List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022-->

[Anzacday]

Key dates attached so we know what’s going on when.

• Friday 30 September at 9.00am

• AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences

Monday 03 October at 9.00am

• AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm

• Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October

• AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
• AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

• AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections

Thursday 03 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
• AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

• AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

• 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
• Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

• AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
• 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

• AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
• AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

• Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[stormskye]

With picks 16, 25 and 27? I mean they are terribly middling picks. We have already struck out big time 2 years ago. We had 5 picks inside 30- Poulter, McInness, Henry, Macrae and McMahon. That's the talent level you get in those picks. Getting lots of picks around those numbers is not good business.

So we should tank? We have pick 16 because we almost made a gf, not sure why that’s relevant tbh. My point is just wait till it’s all done before melting

 

[Scodog10]

Still have a conspiracy theory in regards to the Foxtel trade coverage on Wednesday between 530 and 730 last 2 hours i think?
How many people will actually tune in if all the major deals are done?
Will the AFL tell clubs be told by the powers too be to hold back.
Or all the deals are done paperwork wise but not mentioned officially until that time slot?

It isn’t that. There’d be a bunch of deals agreed in principal, but won’t be finalised until the big dominoes fall. For instance Frampton doesn’t move until Grundy and Henry do because the pick we send to Adelaide will probably come out of those deals or a pick swap resulting from other deals.

 

[JOELY]

Still have a conspiracy theory in regards to the Foxtel trade coverage on Wednesday between 530 and 730 last 2 hours i think?
How many people will actually tune in if all the major deals are done?
Will the AFL tell clubs be told by the powers too be to hold back.
Or all the deals are done paperwork wise but not mentioned officially until that time slot?

Not really a conspiracy theory, its an open directive from the AFL. They don't keep it a secret. The last couple of years on the final day you can't actually put deals in during the afternoon after a certain point. Listen to trade radio on Wednesday and they'll discuss it pretty openly.

 

[NMBB]

........ .discussions on each board are a lot like umpiring discussions. Almost every club is getting screwed and almost every club has a list manager who's not doing enough.

A lot of people don't realise how tough the job really is - it does help to check out BF for tips though

 

[Everybody Panic]

Both draft and trade. IMO, we’ve piss farted around at the draft and never properly invested so I wouldn’t mention the likes of McMahon and Kelly in that context. I’m talking more trading into the top 10 and drafting a King, Naughton, McDonald etc. easier said than done because I reckon the club has been gun shy on the big investment in a dud.

For trade it’s a lot more straight forward instead of investing $600k pa hold the line and throw $900k at JUH/ Naughton/ King. The trade always looks after itself.

We had the option of getting Naughton and chose someone else. Now your going the hope strategy. Don't improve your team because you might get McKay, oh wait, he's gone, so let's go Naughton. By my reckoning, in the last 10 years 3 elite key forwards have requested trades and 2 chose by location. We've played finals in 4 of the last 5 years so we're not getting the top 5 draft picks.

 

[regpies]

There's a lot of baffling decisions in this deal. Why would you get another top dollar full time ruck when Gawn is the best ruckman in the league and only two years older? Why would you want Gawn to spend more time forward where his output is much worse? Why wouldn't you fix your glaring deficiency and target an actual forward instead of trying to convert Gawn into one? Why are you ignoring the logical move which is FWD-Ruck Jackson for FWD-Ruck Lobb? And why the * are the Bulldogs chasing Lobb!?

I thought the same, Lobb wants to leave Freo for Melbourne, Jackson wants to go to Freo. They are like for like position players.

The Bulldogs have too many tall forwards, plus Darcy, why do they want Lobb as well.

 

[doofdoof]

Absolutely correct. It irks me when people say a pick will slide e.g 25 to 27 so it's worth less. It will only matter if points are an issue.
Same players are still available.

#27 is worth less because you can no longer choose to draft the players taken at #25 and #26.

Marginal, but still less

 

[gouki88]

There's a lot of baffling decisions in this deal. Why would you get another top dollar full time ruck when Gawn is the best ruckman in the league and only two years older? Why would you want Gawn to spend more time forward where his output is much worse? Why wouldn't you fix your glaring deficiency and target an actual forward instead of trying to convert Gawn into one? Why are you ignoring the logical move which is FWD-Ruck Jackson for FWD-Ruck Lobb? And why the * are the Bulldogs chasing Lobb!?

Yeah, completely baffling to me. It seems like a couple of teams are wilfully going away from what their strengths are...

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

So we should tank? We have pick 16 because we almost made a gf, not sure why that’s relevant tbh. My point is just wait till it’s all done before melting

If we are gonna lose Grundy and Henry then maybe do it for a pick higher than 25 and 27. Like losing them both for one pick around 12 isn't a great deal, but it's better than those picks.

 

[magpies42]

Don’t understand why we aren’t going after Conor McKenna. Bone fide A grader, stick on the half back flank and let Maynard and Crisp play more time on ball!

Looks like Geelong will ban him too, because they are smart!

 

[JLC]

#27 is worth less because you can no longer choose to draft the players taken at #25 and #26.

Marginal, but still less

Unlikely the player will be better than Henry. Unless it's used on say Tom Mitchell but then longevity is the issue.

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[Timmy from Thomastown]

#27 is worth less because you can no longer choose to draft the players taken at #25 and #26.

Marginal, but still less

Not really.

The two extra players taken to slide us lower will be academy and father son picks that aren’t available to us anyway. So we will still have the 25th “ live “ pick, assuming bids get matched as they almost always to at the pointy end of the draft.

 

[manicpie]

I rate this draft past 30. 25, 26 or 27 will get keeler, lemmey, hayes, weedle as talls and zubowski, , jones, D'aloia, ryan and burgiel.

 

[regpies]

Not really.

The two extra players taken to slide us lower will be academy and father son picks that aren’t available to us anyway. So we will still have the 25th “ live “ pick, assuming bids get matched as they almost always to at the pointy end of the draft.

It’s still the 27th pick, or 27th best talent. Later picks move up as points get used where you can have 45 become 40. But who cares that late in the draft.

 

[Gabbo64]

He’s made the choice on Grundy and Treloar’s either ends this year or next. The salary cap is going to explode over the next 7 years and these deals will become a drop in the ocean. IMO, the real game is now in output v cost and it’s why clubs move salaries these days. Think of it like NFL clubs maximising a QB’s rookie contract. The last thing you want is an average guy on massive $’s.

In 2022 Geelong paid $600k to 2 AA’s in Hawkins and Stengle and their CHB, De Koning, probably in a similar range. We had Daicos and Lipinski on low $’s with high impact. Next year I’m looking to Hill and Frampton who are both likely to be best 22 on lowish amounts with Frampton in particular hopefully filling a key role. McStay on the other hand will need to kick 50+ to fit in that category.

In the case of Grundy you just can’t carry a $1m player with $600k output. It’s a hard lesson for club and player, but one I hope we’re learning.

Oh FFS, can you stop talking reality so we can get back to dreamland.

 

[magpies42]

I think we need to write to the club and give them permission and promise that we wont meltdown if we let Henry walk to the PSD.

Only scenario I see working at the moment is Geelongs pick 7 for Henry and our first pick.

But I really think we should go for McKenna as well!

 

[Roverjg]

We also cleared Treloar's salary and Ned Guy was universally panned. If GW gets basically the same result with Grundy (who's a better player than Treloar) and Henry (who we're not trying to push out unlike Stephenson), you don't think we should be angry like we were with Ned Guy? Or should we revise how we think about Ned Guy's trade period horrendous trade period?

I like many of BF's posters were not upset with Treloar being moved on and understood the reasoning for it. What I did not like was after Treloar would not consider a move after the Pies first approach to him, instead of the club owning the ****-up and taking accountability for it people in authority such as Eddy, Walsh and Guy went into hiding. It fell onto Buckley (coach) told Treloar the players did not want him (Treloar reportedly has a recording of this). BF poster's felt at the time this would have a disasterous affect on morale and trust between the club/coach/ players. The next season the coach was replaced/left and the club finished 17th.

It has been reported that honest and forthright talks have been happening between the club and Grundy for the past 12 months. There is no similarity between Treloar's situation and Grundy's situation. One was a hatchet job without warning. The other was open and transparent. The one's that are angry now are because they do not know what has been discussed between the club and Grundy. This will not come out until after the trade is done and dusted.

 

[loki04]

If Henry kicks 50+ and leaves I think I'd cry into my beer

I can't remember where I read this (the Geelong board?) but someone who watches him closely says he's a young Dangerfield with less burst speed but much better disposal skills.

The “burst” of Dangerfield is what made him the coveted player he was.

 

[loki04]

Where are all our positivity flowers at the moment? Drenched by the rain? How dare people disagree with Wright, if he says 25 for Henry is a good deal, it must be. Besides, he has got something bigger planned. He is a genius.

That same genius was in charge of list management at hawks when they draft dodged for mature talents and sent Hawks into the wilderness before spiralling to the bottom of the ladder.

Having some level of questioning of those in charge is a healthy thing.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

So you don't think last year's effort where we had a zero draft position, but he managed to manouevre so well, that not only did we get plenty of points for Daicos, but we also had some late picks. From memery, our first pick was 36. Fair effort I would say. And what has he done wrong this year.

In Hill, McStay
Still have Henry
Getting Grundy off our books which stifles so much with that dumb contract. We may lose a very good player, but is ageing, injury prone now, and we didn't really miss him when he was out.

I think he's doing OK.

I repeat - I didn't say he had done a bad job, I just don't see that he has produced anything out of the ordinary this time around. As you say, he is doing OK. The test will be to see what he does with Henry and Grundy.

 

[Gabbo64]

#27 is worth less because you can no longer choose to draft the players taken at #25 and #26.

Marginal, but still less

Yeah agree. Imagine being left with a shit pick like 20. You can no longer draft players taken at 18 or 19. FMD

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

That same genius was in charge of list management at hawks when they draft dodged for mature talents and sent Hawks into the wilderness before spiralling to the bottom of the ladder.

Having some level of questioning of those in charge is a healthy thing.

Agreed. I was being facetious.

 

[Kappa]

I think we need to write to the club and give them permission and promise that we wont meltdown if we let Henry walk to the PSD.

Only scenario I see working at the moment is Geelongs pick 7 for Henry and our first pick.

But I really think we should go for McKenna as well!

Think there’s a Geelong falcons kids likely available at pick 7 that Geelong are frothing over…. They aren’t letting go of pick 7.

 

[12kilos]

I repeat - I didn't say he had done a bad job, I just don't see that he has produced anything out of the ordinary this time around. As you say, he is doing OK. The test will be to see what he does with Henry and Grundy.

Spot on mate Wright will be judged in this years trade period on what happens with Henry and Grundy.
Fiorini, Mitchel , Frampton to a lesser extent.
Lets talk the Henry trade
1. pick 25 we get screwed
2.Geelongs future first , acceptable you would just be content , you wouldnt go throw a party
3 pick 7 or if they split it we get 12 good deal for us. 7 especially Wright does a good job
Grundy
Different beast due too salary.
picks in the late 20s would be accepatable too me if were paying $100.000 maybe $150.000 at most.
$300.000 really should be a first rounder

Fiorini and Mitchel , sought off a salary dump from hawks or suns we shouldnt really be using more then our picks in 40s or 50s.
Frampton i believe we can get on the cheap

 

[JLC]

Think there’s a Geelong falcons kids likely available at pick 7 that Geelong are frothing over…. They aren’t letting go of pick 7.

The way it’s going they may as well just be given direct access to that zone. However have it exactly the same as the father son and academy picks - except unlike academy any pick can be bid against. At least that way they are paying closer to market value.

Then maybe have another measure on top of that.