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[Jafo]

No.

Two reasons to settle:

• You did something wrong
• To prevent bad media

The bad media has come out so it's too late.

Do you think the Rioli & Co vs Clarko/Fagan/Burt case will be settled out of court?

 

[PieBeast]

Mark Cleaver complaint:
"Kelly allegedly spoke to Cleaver and grabbed their hand to forcefully squeeze it. The tight grip caused Cleaver significant pain because of multiple sclerosis, the court documents claim.
Cleaver says they struggled to extricate their hand from Kelly."

Mark Cleaver Artist:
"With my MS I’ve got parathesis in both hands, which means that I've got no feeling at all,.."

Mark Cleaver on creating Indigenous artwork ‘Luwaytini’

We spoke to RMIT student Mark Cleaver on creating his Indigenous artwork ‘Luwaytini’.

www.rmit.edu.au

Question:
How do you have significant pain in your hand when you have no feeling at all?

Hallelujah!!!

All praise Saint Kelly the Healer of Carringbiush!!!

 

[76woodenspooners]

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It’s catch 22 - settle and you’re painted as guilty.

Not necessarily. No fault settlements where the terms are kept confidential happen all the time.

 

[HoraceStrasbork]

Carlton winning flags daily, equality for all, no ability to discriminate against others. It really would be hell.

Gonna spew at that first bit. Can’t even repeat it

 

[Couch Coach]

Do you think the Rioli & Co vs Clarko/Fagan/Burt case will be settled out of court?

Not with Clarko or Fagan because any settlement would have to acknowledge that they caused some harm and that would be the end of any AFL employment.

 

[sideswipe]

Not with Clarko or Fagan because any settlement would have to acknowledge that they caused some harm and that would be the end of any AFL employment.

Depends on the terms of settlement which usually contain no admission of fault and the terms confidential.

 

[76woodenspooners]

No.

Two reasons to settle:

• You did something wrong
• To prevent bad media

A third reason to settle:

• It might cost more in time, money and hassle to defend it versus settling.

That’s not just legal fees, but also the CEO’s time, general counsel’s time, Board’s time, opportunity cost of that time being spent for more useful activities. The club have already appointed consultants to advise on this and they don’t come cheap.

 

[HoraceStrasbork]

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Raise you this

 

[black is White]

Beyond reasonable doubt. No-one is 'guilty' in a civil case like this.

If Cleaver was to have found to be slanderous with the allegations made against Kelly and CFC then no doubt he would be pursued for damages in return.

I don't think the pies will seek damages. You know the crows that's already convinced they're guilty couldn't handle a 2 way street.

 

[cfc19902010]

If there is no wrongdoing I would be vehemently against the club parting with a single dollar.

Definitely

Settlement can also imply some form of acknowledgement

 

[cfc19902010]

Hallelujah!!!

All praise Saint Kelly the Healer of Carringbiush!!!

Saint Kelly has reformed his ways from pinching Jason dunstall

 

[JLC]

If there is no wrongdoing I would be vehemently against the club parting with a single dollar.

I also think it is disgusting that supporters faces were used in photos used by the paper.

This is not a fan related incident.

 

[black is White]

Mark Cleaver complaint:
"Kelly allegedly spoke to Cleaver and grabbed their hand to forcefully squeeze it. The tight grip caused Cleaver significant pain because of multiple sclerosis, the court documents claim.
Cleaver says they struggled to extricate their hand from Kelly."

Mark Cleaver Artist:
"With my MS I’ve got parathesis in both hands, which means that I've got no feeling at all,.."

Mark Cleaver on creating Indigenous artwork ‘Luwaytini’

We spoke to RMIT student Mark Cleaver on creating his Indigenous artwork ‘Luwaytini’.

www.rmit.edu.au

Question:
How do you have significant pain in your hand when you have no feeling at all?

Seems I'll be winning my bet sooner rather than later.

 

[JLC]

So this has been reviewed by multiple third parties including the Police......interesting.

Where were A Current Affair on his list? or would The Project have been first?

But Kudos for your first proper job to be meeting with the CEO that often in the first 6 months. That is exceptional really.

 

[The Phantom]

What is woke an abbreviation of?

Doesn't take the originally meaning away for me.

I’ve always assumed it’s the present continuous form of awakened in the context of enlightened.

As in people that consider minorities and their needs thoughtful are awakened and enlightened. Whereas those who do not are in the dark and out of date.

Personally, I’m woke on the outside and a dinosaur on the inside. You have to be these days.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Personally, I’m woke on the outside and a dinosaur on the inside. You have to be these days.

What a load of codswallop. Look at that Avatar with that cute doggie. You're a mush ball

 

[NMBB]

....Personally, I’m woke on the outside and a dinosaur on the inside. You have to be these days.

Very wise - you obviously adapt to your environment with alacrity and skill

 

[JLC]

There is a video on the club website (6 weeks in) where he talks about having a bias before joining a football club lol

Then talks about how amazing everyone is.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Scenario:-

Kelly: "I just want to be CEO, manage the joint and get it rocking so we win premierships"
Board: "We need to be seen to be a progressive and powerful club, able to negotiate the current climate"
President: "I want to preside over a club that has great success"
Coach: "I need to have clear headspace and the trust of the players"
...
Cleaver: "I've been hired to implement a positive indigenous culture"
Fan: "I just want to win Premierships"

No-one is wrong here. All anyone ever wants is what their heart wants. What's terrible is when those things clash, or those aims don't align with the other aims, or people just don't care about the other thing. That goes all the way across that list.

I've heard all sides now and I can honestly say I don't want anyone in that list to miss out. This situation is shit.

 

[MagpieJo]

Do we know he was sacked? (As opposed to leaving of his own accord)

Yes

Not sure if the reasons out there but it’s a steeler

 

[Capital Magpie]

Assuming the club could try and settle with Cleaver before court.

Browne's interview would suggest otherwise - he indicated that the club intends to defend its actions in court. He said that to date the public has only heard the complainant's side of things, and he asked people not to judge what's happened until the club's side of the story becomes public. To me, he sounded very confident of a favourable outcome for CFC.

 

[sr36]

What a load of codswallop. Look at that Avatar with that cute doggie. You're a mush ball

He's showing his true colours. Unless you've got a mongrel, you're breedist.

Edit: Apologies for using the slur mongrel

 

[The Phantom]

Yes

Not sure if the reasons out there but it’s a steeler

Oh come on.
You’ve let the Genie out of the bottle.

Do tell?
Or at least DM me.

 

[Antz]

Oh come on.
You’ve let the Genie out of the bottle.

Do tell?
Or at least DM me.

Who knows who to believe.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

The longer this drags out, the less tenable it is to keep Kelly in his role without constant scrutiny.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the stress associated with this allegation leads to him taking a leave of absence.