Collingwood and Richmond - who has the greater supporter base

[Zevon]

Just a reminder: Terms like “Minnowmond”, “Shrinkingwood”, “Dwindlewood” and the like belong on the bay, not the main board. Same goes for referring to either team as a minnow, when clearly neither fits that description.

If you see stuff like this, don’t respond with more of it. Click ‘report’ so we can deal with it.

 

[Fadge]

It's an irrelevant set of numbers. From 1990 to 2012, Richmond in 22 seasons only played in 2 finals series. So 20 seasons outside the 8, we were pretty putid. A bit like Carlton has been prior to this year, woeful for a decade + their crowds overall have been pretty poor. Even the bombers have had some bad crowds over a period of time. No team is immune from registering low crowds.

Exactly why we can't focus on finals crowds when comparing the relative popularity of teams.

How many home and away games did you play over that time, out of interest? Was that more or fewer home and away games than other teams?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

A couple of points:

1. Why wouldn't you assess attendance based on home and away? Richmond supporters should know as well as anyone that not all teams have the opportunity to regularly play finals. All teams play the same number of home and away games and grounds are selected in the fixtures based on predicted attendance figures. To cherry pick specific finals games upon which to base an argument is both deluded and disingenuous. I could have provided total crowd number for finals in the AFL era, and Collingwood would be at or near the top and Richmond would be in the bottom half, but what would that prove?

2. Collingwood's 'dead cat bounce' in 2022? We're about to play our 10th Preliminary Final since the turn of the century, and we have averaged a Grand Final appearance every three years since the beginning of time. Collingwood are perennial contenders. Meanwhile, how many decades of mediocrity can we expect to see from Richmond going forward? They are the masters of stringing together 20 to 35 year patches of irrelevance.

"Meanwhile, how many decades of mediocrity can we expect to see from Richmond going forward?”

Nobody can tell for sure what will happen in the future Fudge. You don’t even seem to comprehend what has happened in the past.


"To cherry pick specific finals games upon which to base an argument is both deluded and disingenuous.”

You can go back as far as you like in the AFL era Fudgey wudgey. You will not find a string of 7 consecutive Collingwood MCG finals crowds above 90k to match Richmond anywhere. Nor 6, nor 5, nor 4, nor 3. Just your current string of 2. This doesn’t require cherry picking, or avoidance. In fact you won’t even find more than 2 in succession above 80,000 for Collingwood. Yet 7 above 90,000 for Richmond. Collingwood don’t even have a string of 7 consecutive above 70,000 at MCG finals in the AFL era. It is sad to witness but it is the reality we need to grasp.

Current greater supporter base Richmond unbroken run of 7 x 90k+ MCG finals crowds.

Former greatest supporter base Collingwood <7 best run of 70k+ MCG finals crowds in AFL era. That is some finals fatigue right there.

 

[Fadge]

"Meanwhile, how many decades of mediocrity can we expect to see from Richmond going forward?”

Nobody can tell for sure what will happen in the future Fudge. You don’t even seem to comprehend what has happened in the past.


"To cherry pick specific finals games upon which to base an argument is both deluded and disingenuous.”

You can go back as far as you like in the AFL era Fudgey wudgey. You will not find a string of 7 consecutive Collingwood MCG finals crowds above 90k to match Richmond anywhere. Nor 6, nor 5, nor 4, nor 3. Just your current string of 2. This doesn’t require cherry picking, or avoidance. In fact you won’t even find more than 2 in succession above 80,000 for Collingwood. Yet 7 above 90,000 for Richmond. Collingwood don’t even have a string of 7 consecutive above 70,000 at MCG finals in the AFL era. It is sad to witness but it is the reality we need to grasp.

Current greater supporter base Richmond unbroken run of 7 x 90k+ MCG finals crowds.

Former greatest supporter base Collingwood <7 best run of 70k+ MCG finals crowds in AFL era. That is some finals fatigue right there.

Get back to the Carlton Salary Cap thread!

 

[AstuteTiger]

Exactly why we can't focus on finals crowds when comparing the relative popularity of teams.

How many home and away games did you play over that time, out of interest? Was that more or fewer home and away games than other teams?

Because from 1990 to 2012, pies played in 6 GF's and countless finals series, meaning when you're up and in the 8 crowds will always be higher, if you think otherwise then you are sadly mistaken. It's like from 2013, some success, not finals wins but playing more regularly in the top 8 (2013/2014/2015 we still got some monster crowds and when real success came from 2017 onwards we continued playing in many monster crowds. And we have topped attendances in 2015, 2018, 2019 and 2021

2013 - 81K V Blues, 82K V Pies, 84K+ V Bombers
2015 - 83.5K V Blues, 84K V Bombers and 90K+ V North in the EF
2017 - 86K V Dees, 86K V Bombers, 70K V Saints and Prelim V GWS 95K
2018 - 90K+ V Blues, 71K V Hawks, 77 V Dees, 81K V Bombers, 88K V Pies
2019 - 85K V Blues, 81K V Bombers, 79K V Pies, 77K V Lions

 

[gopies1981]

Lol you have played GWS twice and you couldn't get over 80, but here you are thinking you would've gotten over 90K. Only one team has gotten that much against the lowest supported club in the AFL, Richmond 95K.

You barely got over 90K V Freo and you yourself said on the attendances thread likely to be 7-8K freo. I agree, wouldn't think there was more than 10K

The game was sold out by Thursday. Collingwood have always been the biggest club and always will be. While Richmond could not even draw more then 72 k and that was in round 1 haha

 

[gopies1981]

Because from 1990 to 2012, pies played in 6 GF's and countless finals series, meaning when you're up and in the 8 crowds will always be higher, if you think otherwise then you are sadly mistaken. It's like from 2013, some success, not finals wins but playing more regularly in the top 8 (2013/2014/2015 we still got some monster crowds and when real success came from 2017 onwards we continued playing in many monster crowds. And we have topped attendances in 2015, 2018, 2019 and 2021

2013 - 81K V Blues, 82K V Pies, 84K+ V Bombers
2015 - 83.5K V Blues, 84K V Bombers and 90K+ V North in the EF
2017 - 86K V Dees, 86K V Bombers, 70K V Saints and Prelim V GWS 95K
2018 - 90K+ V Blues, 71K V Hawks, 77 V Dees, 81K V Bombers, 88K V Pies
2019 - 85K V Blues, 81K V Bombers, 79K V Pies, 77K V Lions

What are Richmond’s attendance’s whilst in the bottom 4??

Collingwood on the other hand have been top 2 in attendances since 1990 baring 1 year in 2017 whilst we finished 13th and only drew 21,000 less fans to our games in Richmond’s premiership year. Compare that to Collingwood’s premiership year where we drew 400,000 more through the turnstiles then Richmond!!

 

[AstuteTiger]

The game was sold out by Thursday. Collingwood have always been the biggest club and always will be. While Richmond could not even draw more then 72 k and that was in round 1 haha

That doesn't answer the question. My point was not how fast It sold out but you made an assertion that you would get 90K against gc and gws but considering you had played gws twice, that's just wishful thinking. Because we have precedent, you couldn't get over 80K prior, so ill take your claim with a grain of salt.

 

[gopies1981]

Because from 1990 to 2012, pies played in 6 GF's and countless finals series, meaning when you're up and in the 8 crowds will always be higher, if you think otherwise then you are sadly mistaken. It's like from 2013, some success, not finals wins but playing more regularly in the top 8 (2013/2014/2015 we still got some monster crowds and when real success came from 2017 onwards we continued playing in many monster crowds. And we have topped attendances in 2015, 2018, 2019 and 2021

2013 - 81K V Blues, 82K V Pies, 84K+ V Bombers
2015 - 83.5K V Blues, 84K V Bombers and 90K+ V North in the EF
2017 - 86K V Dees, 86K V Bombers, 70K V Saints and Prelim V GWS 95K
2018 - 90K+ V Blues, 71K V Hawks, 77 V Dees, 81K V Bombers, 88K V Pies
2019 - 85K V Blues, 81K V Bombers, 79K V Pies, 77K V Lions

You cannot count 2021 surely when half the year there were no crowds lol.

I guess desperate times call for desperate measures hey lol!!

Collingwood have topped attendances in 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997, 2002, 2003, 2005 (second last that year the pies finished), 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 20012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2019 and 2022!

Again Collingwood have always been the biggest club in the afl.

It is 2022 and who is the biggest club? Collingwood

You talk about the prelim final v gws. Why did Collingwood draw 78 k to that game. Maybe look at the weather. Pouring rain for the first 3 qtrs.

 

[AstuteTiger]

What are Richmond’s attendance’s whilst in the bottom 4??

Collingwood on the other hand have been top 2 in attendances since 1990 baring 1 year in 2017 whilst we finished 13th and only drew 21,000 less fans to our games in Richmond’s premiership year. Compare that to Collingwood’s premiership year where we drew 400,000 more through the turnstiles then Richmond!!

What are you on about, I am simply replying to fadge and my point was about where teams are on the ladder with regards to pulling crowds. If your team is on the bottom for a decade and the other is in the top 8 I'm pretty sure that the team in the top 8 will draw more.
I'm not discussing we pulled 21K more in 2017, lol premiership year as if we knew we would win the premiership at RD23. We were in the mix, ohh not even going to mention we played at GHMBA and you played cats at the G (Oops I just did), which impacts overall attendances but that's for another story the inequities of the fixture.

 

[gopies1981]

That doesn't answer the question. My point was not how fast It sold out but you made an assertion that you would get 90K against gc and gws but considering you had played gws twice, that's just wishful thinking. Because we have precedent, you couldn't get over 80K prior, so ill take your claim with a grain of salt.

Look at the weather for the gws prelim final.

The Collingwood v freo game 90 k with over 80,000 Collingwood fans. Richmond had 50,000 neutrals going for them when they played gws in 2017!!

Richmond had the 9th biggest crowd this year. Collingwood were involved in 8 of the top 10!!

You cannot honestly think Richmond have more supporters then Collingwood. Only you and a couple of Richmond fans think Richmond have more which is great for a laugh

 

[gopies1981]

What are you on about, I am simply replying to fadge and my point was about where teams are on the ladder with regards to pulling crowds. If your team is on the bottom for a decade and the other is in the top 8 I'm pretty sure that the team in the top 8 will draw more.
I'm not discussing we pulled 21K more in 2017, lol premiership year as if we knew we would win the premiership at RD23. We were in the mix, ohh not even going to mention we played at GHMBA and you played cats at the G (Oops I just did), which impacts overall attendances but that's for another story the inequities of the fixture.

Why are you making excuses? Why do you think Richmond were scheduled to play at GHMBA stadium? Because the afl must think Richmond are not that big of a club lol

 

[AstuteTiger]

You cannot count 2021 surely when half the year there were no crowds lol.

I guess desperate times call for desperate measures hey lol!!

Collingwood have topped attendances in 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997, 2002, 2003, 2005 (second last that year the pies finished), 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 20012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2019 and 2022!

Again Collingwood have always been the biggest club in the afl.

It is 2022 and who is the biggest club? Collingwood

You talk about the prelim final v gws. Why did Collingwood draw 78 k to that game. Maybe look at the weather. Pouring rain for the first 3 qtrs.

Bahahaha what do you mean half the year? The average games played in front of crowds was 18 across the board. Almost 4 million through the gate, yeah let's pretend it didn't happen. Ohh 2019, well, you played ess twice in 2019, we played them once, reverse that fixture and we top the attendances, see how easy that was. The fixture has many inequities.

Are you seriously trying to say because of rain a magical 17K didn't roll up, turn it up. Fickle bunch you lot.
How about the year before in the semi you got 72K V GWS, whats the excuse for this one?

 

[AstuteTiger]

Why are you making excuses? Why do you think Richmond were scheduled to play at GHMBA stadium? Because the afl must think Richmond are not that big of a club lol

Essendon (2021) and Carlton 2020) also played there. So in your own words, the AFL must not think that the blues and bombers are big clubs?
It's not an excuse lol it's FACT. You just don't get it, don't you. Why is it so hard for you to see GMHBA holds like 30K, but at the G if you play the cats as the "away team" you can get 60-70K. And we have since played the cats as the away team at the G like the pies and hawks have enjoyed for years.

 

[Fadge]

Essendon (2021) and Carlton 2020) also played there. So in your own words, the AFL must not think that the blues and bombers are big clubs?
It's not an excuse lol it's FACT. You just don't get it, don't you. Why is it so hard for you to see GMHBA holds like 30K, but at the G if you play the cats as the "away team" you can get 60-70K. And we have since played the cats as the away team at the G like the pies and hawks have enjoyed for years.

So Covid years? Right.

As to the nature of this thread topic, Collingwood would NEVER be scheduled there.

Hmmm.

 

[AstuteTiger]

So Covid years? Right.

As to the nature of this thread topic, Collingwood would NEVER be scheduled there.

Hmmm.

Lol, so the fixture that came out in Oct 2019 (for 2020) knew covid was coming in March 2020 , fadge seriously you didn't think that one through.
Now if pies spent the next 10 years down the bottom of the ladder you would be playing there trust me.
But I think it may come sooner for all of us, when GMHBA stadium is completely finished (40K+), the cats will demand all their 11 home games to be played there, which is fair enough.

 

[Fadge]

Lol, so the fixture that came out in Oct 2019 (for 2020) knew covid was coming in March 2020 , fadge seriously you didn't think that one through.
Now if pies spent the next 10 years down the bottom of the ladder you would be playing there trust me.
But I think it may come sooner for all of us, when GMHBA stadium is completely finished (40K+), the cats will demand all their 11 home games to be played there, which is fair enough.

No we wouldn't be.


A. Collingwood don't spend 10 years at the bottom of the ladder;
B. The one time Collingwood finished bottom 4 in 3 consecutive seasons, we were still number 2 for attendances in each of those seasons.

That is why we are the greatest supported club and don't play at the likes of GMHBA.

 

[blueboy25]

No we wouldn't be.
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A. Collingwood don't spend 10 years at the bottom of the ladder;
B. The one time Collingwood finished bottom 4 in 3 consecutive seasons, we were still number 2 for attendances in each of those seasons.

That is why we are the greatest supported club and don't play at the likes of GMHBA.

How come Carlton had more people attend their home games this year compared to Collingwood if you are the best of the best?

Plus Carlton don't have any marquee games given to us by the AFL this season.

Plus half our home games are at Marvel.

 

[AstuteTiger]

No we wouldn't be.

A. Collingwood don't spend 10 years at the bottom of the ladder;
B. The one time Collingwood finished bottom 4 in 3 consecutive seasons, we were still number 2 for attendances in each of those seasons.

That is why we are the greatest supported club and don't play at the likes of GMHBA.

Lol that is true you do not spend that long down the bottom but if you did you would be scheduled there. But as stated it won't matter whether you're up top or down below on the ladder, once the stadium (40K+) is completed all Cats 11 home games will be played there. The club has already stated this, whether the AFL grants it is another thing. But one would think they're more likely than not to succeed with this request.

 

[gopies1981]

Essendon (2021) and Carlton 2020) also played there. So in your own words, the AFL must not think that the blues and bombers are big clubs?
It's not an excuse lol it's FACT. You just don't get it, don't you. Why is it so hard for you to see GMHBA holds like 30K, but at the G if you play the cats as the "away team" you can get 60-70K. And we have since played the cats as the away team at the G like the pies and hawks have enjoyed for years.

You don’t get it…..Essendon and Carlton who are bigger Then Richmond only played in Geelong due to covid years where there were 0 crowds

 

[gopies1981]

Lol that is true you do not spend that long down the bottom but if you did you would be scheduled there. But as stated it won't matter whether you're up top or down below on the ladder, once the stadium (40K+) is completed all Cats 11 home games will be played there. The club has already stated this, whether the AFL grants it is another thing. But one would think they're more likely than not to succeed with this request.

We will never know that because Collingwood have never been a basket case like Richmond

 

[Fadge]

How come Carlton had more people attend their home games this year compared to Collingwood if you are the best of the best?

Plus Carlton don't have any marquee games given to us by the AFL this season.

Plus half our home games are at Marvel.

Oh no.

Home games.

One year.

Start a new thread.

 

[AstuteTiger]

You don’t get it…..Essendon and Carlton who are bigger Then Richmond on player there due to covid years where there were 0 crowds

bahahaha you still have a chance to delete your post. It's pretty embarrassing. The fixture came out in Oct 2019 for the 2020 season, Carlton was already fixtured to play at GMHBA. Do you think the Oct 2019 release of the 2020 fixture knew that covid was coming in March 2020

 

[gopies1981]

Bahahaha what do you mean half the year? The average games played in front of crowds was 18 across the board. Almost 4 million through the gate, yeah let's pretend it didn't happen. Ohh what as well say you played ess twice in 2019, we played them once, reverse that fixture and we top the attendances, see how easy that was. The fixture has many inequities.

Are you seriously trying to say because of rain a magical 17K didn't roll up, turn it up. Fickle bunch you lot.
How about the year before in the semi you got 72K V GWS, whats the excuse for this one?

But we drew 90,000 v freo who don’t have many supporters. When was the last time Richmond drew over 90,000? Haha

 

[gopies1981]

bahahaha you still have a chance to delete your post. It's pretty embarrassing. The fixture came out in Oct 2019 for the 2020 season, Carlton was already fixtured to play at GMHBA. Do you think the Oct 2019 release of the 2020 fixture knew that covid was coming in March 2020

Fact is Collingwood are bigger then Richmond…..you know it, I know it and the whole world knows it haha

 

[AstuteTiger]

But we drew 90,000 v freo who don’t have many supporters. When was the last time Richmond drew over 90,000? Haha

What the? freo don't have many supporters they pretty much sold out OS 59K V Dogs, so they have thousands of travelling fans and ones that live here.
Trying to downplay freos support lol. Well, we can only go by the last time we played an interstate side at the G in finals, got a lazy 95K. By memory, your mob could only muster 72K and 77K against the same opposition hahaha!