List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022-->

[Anzacday]

Key dates attached so we know what’s going on when.

• Friday 30 September at 9.00am

• AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences

Monday 03 October at 9.00am

• AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm

• Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October

• AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
• AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

• AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections

Thursday 03 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
• AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

• AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

• 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
• Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

• AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
• 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

• AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
• AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

• Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Bianconeri]

There was some murmurs about us being interested in Aarts. Would be a nothing pick, but probably worthwhile.

I reckon McRae and Leppitsch would recognise the importance of building decent depth. Even if they are only break in case of emergency players.

I wouldn’t mind going for Sydney Stack for the same reason.

Our depth is still pretty bad at the moment beyond the top 24 or so players.

Stack I’d consider, we just got rid of Cal Brown don’t think we need to add a similar type in Aarts.

 

[KinderSmock]

Who answered it?

It wouldn't surprise me if you were right and they hadn't worded things very well. But let's just say it does go down the free agency route and Collingwood match but insist on clauses that he doesn't want to sign on to- won't he be able to not sign and just nominate for the draft - stipulating a standard contract. Thus rendering our matching pointless. We can't force behavioural clauses on him through the matching process - he either agrees to them, we change them or he plays somewhere else next year.

It was two days ago. I can't remember who answered but there was a good comment and it came from the AFL's website.

 

[slugger01]

It does, though. Matching is only concerned with financial terms. It's been asked on Reddit, too.

No. It concerns periods terms, $ and conditions.
Can’t match a $1m offer by saying that we will pay you exactly that as well, but the condition is you win the Brownlow, Copeland, Norm Smith and the AFL players award…, and you must be good.

 

[KinderSmock]

Stack I’d consider, we just got rid of Cal Brown don’t think we need to add a similar type in Aarts.

I'm cautious of Stack. He needs the right environment to thrive. Could be a Stengle (who has thrived from having Eddie Betts as a mentor) or could be a bust.

 

[Bianconeri]

I'm cautious of Stack. He needs the right environment to thrive. Could be a Stengle (who has thrived from having Eddie Betts as a mentor) or could be a bust.

I’d be cautious as well, but at least he has the talent to make it unlike Aarts.

 

[Pistol Night]

I’d be cautious as well, but at least he has the talent to make it unlike Aarts.

Has Shai Bolton like traits but getting his head in the game is the hard part

 

[peter9789]

But I think everyone is missing the point.. Cameron & Danger WANTED to change clubs, so even if the offers were matched, they still wanted to go, so a trade was organised.
DeGoey DOESN’T want to go, so if the offer from another club (without behaviour clauses) is matched by the Pies, there is no trade.. DeGoey signs the contract and stays. If not, he leaves as a free agent, and we get whatever the AFL give us as compo..

Correct - which means we get really nothing for him if we take McStay. If this were to eventuate we woule likely need to trade for McStay so we at least get some compensation. But the reality is if we match the Saints offer he would stay at the Pies. Quite the conundrum the club is facing

 

[sideswipe]

No. It concerns periods terms, $ and conditions.
Can’t match a $1m offer by saying that we will pay you exactly that as well, but the condition is you win the Brownlow, Copeland, Norm Smith and the AFL players award…, and you must be good.

No - the afl rules specify the matching elements- length, base payments, match payments, additional services, individual incentives.

By not referencing any other elements/terms, the matching is limited to the above.

However, I imagine that if we were to seek to match but with behavioural clauses included, it would be pretty simple to apply to the General Counsel to determine that the offers aren’t “matched” in reality. AFL rules allow for various discretions to be exercised by the GC. This would likely be one of those times.


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[Everybody Panic]

There's a lot of stereotyping around indigenous players in here. Gotta stop comparing every single indigenous player to Shai Bolton

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Shai Bolton

Age

25

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

.

 

[WakeUpPies]

There's a lot of stereotyping around indigenous players in here. Gotta stop comparing every single indigenous player to Shai Bolton.

Happens in every sport for minority groups. Every indigenous player we have will always cause Leon to be brought up. Every white player in the NBA is only compared to other white players regardless of the differences in playstyle etc. Nothing malicious but hilariously predictable.

 

[Everybody Panic]

Happens in every sport for minority groups. Every indigenous player we have will always cause Leon to be brought up. Every white player in the NBA is only compared to other white players regardless of the differences in playstyle etc. Nothing malicious but hilariously predictable.

Very predictable with game style, but it becomes destructive when there's judgements on players ability or willingness to dedicate to their professions.

 

[Apex36]

We won’t be giving up a first for Mitchell, everyone chill. And if we do, it will be pick swaps with minimal overall points change.

Give yourself an uppercut for mentioning points in a scenario where they’re irrelevant.

 

[satanshoof101]

There was some murmurs about us being interested in Aarts. Would be a nothing pick, but probably worthwhile.

I reckon McRae and Leppitsch would recognise the importance of building decent depth. Even if they are only break in case of emergency players.

I wouldn’t mind going for Sydney Stack for the same reason.

Our depth is still pretty bad at the moment beyond the top 24 or so players.

Ryan Collier Dawkins has shown a bit as a midfielder, feel like we could get him cheap

 

[Bianconeri]

Happens in every sport for minority groups. Every indigenous player we have will always cause Leon to be brought up. Every white player in the NBA is only compared to other white players regardless of the differences in playstyle etc. Nothing malicious but hilariously predictable.

Travis Varcoe managed to avoid this tbf.

 

[unplugged]

Surprised there hasn't been more media scrutiny over the fact that the AFL generously changed trading rules to assist with salary dumps, what... literally the day before it came out that GCS were offering Bowes and 7 for anyone who'd take on his own salary? What a leg up in order to shed salary and stay within the cap.

 

[WakeUpPies]

Travis Varcoe managed to avoid this tbf.

Read the welcome Travis Varcoe thread lol 4 mentions of Leon starting page 2 alone.

 

[Bianconeri]

Read the welcome Travis Varcoe thread lol 4 mentions of Leon starting page 2 alone.

After the first mention of Leon it’s quickly refuted that they’re not similar

 

[WakeUpPies]

After the first mention of Leon it’s quickly refuted that they’re not similar

If only they were more similar, we might have had an additional flag in 2011.

 

[Bianconeri]

If only they were more similar, we might have had an additional flag in 2011.

 

[Maison]

If GWS are asking any more than a 3rd rounders we should just take Narkle for free. Similar stats but Narkle averaged half the amount of game time.

Can't be handing over higher picks than the ones that got Lipinski or Kreuger

 

[Bianconeri]

If GWS are asking any more than a 3rd rounders we should just take Narkle for free. Similar stats but Narkle averaged half the amount of game time.

Can't be handing over higher picks than the ones that got Lipinski or Kreuger

Narkle and Hill aren’t comparable.

 

[Apex36]

Ryan Collier Dawkins has shown a bit as a midfielder, feel like we could get him cheap

By what metric has he showed a bit? He only managed 2 senior games this year in a Richmond side that was hit by constant injuries and was crying out for a big bodied mid.

 

[Everybody Panic]

If GWS are asking any more than a 3rd rounders we should just take Narkle for free. Similar stats but Narkle averaged half the amount of game time.

Can't be handing over higher picks than the ones that got Lipinski or Kreuger

Lol wtf? They don't play similar at all.

 

[Bramax]

Cameron constantly maintained that his preference was to stay at GWS but they lowballed him. Once he made the decision to accept Geelong’s offer, he kept his word to them, because that’s what people do. Once a player commits to a move, they don’t pull out of that commitment even with a matched offer, it just doesn’t happen.

You could be right but I think that may have been a bit of lip service by Cameron.

I did read it was very much a lifestyle decision for him and he took up to $200k less than other clubs may have been prepared to pay him.

 

[Bramax]

But I think everyone is missing the point.. Cameron & Danger WANTED to change clubs, so even if the offers were matched, they still wanted to go, so a trade was organised.
DeGoey DOESN’T want to go, so if the offer from another club (without behaviour clauses) is matched by the Pies, there is no trade.. DeGoey signs the contract and stays. If not, he leaves as a free agent, and we get whatever the AFL give us as compo..

Good summary. Not everyone is missing the point.