Opinion Collingwood don't want Adam Treloar... recently signed him to a multi year big $$$ deal.

[banzai]

None are. Regardless of how good they are.

We wouldnt have won the last 2 flags if we didnt put Dusty and Lynch on 7 year deals. Obviously there is massive risk involved but sometimes thats what it takes.

Obviously Collingwood seem to have been hurt the most by covid and the cap dropping when everyone assumed it would keep going up.

 

[Fadge]

We wouldnt have won the last 2 flags if we didnt put Dusty and Lynch on 7 year deals. Obviously there is massive risk involved but sometimes thats what it takes.

Obviously Collingwood seem to have been hurt the most by covid and the cap dropping when everyone assumed it would keep going up.

One of the first sensible posts I have read in this thread.

 

[Noiret]

Simple answer. Because in Plan A $900k of salary cap space is taken up, whilst in Plan B only $300k of cap space is taken up.

Yes, you're saving $600,000/a, but you're losing a $600,000/a player. If you then recruit a similar player, you'll have to pay $600,000/a & it'll be the same as if you kept him. It's like if you buy a house for $900,000 and then the market changes and its value decreases to $600,000. You're not better off selling the house, you've done the $300,000 either way.

 

[Ma Xiao Long]

Collingwood embraced the power of vulnerability and brotherhood until it didn't suit them anymore.

Remember that Collingwood documentary from last year, where they went on and on about connection and said things like, “We’re not teammates, we’re brothers.” What a load of sh*t.

 

[HairyO]

We wouldnt have won the last 2 flags if we didnt put Dusty and Lynch on 7 year deals. Obviously there is massive risk involved but sometimes thats what it takes.

Obviously Collingwood seem to have been hurt the most by covid and the cap dropping when everyone assumed it would keep going up.

Pretty sure 5 years+1 would have been enough.

Do you really think every player would actually go to North Melbourne on their 7 year offers?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Remember that Collingwood documentary from last year, where they went on and on about connection and said things like, “We’re not teammates, we’re brothers.” What a load of sh*t.

Indeed
Such BS. Not sure how Treloar is regarded by the rest of the playing group, but these loss of trust in leadership can have massive ramifications

 

[Laphroaig]

We wouldnt have won the last 2 flags if we didnt put Dusty and Lynch on 7 year deals. Obviously there is massive risk involved but sometimes thats what it takes.

Obviously Collingwood seem to have been hurt the most by covid and the cap dropping when everyone assumed it would keep going up.

One of the first sensible posts I have read in this thread.

Bullshit. When the dust settles the Covid factor on contracts will be proportionally factored in. We know this.

The only unknown is front ended contracts with the front end in 2020. Not back ended deals. They don't change. Same slice of the pie, whatever the size of the pie is.

 

[Xtreme]

This saga has more twists and turns than The young and the restless!

Indeed
Such BS. Not sure how Treloar is regarded by the rest of the playing group, but these loss of trust in leadership can have massive ramifications

I call dibs on Mayne as a Hawk

 

[Giddy Up]

I 100% want him to stay and really cannot believe what is going on.

it’s made me think though, players are always saying I want to go to x club even whilst under contract. Could this be the beginning where clubs become more “americanised” and getting what is best for them in future?

 

[sprockets]

Yes, you're saving $600,000/a, but you're losing a $600,000/a player. If you then recruit a similar player, you'll have to pay $600,000/a & it'll be the same as if you kept him. It's like if you buy a house for $900,000 and then the market changes and its value decreases to $600,000. You're not better off selling the house, you've done the $300,000 either way.

Which can mean only one thing - they don't want him at their club.

 

[Devington]

I 100% want him to stay and really cannot believe what is going on.

it’s made me think though, players are always saying I want to go to x club even whilst under contract. Could this be the beginning where clubs become more “americanised” and getting what is best for them in future?

If Americanised means stabbing your player in the back while using the media to assassinate their character all so that you can offload their hefty contract onto someone else because you ****ed up... then yes, this truly is Collingwood breaking the league into that territory.

 

[Moley Russels Wart]

If this was any other club you just know the kind of noises McGuire would be making in public. Hypocrisy manifest.

I see you know your judo well...

 

[Brick Loosener]

Remember that Collingwood documentary from last year, where they went on and on about connection and said things like, “We’re not teammates, we’re brothers.” What a load of sh*t.

Can always put bets on for Stephenson if he's looking for a new job.

 

[telsor]

Remember that Collingwood documentary from last year, where they went on and on about connection and said things like, “We’re not teammates, we’re brothers.” What a load of sh*t.

Most (probably all) clubs and playing groups say that.

Few live up to it. The ones that seem to are usually successful. When times are tougher, cracks are more likely to appear.

With Covid/hubs/etc. I'm actually surprised there isn't more player movement going on this year.

 

[deck]

If Americanised means stabbing your player in the back while using the media to assassinate their character all so that you can offload their hefty contract onto someone else because you f’ed up... then yes, this truly is Collingwood breaking the league into that territory.

What am I missing? 95% of the media I have read paints the club in a bad light. If the club have been using the media to assassinate his character they have done a very poor job.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Stephenson is apparantly on 500,000 a season

Anyone ever heard of anything that ridiculous?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

This saga has more twists and turns than The young and the restless!



I call dibs on Mayne as a Hawk

He is on next to nothing this year. Was talk of him simply retiring to come back to W.A but he decided to see out his contract

 

[Laphroaig]

What am I missing? 95% of the media I have read paints the club in a bad light. If the club have been using the media to assassinate his character they have done a very poor job.

Cause and effect.

The unfavourable media the club is getting caused by the club having made snide suggestions to try to paint Treloar as the problem, and leaving him swinging in the breeze for weeks since. Nobody bought into the first part, and the second has created widespread revulsion.

Unfavourable media doesn't always get to where it is most deserved. On this occasion, it has.

 

[telsor]

Stephenson is apparantly on 500,000 a season

Anyone ever heard of anything that ridiculous?

Plenty of examples around of players getting silly money after a good/breakout year and then reverting to their 'normal' level.

Overrating your own players isn't limited to fans.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Plenty of examples around of players getting silly money after a good/breakout year and then reverting to their 'normal' level.

Overrating your own players isn't limited to fans.

We have silly sure

The we have batshit insane

This falls in the latter

 

[telsor]

We have silly sure

The we have batshit insane

This falls in the latter

Not really. As a regular best 22 player, who would have had some interest from other clubs if a deal hadn't been done, he'd reasonably be on 3-400K so another hundred K or so isn't that crazy.

The crazier ones are the likes of Brown or Hogan, where in order to trade them, the club that signed the deal needs to cover a noticeable part of their salary and still give them away for picks that wouldn't have even been considered steak knives if a trade had happened around when the deal was done.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Not really. As a regular best 22 player, who would have had some interest from other clubs if a deal hadn't been done, he'd reasonably be on 3-400K so another hundred K or so isn't that crazy.

The crazier ones are the likes of Brown or Hogan, where in order to trade them, the club that signed the deal needs to cover a noticeable part of their salary and still give them away for picks that wouldn't have even been considered steak knives if a trade had happened around when the deal was done.

If you give every best 22 player 100-200k a year extra, you are in the position Collingwood are in now

You go through the contracts we know and its a constant theme

Stephenson is clearly one you pull back on and say. Nope 300k it is. You have the strong hand trade wise to simply hold your ground especially when Adelaide/Gold Coast are his options thereafter if no trade was done

 

[deck]

Cause and effect.

The unfavourable media the club is getting caused by the club having made snide suggestions to try to paint Treloar as the problem, and leaving him swinging in the breeze for weeks since. Nobody bought into the first part, and the second has created widespread revulsion.

Unfavourable media doesn't always get to where it is most deserved. On this occasion, it has.

Maybe I don't read enough media these days. But from the time it was reported his partner had signed with the Firebirds and the rumors started it had a very anti Collingwood spin on things. I'm not sure any of that was coming from a club perspective. Outside of a mention that he was difficult to coach I'm not sure anything else reported could be called character assassination.

In the end with the club still on the hook for $4.5 million I'm not sure sharing bad character faults is a good way to shop a player to other clubs for maximum value.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Simple answer. Because in Plan A $900k of salary cap space is taken up, whilst in Plan B only $300k of cap space is taken up.

Yeah but you have a player worth $600k to balance the equation. I think that was the OPs point.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Trying to remember another club treating one of their star players so badly as the Pies have Treloar here.

If he had been sent home for a hub violation or something I could understand, but...just nothing unprofessional off-field, nor any indication that he has given anything less than 100% on field.