comparison in terms of holding down a position in the back half. Yes Ryder can pinch hit in the ruck but so could Rocca and we still compare him to othe big forwards who couldn't.
 
Please.

I find it quite amusing Pies fans for the last 3 years have been quite happy to sit back and tell us what a spud Bradley is yet when they've got a complete lemon on their hands in Reid they cant handle the truth.

Reid is a cod ordinary footballer much like Toovey. Come back and talk down when they dont look unco and and can line up a shot at goal.
 
Ryder only pinchits in the ruck because we already have two ruckmen and a 3rd who is still developing. Other wise he would be a full time ruckman because thats what he is.

We overate him so to speak because we have a talent that can play any position bar rover on the ground due to his skills on the ground and in the air. Personally i would love to see him at CHF.
 
Please.

I find it quite amusing Pies fans for the last 3 years have been quite happy to sit back and tell us what a spud Bradley is yet when they've got a complete lemon on their hands in Reid they cant handle the truth.

Reid is a cod ordinary footballer much like Toovey. Come back and talk down when they dont look unco and and can line up a shot at goal.

Ben Ried has shown quite a bit in the limited opprtunities he has had. In fact just as much if not more than Gumbleton. His game against Carlton this year was very impressive. Since than has been out injured.

I believe the poor kicking can largely be put down to nerves. He will overcome this there is no doubt. But I guess someone that hates Collingwood so much, must in a period like this would talk down our youngster no matter how deluded that opinion may be as the pies right now have young KPF lining up that have loads of potential. And I believe it scares the shit out of people like you. :)
 

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