Collingwood and Richmond request to play each other twice in 2013

[Black Diamond]

The draw is a farce. There are several ways it could be arranged which would provide some inherent fairness on both a win/loss level and a revenue level. The current model is not one of those ways.

 

[Hawkers]

When is the AFL going to make their fixture based on the previous year's results. For example, the teams that finish 1 - 4 should play each other twice, 5 - 8 should play each other twice and so on.

No- stupid idea.

The draw should be rolling. You play all teams in order and then the return fixture the reverse. So over 34 rounds you play teams home and away once. You then start again.

 

[MightyHawks]

The draw is a farce. There are several ways it could be arranged which would provide some inherent fairness on both a win/loss level and a revenue level. The current model is not one of those ways.

Completely agree.

Example Hawthorn, North, Collingwood, Essendon.

If Collingwood plays Essendon you get 70,000 (Non ANZAC Day)
If North plays Hawthorn at Etihad you get 30,000

If You switch the teams around...
North v Collingwood
Hawthorn v Essendon

North v Essendon
Hawthorn v Collingwood

Will either of those combinations actually draw significantly less than the original combination?

 

[SdKfz 181]

Our games against Richmond have never been huge crowd pullers as there is no rivalry between our clubs.

I don't care where and when we play Richmond. It's a guarenteed 4 points for us anyway.

Probably isnt now, but there was in the past, 1967 grand final for starters.. Old rivalries can allways be kick started again..

 

[Madtiger2006]

Like most clubs, we benefit financially by having home matches against Carlton Collingwood and Essendon.

I think we've played Carlton once every year since 2004, and have only had one Home match against Carlton in those 8 years.



Every team that has joined the competition has put a higher value on which teams you play return matches against.

The AFL claim that it's not perfect and everyone can't play everyone twice - but they don't even try to do this.

In terms of maximising crowds and revenue, the second match between Richmond v Carlton and Richmond v Essendon has been a failure. Sheedy's farewell game and Richmonds 100th year celebration of "Yellow and Bleak" excepted



Why?

Why should Hawthorn miss out on the benefit of playing Richmond twice when you are crap, but then be forced to play you twice if you ever become a force in the competition?

North Melbourne has spent the last 3 years requesting more Friday night matches and "bigger games". The AFL have repeatedly said become good on the field and you'll get it. So they've made the finals... I'm sure they'll get a second Friday night game in 2013!

Hawthorn care more about themselves than their supporters. If they want more big home games then play them all in Melbourne.

 

[Pessimistic]

Hawthorn care more about themselves than their supporters. If they want more big home games then play them all in Melbourne.

Its the ETIHAD bound games which are switched to tassie

 

[Tiger2709]

COLLINGWOOD and Richmond are hoping to rebuild their once-storied rivalry, having requested that the AFL schedule the clubs to play each other twice again next year.

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Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ramp-up-the-rivalry-20120828-24ywl.html#ixzz24tcogivw​

Now on one hand it's not an unreasonable request as the two sides haven't played each other twice since 2007.​

However, considering clubs now only play return matches against 5 of the 17 other sides, which sides you play twice has never been more important, for branding, revenue and most importantly the difficulty of the fixture.​

Note: both Collingwood and Richmond are wanting to play Essendon and Carlton twice as well as each other​

So Collingwood, a team that has played in at least 3 Grand Finals in 2010-2012 wants to play 3 teams outside the top 8 twice. There is no question that Collingwood has had the hardest fixture in 2012, but playing at least 3 return matches against sides outside the 8 seems a little easy.​

Financially, all clubs marketing departments like Home matches against Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon.​

11 out of 17 clubs will get a Home match against the Pies in 2013. So you'd expect about a 2/3 chance of getting one.​

However, assuming Collingwood will play 9 Home and 5 Away at the MCG, 2 Home and 1 Away at Etihad and 5 outside Victoria we can assess each sides chance of getting one​

Interstate​

Sydney 100%​

Other Non-Victorian sides 4/7=57%​

MCG​

Carlton, Essendon, Melbourne, Richmond 100%​

Hawthorn, Geelong 1/2=50%​

Etihad​

St Kilda, Bulldogs, North 1/3=33%​

It seems that Richmond will start to become high on that list as well, from what I read this request was initiated by the Magpies, they want to jump on board the Tiger money machine early on and who can blame them, it would be good business for both clubs if we can continue our rise up the ladder.

Your point about ladder positions would be valid if the draw wasn't so unbalanced most years anyway.

 

[Hawkk]

Hawthorn care more about themselves than their supporters. If they want more big home games then play them all in Melbourne.

Using this flawless logic, Carlton (5 MCG home games) and Essendon (4 MCG home games) should play fewer 'big' home games than Hawthorn given the constraints of playing more games at a sub 50,000 home venue…heck North Melbourne, St Kilda, W Bulldogs, even Geelong shouldn’t play any home games against high drawing clubs given the constraints of their home grounds – is this the angle you’re using?

But getting back to the point of the thread, far from us to critise Collingwood or Richmond from requesting the best draw possible from a commercial perspective, all power to them.

Whether the AFL should cave in and give Collingwood return games against the big clubs (at the expense of the smaller clubs) has nothing to do with either Richmond or Collingwood, that's an AFL issue.

 

[Falchoon]

as long as neither club complain about the likes of North getting 2 games against GWS, WB & PA, I'm all for it

 

[nikolasmia]

I say knock them back.

We have no interest in subsidising Collingwood

 

[Pessimistic]

Maybe richmond are realising that Essendon and carlton fans don't neccesarily attend their clubs away games in great numbers, other than when they play each other or collingwood

 

[Terry Tan]

Hawthorn should just do what their jumper says and permanently move all their games to Tassie Tassie Hawks got a nice ring about it, and the Island state deserves a team.

 

[Groupie_]

Hawthorn should just do what their jumper says and permanently move all their games to Tassie Tassie Hawks got a nice ring about it, and the Island state deserves a team.

They don't shy away from that name either.

 

[PieBeast]

Have Hawthorn put in the request to not play Geelong at all?

 

[peejay]

Our games against Richmond have never been huge crowd pullers as there is no rivalry between our clubs.

I don't care where and when we play Richmond. It's a guarenteed 4 points for us anyway.

Hard to pull a crowd at a ground that holds 24 000.

 

[King Cold]

Hard to pull a crowd at a ground that holds 24 000.

Our last game at the MCG against Richmond drew 37,000.

 

[terryo]

I dont like the idea of clubs requesting games, but if it is to occur then I think woosha should start badmouthing bluey and sheeds in every presser left this year and request 2 games against gc and gws next year to foster our growing rivalry!

I think clubs requesting when games are played is fine but whom is definitely not right. Given that it's all about revenue pretty much sets the fixture anyway.

 

[Ron The Bear]

That fixture requests are not only solicited but potentially accommodated is an utter farce

We all know the fixturing is rigged. I don't agree with it on principle but the AFL never really listens to the public, so if it's about maximising revenue they may as well do it right.

Richmond has played Collingwood 9 times in 8 years - the least of any club - which makes no sense if you're operating under the guise of maximising attendances and revenue. More Collingwood/Richmond games means less money the AFL has to shell out to Richmond via the club distribution scheme and more for the other clubs, so it's win-win from a financial perspective (as long as Richmond holds up its end of the deal, performance-wise).

The number of 50K crowds this year has slipped back to 20 after seasons of 26, 24, 23, 23 & 21, despite more games being played this season. I wouldn't put it past the AFL to have sowed the seed for this with Collingwood.

(Some Hawthorn supporters need to petition the media to start using the term "Big 5" so they don't feel left out. But you can't have your Tassie-cake and eat it too.)

 

[Ron]

Don't want it. Those Richmond pricks screwed us over in 2007, and we should continue to play just one game against them, despite how pathetic they are.

 

[yaco55]

Fairly Simple - CWD stopped playing Richmond twice a year, because Richmond wouldn't share the gate receipts over the two games, as do Collingwood,Carlton and Essendon .

 

[Bazzar]

Let's just **** Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon & Richmond off and they can have their own league. They can play each other 7 times a year. The rest of us can worry about playing each other twice (home and away) and get on with it.

Someone is upset. Never could understand why Hawthorn supporters (vocal minority) have an issue with Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon.

 

[Ron]

Fairly Simple - CWD stopped playing Richmond twice a year, because Richmond wouldn't share the gate receipts over the two games, as do Collingwood,Carlton and Essendon .

Even worse. The Pies and Tigers had an agreement in 2007 to share the gate takings for that season (as they had for the previous few seasons). After Collingwood played the Tigers in the first game and got a massive crowd for their home game, the Tigers informed Collingwood that the gate sharing agreement was finished and they would keep all the money from that game.

Seeing them fail so badly for 30 years is just reward for such a piece of shit club.

 

[Black Diamond]

Completely agree.

Example Hawthorn, North, Collingwood, Essendon...

Will either of those combinations actually draw significantly less than the original combination?

Even the premise that Collingwood should play Richmond twice to reignite a rivalry is BS.

If that's the case, let's have North play Hawthorn twice. Should get something nice from the seventies going again.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Don't want it. Those Richmond pricks screwed us over in 2007, and we should continue to play just one game against them, despite how pathetic they are.

It was 2004 and as I understand it, it wasn't a 50-50 split. Collingwood demanded a majority of the takings according to some sort of formula.

I want to hate you ***** again. Long may Cloke and Didak remain at Collingwood and be punched by Jacob King.

Fairly Simple - CWD stopped playing Richmond twice a year...

This is a commonly-believed fallacy. Richmond has only played Collingwood twice a year, 8 times from 1992, whereas Essendon and Carlton have played them twice every year since then.

 

[Ron]

Yeah you are right it was 2004. Not sure about the formula, i just remember the Tigers reneged on the deal like the low life scum they are.