Collingwood set new home attendance record

[gaelictiogar]

Interesting to see plenty of Huff and Puff from the tiger fans considering that they are coming off a weekend where they drew less than 25,000 to a game at the MCG that decided whether they will play finals in 2008.

In comparable circs at home to WA and SA over 2002 to 2007 we were over 4,000 a game ahead of the Blues hawker. if you were bottomn 2 year on year the Blues would be way ahead of you. Work it out.

The freo game did not decide. The Crows game did. and anyway what is a supporter of a nothing club moaning about us for. we have a better head to head V you, more flags and when comparable onfield 10,000 home fanns a year more then you. Care to remind us of your home crowds v freo when you were not in the 8? I'll tell you they were mid teen

ridiculous little club with a decent team papering over the reality of tinyness

 

[Longy413]

 

[Smell The Glove]

In comparable circs at home to WA and SA over 2002 to 2007 we were over 4,000 a game ahead of the Blues hawker. if you were bottomn 2 year on year the Blues would be way ahead of you. Work it out.

The freo game did not decide. The Crows game did. and anyway what is a supporter of a nothing club moaning about us for. we have a better head to head V you, more flags and when comparable onfield 10,000 home fanns a year more then you. Care to remind us of your home crowds v freo when you were not in the 8? I'll tell you they were mid teen

ridiculous little club with a decent team papering over the reality of tinyness

Despite the fact nearly every Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon supporter considers your club a joke and Hawthorn a part of the "Big 4" group ahead of you.

Hilarious

 

[gaelictiogar]

Despite the fact nearly every Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon supporter considers your club a joke and Hawthorn a part of the "Big 4" group ahead of you.

Hilarious

4,000+ per game ahead of you V WA and SA opposition when neighbours on the ladder little man.

laugh all you like but fact is that in the basemant V WA and SA we were 20% ahead of you. fact is we outdraw you 8 of the past 13 seasons. Laugh all you like but Richmond > Carlton > hawks V WA and SA when consistently poor onfield. FACT.

 

[Hawkk]

Bombers won't reach it. They have been at their very peak on the back of 25 years of greatness. Hawthorn are close to their peak right now. Richmond and Carlton are the clubs who may catch the Pies in 2-3 years

Spot on.

I mean we couldn't possibly play Essendon or Carlton twice a season, let alone at the MCG could we

I'm sure if we win a flag, we'd probably drop a few thousand based on this flawless logic.

 

[Hawkk]

given that richmond usually outdraw you they must have outdistanced us both then or are you hiding behind judd as they are behind second in the ladder?

Richmond = Carlton

Both >>> Hawthorn.

that is the evidence of ALL I repeat ALL history when comparing apples with apples and neighbours in the ladder. EG wen neighbouring on the ladder in the past 6 years richmond outdrew you by only about 1,200 a game on average.

Logic suggests otherwise

Melb based attendances for season 2008

*Carlton 51,673 (Playing Hawthorn once at TD, around 55% of games at MCG)
Hawthorn 49,340 (Playing Carlton, Essendon once at the TD, 72% of games at MCG)
Richmond 46,120 (70% of games at the MCG)

So based on this season;

Carlton >>> Hawthorn >>> Richmond

Carlton's Melbourne based crowds are capped somewhat by playing around 45% of games at the TD (compared to Hawthorn and Richmond, both running at 30%)

Carlton-Hawthorn meet once this season (sellout at the TD) In contrast Richmond and Carlton have met twice, both at the MCG, in fact Richmond have played Collingwood (once), Carlton (twice) and Essendon (twice) all at the MCG, inflating their numbers

4,000+ per game ahead of you V WA and SA opposition when neighbours on the ladder little man.

laugh all you like but fact is that in the basemant V WA and SA we were 20% ahead of you. fact is we outdraw you 8 of the past 13 seasons. Laugh all you like but Richmond > Carlton > hawks V WA and SA when consistently poor onfield. FACT.

It certainly a coverted title, well done

 

[serenityNow]

Interesting little stat from the years 2002 to 2007 when richmond were 15th overall and Carlton 16th - neighbours on the ladder and all things being equal expected to draw similarly.

Both at home V the 4 WA and SA teams

Richmond. Aggregate over 15 games 358,589 average c. 23,900
Carlton. Aggregate 252,444 over 13 games average .19,600.

This is when the clubs were as comparable as it is possible to be. One the worst in footy the other the second worst. Neither ever troubling the capacity at whatever ground they played. Richmond over 4,000 a game ahead.

doubtless the pleading will begin but in comparable form and at home to the 4 clubs that have never played VFL Richmond 4,000 plus ahead. A bit of hope with Judd pushes Carlton up to 50,000 a year. What would it do for a club whose core suppport is 20% bigger?

I've always said that Carlton = Richmond but clearly they lag far behind and only their draw advantage kept them within 1,300 a game of us during those years of thruth when they learned what it was like to be richmond.

You really are a fool.

You are losing whatever cred you had with every post you make.


WHERE WERE CARLTON PLAYING THESE WA AND SA TEAMS IN 02? 03?04?05?


This year....BOTH TEAMS HALF A GAME APART.
BOTH IMPROVING ON FIELD......

Carlton vs..
Hawthorn... Will set another TD record this week---->Richmond 44k
Bulldogs ...37k (only time we play them) ---->Richmond 37k both doggie home games.
Geelong... 46k TD (only time we played) ----> Richmond 37k TD
Sydney.... 38k+ TD----> Richmond, no melbourne game.
Brisbane ...38k+ TD-----> Richmond 31k TD Big difference here.
Frematle ...29k TD-----> Richmond 24k MCG
P.Adelaide ..29k+ TD----> Richmond , no melbourne game
Adelaide....41k+ MCG ---->Richmond 32k MCG anbother big difference (a wet saturday too)
Melbourne... 44k+ MCG--->Richmond 27k MCG Big difference here.
Kangaroos... 43k+ TD --- >Richmond 39k MCG
Stkilda.... .....55k+ MCG--- >Richmond 40k TD Big difference here (it was a cold friday night too)
Collingwood... 78K ---->Richmond 70k
Essendon .....59k -- > Richmond 56k


Carlton 2008 ave home attendance ...48,552 with a game to come
Richmond 2008 ave home attendance..43,545 with 4 extra MCG games


Do you notice a trend?

No?


We have OUTDRAWN Richmond in every Home game this year.


Richmond 2008 MCG home games.....9
Carlton 2008 MCG home games.....5

Plus this weeks game at the TD would have drawn a hell of a lot more people had it been at the G.....and dont use the buddy factor (yes it helps) but last yaer we sold out the dome along with the Hawks.


As has been said Carlton NOW away from PP and in a competitive season will outdraw Richmond.
Crowd figures from 30 years ago mean nothing today....Take the Hawks outta Tassie and Richmond would not be 4th on the attendance list.

To suggest that Richmond is a sleeping giant awakeing and there figures will match Collingwoods is nothing more then wishful thinking.
No evidence to back it.
The giant died years ago.....while the tigers sat in the bottome 4 for the great majority of the last 26 years other sides were enjoying premierships and sustained success at the top of the ladder. This means teams built on there supporter base. Just look at Hawthorn....or Carlton and essendons junior membership numbers.

Your membership numbers reflect where richmond is at. You can still pull a decent crowd but the days of old are over. Hawthorn is ahead of richmond in all aspects.

 

[Madtiger2006]

You really are a fool.

You are losing whatever cred you had with every post you make.


WHERE WERE CARLTON PLAYING THESE WA AND SA TEAMS IN 02? 03?04?05?


This year....BOTH TEAMS HALF A GAME APART.
BOTH IMPROVING ON FIELD......

Carlton vs..
Hawthorn... Will set another TD record this week---->Richmond 44k
Bulldogs ...37k (only time we play them) ---->Richmond 37k both doggie home games.
Geelong... 46k TD (only time we played) ----> Richmond 37k TD
Sydney.... 38k+ TD----> Richmond, no melbourne game.
Brisbane ...38k+ TD-----> Richmond 31k TD Big difference here.
Frematle ...29k TD-----> Richmond 24k MCG
P.Adelaide ..29k+ TD----> Richmond , no melbourne game
Adelaide....41k+ MCG ---->Richmond 32k MCG anbother big difference (a wet saturday too)
Melbourne... 44k+ MCG--->Richmond 27k MCG Big difference here.
Kangaroos... 43k+ TD --- >Richmond 39k MCG
Stkilda.... .....55k+ MCG--- >Richmond 40k TD Big difference here (it was a cold friday night too)
Collingwood... 78K ---->Richmond 70k
Essendon .....59k -- > Richmond 56k


Carlton 2008 ave home attendance ...48,552 with a game to come
Richmond 2008 ave home attendance..43,545 with 4 extra MCG games


Do you notice a trend?

No?


We have OUTDRAWN Richmond in every Home game this year.


Richmond 2008 MCG home games.....9
Carlton 2008 MCG home games.....5

Plus this weeks game at the TD would have drawn a hell of a lot more people had it been at the G.....and dont use the buddy factor (yes it helps) but last yaer we sold out the dome along with the Hawks.


As has been said Carlton NOW away from PP and in a competitive season will outdraw Richmond.
Crowd figures from 30 years ago mean nothing today....Take the Hawks outta Tassie and Richmond would not be 4th on the attendance list.

To suggest that Richmond is a sleeping giant awakeing and there figures will match Collingwoods is nothing more then wishful thinking.
No evidence to back it.
The giant died years ago.....while the tigers sat in the bottome 4 for the great majority of the last 26 years other sides were enjoying premierships and sustained success at the top of the ladder. This means teams built on there supporter base. Just look at Hawthorn....or Carlton and essendons junior membership numbers.

Your membership numbers reflect where richmond is at. You can still pull a decent crowd but the days of old are over. Hawthorn is ahead of richmond in all aspects.

You're thick
Why were the Blues averaging only 40,000 last year?
Why are they averaging 48,500 now? Well you can add 5,000 because of Judd arriving. The other 3,500 comes down to expectation of success and winning 10 games. I'd love to see how much smaller your crowds and memberships would be with a record like ours since the early 80s lol. You'd probably be averaging only 40,000 this year. There would be a few thousand of your current supporters who would be sitting at home expecting yet another painfull loss or wondering what the purpose of going was if you're going to finish outside the 8 once again. Tiger fans need alot more convincing than your typical spoilt Carlton/Essendon supporter

 

[serenityNow]

You're thick
Why were the Blues averaging only 40,000 last year?
Why are they averaging 48,500 now? Well you can add 5,000 because of Judd arriving. The other 3,500 comes down to expectation of success and winning 10 games. I'd love to see how much smaller your crowds and memberships would be with a record like ours since the early 80s lol. You'd probably be averaging only 40,000 this year. There would be a few thousand of your current supporters who would be sitting at home expecting yet another painfull loss or wondering what the purpose of going was if you're going to finish outside the 8 once again. Tiger fans need alot more convincing than your typical spoilt Carlton/Essendon supporter

Thick? You and your Richmond mates are the Thick ones.

WE HAVE IMPROVED FROM 4 WINS TO 10 Hence bigger crowds. After 6 years of shit results our fans are actually seeing carlton winning games.....thats why people come. If carlton were losing every week by some margin (as they had for the last 6 years)even with Judd.......are figures would not have changed from prior years.

Whats your membership at ?

Richmond supporters can sit there and talk about the sleeping giant crap....but noone believes it except them. its laughable.

Oh and keep comparing your figures from years ago to Carltons....we played at Princes Park and you played at the MCG.....but whatever helps your cause.

Collingwood,Essendon,Carlton>>Hawthorn>>>>>Richmond,Geelong

 

[serenityNow]

You're thick
Why were the Blues averaging only 40,000 last year?
Why are they averaging 48,500 now? Well you can add 5,000 because of Judd arriving. The other 3,500 comes down to expectation of success and winning 10 games. I'd love to see how much smaller your crowds and memberships would be with a record like ours since the early 80s lol. You'd probably be averaging only 40,000 this year. There would be a few thousand of your current supporters who would be sitting at home expecting yet another painfull loss or wondering what the purpose of going was if you're going to finish outside the 8 once again. Tiger fans need alot more convincing than your typical spoilt Carlton/Essendon supporter

Might also add that Carlton posted a record membership level last year of 35k+. and that was before judd

Nearly 40k this year (new record)

all that after 6 years of cellar dwelling.

Wheres richmonds membership at?

dont the Kangaroos have more then a so called sleeping giant and a so called big 4 member?


Richmond....after 26 years were still laughing.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Richmond supporters can sit there and talk about the sleeping giant crap....but noone believes it except them. its laughable.

Well we're the only ones who would know. So you really shouldn't be laughing because you won't be in 2 years

 

[Madtiger2006]

Might also add that Carlton posted a record membership level last year of 35k+. and that was before judd

Nearly 40k this year (new record)

all that after 6 years of cellar dwelling.

Wheres richmonds membership at?

dont the Kangaroos have more then a so called sleeping giant and a so called big 4 member?


Richmond....after 26 years were still laughing.

6 years of cellar dwelling is nothing compared to us. It wouldn't take much for a Carlton supporter to buy a membership last year. Oh yeah, we have about 9,000 non ticketed members. A good portion of those pay over $100 as a Richmond mcc member. So we proabaly have the equivalent of 35,000 ticketed members

 

[Hawkk]

In comparable circs at home to WA and SA over 2002 to 2007 we were over 4,000 a game ahead of the Blues hawker. if you were bottomn 2 year on year the Blues would be way ahead of you. Work it out.

The freo game did not decide. The Crows game did. and anyway what is a supporter of a nothing club moaning about us for. we have a better head to head V you, more flags and when comparable onfield 10,000 home fanns a year more then you. Care to remind us of your home crowds v freo when you were not in the 8?

Care to remind us how long ago those games actually were, not to mention your recent exploits against Fremantle.

Seem to remember a 17,000 in there, maybe even a 16,000 the week after Jack Dyer died against Port as well

FWIW, when was the last time Richmond drew 40,000 to a game in Melbourne against Fremantle, when was the last time they drew a semi respectable crowd to any game not involving a Victorian club?

ridiculous little club with a decent team papering over the reality of tinyness

Right, the same little club that has a ridiculous amount more members then you, has drawn more to you in every like for like Victorian based game this season, by some margin (as SerintyNow pointed out, so have Carlton by even more, despite playing home games at the TD) has the capacity to actually generate million dollar profits, has more junior members and actually has a major sponsor for next season.

How is that going finding a sponsor for next season by the way, you’d think the sponsors would be lining up to jump on the ‘Sleeping Giants’ train?

The reality is that your club is a declining cash strapped basketcase whose only claim to fame in recent years has been to recruit soft outside recievers like Tambling who thus far has only a trip to Canberra begging to the federal government for grants in order to develop your cripping facilities, making his investment worthwhile.

*MCC Estimate for the Melbourne-Richmond game: 32,000

 

[Madtiger2006]

Care to remind us how long ago those games actually were, not to mention your recent exploits against Fremantle.

Seem to remember a 17,000 in there, maybe even a 16,000 the week after Jack Dyer died against Port as well

FWIW, when was the last time Richmond drew 40,000 to a game in Melbourne against Fremantle, when was the last time they drew a semi respectable crowd to any game not involving a Victorian club?

when have we had enough success to get a crowd of 40,000 against freo? Please tell me . When we get success we will get 40,000 against freo. When I say success, I don't mean 7 years of cellar dwelling followed by a finals appearance then followed by another crap year.

 

[Hawkk]

when have we had enough success to get a crowd of 40,000 against freo? Please tell me . When we get success we will get 40,000 against freo. When I say success, I don't mean 7 years of cellar dwelling followed by a finals appearance then followed by another crap year.

To paraphrase, you get semi decent crowd averages because half of your Melbourne based games are heavily inflated playing Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton twice a year at the MCG but draw clearly inferior numbers against the rest.

In summary your argument is that you drew big crowds 25-30 years ago (much like Melbourne 45-50 years ago) which evidently have declined since, but still have the capacity to draw those numbers without any evidence to support such a claim. Clearly you haven’t lost young supporters thanks to your decades of crapness, even though your numbers in the 21st century are clearly inferior to others. Not to mention the rise of clubs like Hawthorn and Essendon in the 80s and 90s and subsequant increased levels of support that came as a result of their success.

One of your supporters explanation for this is Manchester United supposed baron run from 1965-1985 (which included a European Cup and 3 FA Cups) obviously the said supporter ignored the fact that Manchester United shares a city of 8-10m with just one other major club (not 10 clubs among 3-4m) the rise of the Ferguson lead Manchester United sides of the 1990’s coincided with the Premier Leagues expansion into Asia and the fact that Old Trafford is comfortably the biggest football stadium in the Premier League.

When Richmond can win 8 titles in 20 years, become the most successful club in the AFL AND the AFL becomes a huge hit in Asia and Europe, then a comparison might stand, otherwise it’s a ridiculous comparison.

Ask most non football followers and they know exactly who Collingwood (Eddie Everywhere, supporter base, losing grand finals) Carlton (Ethnic support, mob connections, cheating the salary cap and premiership success, traditional rivalry with Collingwood) and Essendon (Sheedy) are, Richmond in comparison are clearly inadequate in brand recognition in comparison to Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon

 

[tazhawk]

Your membership numbers reflect where richmond is at. You can still pull a decent crowd but the days of old are over. Hawthorn is ahead of richmond in all aspects.

Spot on.

 

[Madtiger2006]

To paraphrase, you get semi decent crowd averages because half of your Melbourne based games are heavily inflated playing Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton twice a year at the MCG but draw clearly inferior numbers against the rest.

In summary your argument is that you drew big crowds 25-30 years ago (much like Melbourne 45-50 years ago) which evidently have declined since, but still have the capacity to draw those numbers without any evidence to support such a claim. Clearly you haven’t lost young supporters thanks to your decades of crapness, even though your numbers in the 21st century are clearly inferior to others. Not to mention the rise of clubs like Hawthorn and Essendon in the 80s and 90s and subsequant increased levels of support that came as a result of their success.

One of your supporters explanation for this is Manchester United supposed baron run from 1965-1985 (which included a European Cup and 3 FA Cups) obviously the said supporter ignored the fact that Manchester United shares a city of 8-10m with just one other major club (not 10 clubs among 3-4m) the rise of the Ferguson lead Manchester United sides of the 1990’s coincided with the Premier Leagues expansion into Asia and the fact that Old Trafford is comfortably the biggest football stadium in the Premier League.

When Richmond can win 8 titles in 20 years, become the most successful club in the AFL AND the AFL becomes a huge hit in Asia and Europe, then a comparison might stand, otherwise it’s a ridiculous comparison.

Ask most non football followers and they know exactly who Collingwood (Eddie Everywhere, supporter base, losing grand finals) Carlton (Ethnic support, mob connections, cheating the salary cap and premiership success, traditional rivalry with Collingwood) and Essendon (Sheedy) are, Richmond in comparison are clearly inadequate in brand recognition in comparison to Collingwood, Carlton and Essendon

When we play the pies, blues, bombers, we usually get 30,000 out of a 70,000 crowd. 5 years ago we would have got 50/50 at least. We are only 1 finals series away from getting 50/50 in those games. Everyone is scared of the sleeping giant. It's plain obvious

 

[markjjj]

When we play the pies, blues, bombers, we usually get 30,000 out of a 70,000 crowd. 5 years ago we would have got 50/50 at least. We are only 1 finals series away from getting 50/50 in those games. Everyone is scared of the sleeping giant. It's plain obvious

You are surely the biggest knob in the history of bigfooty!

 

[Madtiger2006]

You are surely the biggest knob in the history of bigfooty!

Well that's quite interesting considering I'm telling the truth. Do you expect everyone to taking the soft lying tanking option? Go sing your boring theme song and put on that boring jumper

 

[gaelictiogar]

Well that's quite interesting considering I'm telling the truth. Do you expect everyone to taking the soft lying tanking option? Go sing your boring theme song and put on that boring jumper

To be faie madtiger i don't know what a blkuye is doing on a thred about support. In 2002/07 during 6 years down with us in the bottom 2 their core support levelled off at less than 20,000 per game VS WA and SA opposition and that after 7 years of finals in the previous 9. In contrrast after 2 finals in 26 years we were drawing 20% more VS SA and WA.

Carlton's embarrassingly poor core support is rivalled by the Hawthorn platoon.

 

[Hawkk]

To be faie madtiger i don't know what a blkuye is doing on a thred about support. In 2002/07 during 6 years down with us in the bottom 2 their core support levelled off at less than 20,000 per game VS WA and SA opposition and that after 7 years of finals in the previous 9. In contrrast after 2 finals in 26 years we were drawing 20% more VS SA and WA.

Carlton's embarrassingly poor core support is rivalled by the Hawthorn platoon.

Incidentally both have higher peaks then Richmond in the upturn and both have clearly superior membership bases win or lose.

 

[serenityNow]

Incidentally both have higher peaks then Richmond in the upturn and both have clearly superior membership bases win or lose.

Exactly.