Collingwood and Richmond - who has the greater supporter base

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No 2019 is the pies vs gws crowd that one was 77k

In 2017 we drew 95k against the same opponent

I am sure there is a really good excuse for that one lol

Long wait for success , on a roll, knew we would win so we turned up etc etc

It’s like a choose your own adventure book , but the end is the same

Richmond is bigger lol

Spot on! Gotta give the pies credit though, they did rise an extra 5K ;) from 72K V GWS in 2018 SF to 77K in 2019 PF
 
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At least the meteor drops in some quality banter.

Banter you say, I'm all for it but depends on the other, it's gotta be a two way-streak. Now fadge and I have thrown a few funny barbs here and there, Vegas!!! But he does have a sense of humour, you seem too serious with all this, almost take offence that we tigers can provide a different narrative.
 
AFL tables has 2020 crowds.

They give both 2020 and 2021 with an asterix.

For example, Freo v Eagles were 3rd in the top 10 (2020).

You just exclude 2020 as the Tigers didnt appear...pretty standard for your posting.

You're getting to desperate stages and it's quite sad actually because no one in their right mind brings up 2020 attendances as there were mostly NO CROWDS in all states and ZERO in Vic. ALL Vic teams played in a hub, tiges at Metricon.

Now, in 2021 crowds were in every state (almost 4 million), including alll Vic teams who played on their home ground for most games what part of that don't you understand? Even footywire has nothing for 2020
 
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You're getting to desperate stages and it's quite sad actually because no one in their right mind brings up 2020 attendances as there were mostly NO CROWDS in all states and ZERO in Vic. ALL Vic teams played in a hub, tiges at Metricon.

Now, in 2021 crowds were in every state (almost 4 million), including alll Vic teams who played on their home ground for most games what part of that don't you understand? Even footywire has nothing for 2020
  • for 2020
  • for 2021

It was you who wanted to pick and choose which * to include when creating your selective stats.

A 57k crowd that was 2nd most in 2021 wouldnt have featured in the top20 in 2019....hence the *

Tigers havent been able to pull a 75k crowd since 2019.
 
The magic figure is 72179
The team that makes finals and cannot draw over 72179 people to a game has no right to be considered in the big 4 clubs. That Richmond team made finals and allegedly had over 100,000 members but could not draw a bigger crowd then that. Both embarrassing and humiliating. Collingwood has drawn 7 bigger crowds this year.

Richmond are really a nice little local club with limited national drawing power. A so called Big 4 club who has their biggest crowd for the year as 72179. Shameful. The figure of minnows.

Exactly right. Even if we look at social media Richmond do not lead Collingwood in any social media!!

Facebook
Collingwood 365,000
Richmond 288,000

Instagram
Collingwood 291,000
Richmond 288,000

Twitter
Collingwood 149,700
Richmond 109,400

Collingwood are not only the biggest club in Victoria but also Australia 🇦🇺.

Richmond are just a nice little local club
 
  • for 2020
  • for 2021

It was you who wanted to pick and choose which * to include when creating your selective stats.

Selective stats lol lol lol wake-up seriously, 2017-2022 is showing the 50 top attendances.
I'm not picking and choosing anything lmao, even remotely mentioning 2020 is pure semantics. 2021 (almost 4 million through the gate)
The pies v ess (2021) was the highest attendance, Anzac day almost 80K, I don't even waste my time trying to dispute that because crowds came back to Vic and they count.
 
  • for 2020
  • for 2021

It was you who wanted to pick and choose which * to include when creating your selective stats.

A 57k crowd that was 2nd most in 2021 wouldnt have featured in the top20 in 2019....hence the *

Tigers havent been able to pull a 75k crowd since 2019.
Such a small club Richmond are. No way bigger then the mighty pies!!
 
Selective stats lol lol lol wake-up seriously, 2017-2022 is showing the 50 top attendances.
I'm not picking and choosing anything lmao, even remotely mentioning 2020 is pure semantics. 2021 (almost 4 million through the gate)
The pies v ess (2021) was the highest attendance, Anzac day almost 80K, I don't even waste my time trying to dispute that because crowds came back to Vic and they count.
Why start with 2017?

2017 was six seasons ago, a nice round number!

Wouldnt happen to be year when Tigers broke a 35 year drought?

Selective cherry picking.

2017 is old news unfort, as relevant to who currently has the biggest supporter base as 2011.

Tigers yet to pull 75k bums on seats in the 2020s...maybe Carlton fans will get it done in Rd1 next year, as Tigger fans just arent there anymore.
 
Why start with 2017?

2017 was six seasons ago, a nice round number!

Wouldnt happen to be year when Tigers broke a 35 year drought?

Selective cherry picking.

2017 is old news unfort, as relevant to who currently has the biggest supporter base as 2011.

Tigers yet to pull 75k bums on seats in the 2020s...maybe Carlton fans will get it done in Rd1 next year, as Tigger fans just arent there anymore.

I have no words for you it's getting tiresome, you keep regurgitating the same thing. From a child to a grown adult, same, same it's like on auto-repeat lol

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It is merely a factor in the discussion, no more or less important than other factors VB. Just when Fadge starts falsely proclaiming Pies as a great club to support on a bang for buck basis, it becomes a very relevant factor in the discussion, don’t you agree? 😁

I think he meant bang for bucked tooth
 
Biggest crowds In 2022

Geelong v Collingwood 91 k
Collingwood v Fremantle 90 k
Carlton v Collingwood 88 k
Essendon v Collingwood 84k
Collingwood v Carlton 80k
Melbourne v Sydney 78 k
Collingwood v Melbourne 76 k
Collingwood v Essendon 72.4 k
Carlton v Richmond 72.1 k round 1
Melbourne v Collingwood 71.5 k

Collingwood are involved in 8 out of the 10 biggest crowds this year. Richmond involved in only one which was a carlton home game in round 1.

2017-18 was 5 years ago. Collingwood easily the biggest club in the country
 
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Oh Oh but we drew a big crowd once. Now that is the most embarrassing stat I have ever heard. Actually it is not even a stat.
Big crowd once, wtf is this bs you keep harping on about? Every final, the last 9 finals we've played are over 90k, every final, not one final, our crowd v GWS is just the icing on the cake, there will never be a bigger crowd for the one team, ever.

Our Qualifying final 2 weeks earlier v Geelong got over 95k, pouring rain all day and drizzling rain during the game.

Patrick Dangerfield wrote an article in the Herald Sun that confirms & illustrates just how big the Tiger crowd was that night when they played us & how stunned and rattled him and his Cats team mates were. The article is titled:

"Richmond’s huge supporter base is its secret weapon during matches, Patrick Dangerfield writes"​

Here are some quotes from Dangerfield in the article. "WHEN Patrick Dangerfield ran out onto the MCG with his Geelong teammates to a chorus of boos from Richmond fans ahead of last year’s qualifying final, it stunned him. He’s never felt anything like it and he reveals the true toll it took on the players.

"You can call them the Tigers’ secret weapon, although they’re not really very secret, but the point is at last year’s qualifying final I’d never felt anything like what I did running on to the MCG that night.

It was supposedly a neutral game with no home side but the chorus of booing which rung out as Geelong entered the arena was certainly a shock to the system.

There were more than 95,000 inside the stadium that night but it didn’t feel like there were many Cats fans.

It was astonishing."

Cats fans were ringing the radio stations, complaining how threatened & overawed they felt from the sheer size of our crowd, a lady complained to the AFL saying she was sitting in the Ponsford, where the Cats cheersquad was, but was surrounded by Tigers, she left at half time with her daughter because she felt too intimidated being there and didn't want to go on the train with the Mighty Tiger Army in full voice.

The above just further illustrates the true force and number of the Tiger Army, only Richmond can produce crowds of this size & atmosphere, Pies just run of the mill like all the other teams, big enough, but not in the same stratosphere as the RFC. :)
 
Every statistic shows Collingwood is bigger then Richmond. Richmond fans just cannot handle the truth.

Matter of fact if Richmond are the 4th biggest club out of the Victorian clubs around Australia. Behind Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton. In the afl Richmond would be the 6th biggest club if you take into account west coast and Adelaide. Around Australia the biggest club would be in order;

1. West Coast
2. Collingwood
3. Essendon
4. Adelaide
5. Carlton
6. Richmond
7. Hawthorn
8. Geelong
9. Sydney
10. Brisbane
11. Fremantle
12. Port Adelaide
13. Melbourne
14. St.kilda
15. Western bulldogs
16. North Melbourne
17. Gold Coast
18. GWS
 
Big crowd once, wtf is this bs you keep harping on about? Every final, the last 9 finals we've played are over 90k, every final, not one final, our crowd v GWS is just the icing on the cake, there will never be a bigger crowd for the one team, ever.

Our Qualifying final 2 weeks earlier v Geelong got over 95k, pouring rain all day and drizzling rain during the game.

Patrick Dangerfield wrote an article in the Herald Sun that confirms & illustrates just how big the Tiger crowd was that night when they played us & how stunned and rattled him and his Cats team mates were. The article is titled:

"Richmond’s huge supporter base is its secret weapon during matches, Patrick Dangerfield writes"​

Here are some quotes from Dangerfield in the article. "WHEN Patrick Dangerfield ran out onto the MCG with his Geelong teammates to a chorus of boos from Richmond fans ahead of last year’s qualifying final, it stunned him. He’s never felt anything like it and he reveals the true toll it took on the players.

"You can call them the Tigers’ secret weapon, although they’re not really very secret, but the point is at last year’s qualifying final I’d never felt anything like what I did running on to the MCG that night.

It was supposedly a neutral game with no home side but the chorus of booing which rung out as Geelong entered the arena was certainly a shock to the system.

There were more than 95,000 inside the stadium that night but it didn’t feel like there were many Cats fans.

It was astonishing."

Cats fans were ringing the radio stations, complaining how threatened & overawed they felt from the sheer size of our crowd, a lady complained to the AFL saying she was sitting in the Ponsford, where the Cats cheersquad was, but was surrounded by Tigers, she left at half time with her daughter because she felt too intimidated being there and didn't want to go on the train with the Mighty Tiger Army in full voice.

The above just further illustrates the true force and number of the Tiger Army, only Richmond can produce crowds of this size & atmosphere, Pies just run of the mill like all the other teams, big enough, but not in the same stratosphere as the RFC. :)

Sorry but Richmond are 9.2 million smaller then Collingwood.

The last time Richmond actually drew more people during the home and away season then Collingwood was way back in 2018!

Collingwood is also the only club to break 1.2 million people during the home and away season and the pies have done this 6 times. 2007, 2008, 2010 (record 1,306,604), 2011, 2012 and 2019!

Richmond biggest was in 2018 1,194,000!
The following year Collingwood drew 1,207,000!

Look as last weeks game 90,612 people at the ground. Freo were so intimidated by the noise of the 80,000 magpie army. The game was sold out by Thursday afternoon. If Collingwood played gold cost or gws the crowd would of been over 90,000!

Unlike Richmond Collingwood have massive support in every state in Australia. Collingwood is the biggest Victorian club in Victoria, ACT, NSW and Queensland. In the NT, WA, SA and Tasmania Collingwood would be in the top 3!

There is no state where Richmond would have more supporters then Collingwood
 
Big crowd once, wtf is this bs you keep harping on about? Every final, the last 9 finals we've played are over 90k, every final, not one final, our crowd v GWS is just the icing on the cake, there will never be a bigger crowd for the one team, ever.

Our Qualifying final 2 weeks earlier v Geelong got over 95k, pouring rain all day and drizzling rain during the game.

Patrick Dangerfield wrote an article in the Herald Sun that confirms & illustrates just how big the Tiger crowd was that night when they played us & how stunned and rattled him and his Cats team mates were. The article is titled:

"Richmond’s huge supporter base is its secret weapon during matches, Patrick Dangerfield writes"​

Here are some quotes from Dangerfield in the article. "WHEN Patrick Dangerfield ran out onto the MCG with his Geelong teammates to a chorus of boos from Richmond fans ahead of last year’s qualifying final, it stunned him. He’s never felt anything like it and he reveals the true toll it took on the players.

"You can call them the Tigers’ secret weapon, although they’re not really very secret, but the point is at last year’s qualifying final I’d never felt anything like what I did running on to the MCG that night.

It was supposedly a neutral game with no home side but the chorus of booing which rung out as Geelong entered the arena was certainly a shock to the system.

There were more than 95,000 inside the stadium that night but it didn’t feel like there were many Cats fans.

It was astonishing."

Cats fans were ringing the radio stations, complaining how threatened & overawed they felt from the sheer size of our crowd, a lady complained to the AFL saying she was sitting in the Ponsford, where the Cats cheersquad was, but was surrounded by Tigers, she left at half time with her daughter because she felt too intimidated being there and didn't want to go on the train with the Mighty Tiger Army in full voice.

The above just further illustrates the true force and number of the Tiger Army, only Richmond can produce crowds of this size & atmosphere, Pies just run of the mill like all the other teams, big enough, but not in the same stratosphere as the RFC. :)
This is all very nice, but what was the atmosphere like at the only final Collingwood and Richmond have contested since the turn of the century?
 
I CBF reading this thread but this isn't a serious question right?

Collingwood fans desperate to win the thread with by far the most contributions. Neutrals come in for about 5 minutes each until they realise that Richmond have had the most paying members the last 6 years consecutively and have 90k+ to their last 7 finals at the MCG(barring GF’s) and Collingwood have a run of 2 now live - their highest in the AFL era. Then neutrals look at that and say ok, it would be impossible for Collingwood to have a greater supporter base than Richmond if those things are true and I don’t want to admit Richmond have the greater supporter base, so I am going to gtf outta here. 😁

But Pies supporters persist with their huge list of excuses, "our supporters can’t afford memberships," "our supporters are fatigued by all our success of one winning GF in the last 64 seasons so don’t come to finals," "it rained once in a final we played in,” “ticketing systems stopped more of our supporters from coming to finals,” “Richmond used to be smaller than they are now, so they are not as big as they are now,” “Richmond supporters only came to finals because they had been so unsuccessful for so long, but nevertheless are bandwagoners” 🤣🤣🤣 it goes on and on.

Pies supporters desperately cling to the fact that more Carlton and Essendon and Richmond fans come to games against them than Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton fans attend games v Richmond…..until we loosen their grip by pointing out Collingwood, Essendon, Carlton combined have only won 5 of their last 40 matches v the Tigers so their fans don’t bother turning up against us. This has nothing to do with Richmond having a smaller supporter base, if those 3 weak willed down hill skiing fair weather supporter groups don’t turn up against the Tigers because they don’t expect to win. 😎

Anyway, that is the thread in a nutshell. Now that you have provided you a fair summary, given you are a Geelong supporter you will slink off without acknowledging the plain obvious truth that the Pies cannot silence in 73 pages even by bombarding the thread with their supporters posting lies, lies, lies. One of my all time favourite threads. 😍
 
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Collingwood fans desperate to win the thread with by far the most contributions. Neutrals come in for about 5 minutes each until they realise that Richmond have had the most paying members the last 6 years consecutively and have 90k+ to their last 7 finals at the MCG(barring GF’s) and Collingwood have a run of 2 now live - their highest int he AFL era. Then neutrals look at that and say ok, it would be impossible for Collingwood to have a greater supporter base than Richmond if those things are true and I don’t want to admit Richmond have the greater supporter base, so I am going to gtf outta here. 😁

But Pies supporters persist with their huge list of excuses, "our supporters can’t afford memberships," "our supporters are fatigued by all our success of one winning GF in the last 64 seasons so don’t come to finals," "it rained once in a final we played in,” “ticketing systems stopped more of our supporters from coming to finals,” “Richmond used to be smaller than they are now, so they are not as big as they are now,” “Richmond supporters only came to finals because they had been so unsuccessful for so long, but nevertheless are bandwagoners” 🤣🤣🤣 it goes on and on.

Pies supporters desperately cling to the fact that more Carlton and Essendon and Richmond fans come to games against them than Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton fans attend games v Richmond…..until we loosen their grip by pointing out Collingwood, Essendon, Carlton combined have only won 5 of their last 40 matches v the Tigers so their fans don’t bother turning up against us. This has nothing to do with Richmond having a smaller supporter base, if those 3 weak willed down hill skiing fair weather supporter groups don’t turn up against the Tigers because they don’t expect to win. 😎

Anyway, that is the thread in a nutshell. Now that you have a fair summary in a nutshell, given you are a Geelong supporter you will slink off without acknowledging the plain obvious truth that the Pies cannot silence in 73 pages even by bombarding the thread with their supporters posting lies, lies, lies. One of my all time favourite threads. 😍
And to counter the above waffle from the Richmond supporters, Collingwood supporters have produced this:
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Green = Finals
Red = Bottom 4
Covid Years excluded.

Over to you to form your own conclusion...
 
This is all very nice, but what was the atmosphere like at the only final Collingwood and Richmond have contested since the turn of the century?
You can't be serious? lol. That 2018 Prelim final, the Richmond crowd dwarfed the Collingwood crowd, 2-1 easily in Richmond's favour, had a pie supporting friend who couldn't believe how many more Tiger supporters were there that night, just a shame Pies were too good and killed us, nothing much to cheer for that night as a Tiger supporter.
 
If Collingwood played gold cost or gws the crowd would of been over 90,000!

Lol you have played GWS twice and you couldn't get over 80, but here you are thinking you would've gotten over 90K. Only one team has gotten that much against the lowest supported club in the AFL, Richmond 95K.

You barely got over 90K V Freo and you yourself said on the attendances thread likely to be 7-8K freo. I agree, wouldn't think there was more than 10K

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Lol, Fudge the inveterate elevator of home and away game importance. Despite no demoralised Essendon Carlton Collingwood supporters turning up against Richmond but Richmond Essendon Carlton supporters flooding the MCG against Collingwood in recent years the Tigers are still more than matching it with the Dwindlewood supporter base since Richmond become the greatest supporter base. Beyond that is only used-to-be-true Shrinkingwood nostalgia and the era prior to Richmond sorting themselves out. I just love this desperate squirming by Collingwood supporters to try to make out they retain their former status, it is better than their team’s dead cat bounce 2022 season. 😁
A couple of points:

1. Why wouldn't you assess attendance based on home and away? Richmond supporters should know as well as anyone that not all teams have the opportunity to regularly play finals. All teams play the same number of home and away games and grounds are selected in the fixtures based on predicted attendance figures. To cherry pick specific finals games upon which to base an argument is both deluded and disingenuous. I could have provided total crowd number for finals in the AFL era, and Collingwood would be at or near the top and Richmond would be in the bottom half, but what would that prove?

2. Collingwood's 'dead cat bounce' in 2022? We're about to play our 10th Preliminary Final since the turn of the century, and we have averaged a Grand Final appearance every three years since the beginning of time. Collingwood are perennial contenders. Meanwhile, how many decades of mediocrity can we expect to see from Richmond going forward? They are the masters of stringing together 20 to 35 year patches of irrelevance.
 
Lol, Fudge the inveterate elevator of home and away game importance.

It's an irrelevant set of numbers. From 1990 to 2012, Richmond in 22 seasons only played in 2 finals series. So 20 seasons outside the 8, we were pretty putrid. A bit like Carlton has been prior to this year, woeful for a decade + their crowds overall have been pretty poor. Even the bombers have had some bad crowds over a period of time. No team is immune from registering low crowds.
 
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