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[jmac70]

I'm an atheist

Except for Hell for Sidey

What would his hell look and feel like?

 

[jmac70]

He'd be right at home there.

I think heaven would be a better punishment for sidey. Having to deal with kind people, puritans and smiley faced ignorants would destroy him.

No wonder he hates me so much.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

He'd be right at home there.

I think heaven would be a better punishment for sidey. Having to deal with kind people, puritans and smiley faced ignorants would destroy him.

True

And he'd be the only lawyer

 

[sr36]

What’s the effect size?

Usually about 6 inches.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

What would his hell look and feel like?

I'm a traditionalist

Hell would be sulphur, gnashing of teeth, John Elliott naked...

 

[sideswipe]

Beyond reasonable doubt. No-one is 'guilty' in a civil case like this.

If Cleaver was to have found to be slanderous with the allegations made against Kelly and CFC then no doubt he would be pursued for damages in return.

Careful with the terminology. It's balance of probabilities, not BRD in civil matters.

And your second paragraph is nonsense. The term slander, which is verbal, doesn't exist anymore in Australia. And companies, like CFC, can't be defamed. Allegations in a claim are not going to constitute defamatory material against the defendant.

 

[jmac70]

I'm a traditionalist

Hell would be sulphur, gnashing of teeth, John Elliott naked...

Also must involve stakes and bottoms. Especially for Sidey.

 

[sideswipe]

I'm a traditionalist

Hell would be sulphur, gnashing of teeth, John Elliott naked...

Carlton winning flags daily, equality for all, no ability to discriminate against others. It really would be hell.

 

[domus]

Beyond reasonable doubt. No-one is 'guilty' in a civil case like this.

If Cleaver was to have found to be slanderous with the allegations made against Kelly and CFC then no doubt he would be pursued for damages in return.

The words racist and sexist have long lost their sting when they are thrown about like confetti. I don't believe Craig Kelly is a racist nor do I believe the club would defend him if they thought there was any merit in the accusation given the lengths the club has gone to in order to make amends for allegations of past wrongs.

 

[HFF]

Love the way Browne speaks.
He was the right man to take over and lead the club.

 

[Tadpole]

Usually about 6 inches.

Thank goodness it’s not 12 inches, otherwise it would be a foot.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Careful with the terminology. It's balance of probabilities, not BRD in civil matters.

And your second paragraph is nonsense. The term slander, which is verbal, doesn't exist anymore in Australia. And companies, like CFC, can't be defamed. Allegations in a claim are not going to constitute defamatory material against the defendant.

Kelly could be personally defamed couldn't he? And yes - my bad, I did mean balance of probabilities.

 

[sideswipe]

Kelly could be personally defamed couldn't he? And yes - my bad, I did mean balance of probabilities.

Simply put, no.

 

[jmac70]

Assuming the club could try and settle with Cleaver before court.

 

[Bell Ringer]

I wanted to know how he landed such a good job in the first place. I will have read up about his credentials.

HR saw the opp to tick 3 boxes with 1 salary and couldn't resist.

 

[soreplums]

For me, the “Get this done to get Browne and Sizer off my back” bit sounds a bit too specific to not be true. There’s nothing illegal about that bit, but IMO would be poor leadership. Surely there would be far more suitable and effective ways to get somebody to set up a safe cultural space than simply “Do this to get the board off my back”?

Maybe this wasn’t the first of those conversations and there has been little action since the last time they spoke about it?

 

[chestbrah]

Assuming the club could try and settle with Cleaver before court.

If there is no wrongdoing I would be vehemently against the club parting with a single dollar.

 

[JuniorB]

What would his hell look and feel like?

 

[No SPIN]

Assuming the club could try and settle with Cleaver before court.

It’s catch 22 - settle and you’re painted as guilty.
Go to court because you’re confident of the strength of your case, and then win - but face lengthy trial by media in the interim.
No easy decisions.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Assuming the club could try and settle with Cleaver before court.

His lawyers also wants premiership points stripped from the club. Would you be happy with that, particularly if we were to make finals?

For something which happened between 2 employees which had nothing to do with our onfield performances?

 

[Pistol Night]

Way to ruin a club legends 400th ya HS ****wits

 

[jathanas]

Way to ruin a club legends 400th ya HS ****wits

I just came here to post this.

It's very easy to be cynical about the timing. Unpalatable work by the HS and they have form. Pr*cks.

 

[Couch Coach]

Assuming the club could try and settle with Cleaver before court.

No.

Two reasons to settle:

• You did something wrong
• To prevent bad media

The bad media has come out so it's too late.

 

[Marching]

Craig McRae

Craig Mcrae

Age

51

Ht

176cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.9

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.2

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.4

5star

tells his story on the FutureLab longevity Podcast. Gets interviewed by Trevor Hendy the Australian Ironman.

Episode 04: Leading with Purpose ft. Craig McRae

In this episode the FutureLab crew interview Craig McRae, the head coach of the Collingwood Football Club. McRae shares his journey and insights, highlighting the integration of science and emotional intelligence to enhance team performance and culture. He focuses on creating a winners-only...

melrosefuturelab.com

Really interesting! You’ve got a ripping coach.

 

[Couch Coach]

Mark Cleaver complaint:
"Kelly allegedly spoke to Cleaver and grabbed their hand to forcefully squeeze it. The tight grip caused Cleaver significant pain because of multiple sclerosis, the court documents claim.
Cleaver says they struggled to extricate their hand from Kelly."

Mark Cleaver Artist:
"With my MS I’ve got parathesis in both hands, which means that I've got no feeling at all,.."

Mark Cleaver on creating Indigenous artwork ‘Luwaytini’

We spoke to RMIT student Mark Cleaver on creating his Indigenous artwork ‘Luwaytini’.

www.rmit.edu.au

Question:
How do you have significant pain in your hand when you have no feeling at all?